Hagerup apologizes, admits it was weed.
He delivers a sincere apology for his mistake and it really sounds like he hopes to be back next year. I really like the part where he describes the coaches as nice people who aren't yelling at him but rather concerened with his well being. That's one of many signs of how great a coach Hoke is.
"Without offering details, Hagerup said he lapsed into "old habits" and blames no one but himself. He was suspended the first four games of 2011 for violating team rules, and missed the 2010 Ohio State game for the same reason."
"Hagerup has been meeting with the staff and said he hopes to meet again with Hoke today. Hagerup added there has been no "screaming or yelling" from the coaches, and they have had good discussions."
Link: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121218/SPORTS0201/212180333/1131/s…
December 18th, 2012 at 7:31 AM ^
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December 18th, 2012 at 8:08 AM ^
It's illegal because people think it will ruin your life. However, the only ways in which it ruins people's lives are the legal issues associated with getting caught with it.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:27 AM ^
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December 18th, 2012 at 10:06 AM ^
Been in corporate law with a large firm and large corporation for years. Just wanted to advise you not to switch to an in-house position and continue your current lifestyle. If so, you will definitely experience the adverse effect of drug use after your drug test comes back positive.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 AM ^
on the wrong high horse.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:09 AM ^
I guess so. Its a dumb discussion anyway. Hagerup broke a team rule (however stupid) and he got suspended. Plain and simple. Having a discussion about the merits of pot is pointless - both sides think they are right and won't budge in their opinion. FTR, I'm fine with people smoking pot. As long as it doesn't affect me, I couldn't care less.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:25 AM ^
December 18th, 2012 at 11:18 AM ^
But, don't forget, Bill Clinton never inhaled.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:36 AM ^
That is the purest truth.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:44 AM ^
I'm not one who bashes weed smokers, I know and associate with many. I have to ask you though...have you ever worked on a detox unit? I can tell you with absolute certainty that weed can negatively effect people lives in many more ways than just the legal ramifications. I'm not saying it is any better or worse than lots of other things out there, but to insinuate that the only way it ruins lives is through the legal issues that coincide with it is absurd. Again, I'm not judging anyone here, but that is just too far off base to let fly.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:03 AM ^
First of all, where does it say it was weed? All the article says is "Without offering details, Hagerup said he lapsed into 'old habits' and blames no one but himself. " We may suspect it was weed, and that may even be a good guess, but I don't see how we know that.
Re: the effects of weed, I think The Kings of Leon's bass player Jared Followil put it best:
"Marijuana is a gateway drug. It leads to sweatpants and Cheetos."
For the record, I don't smoke. But man people like to speak in sweeping generalizations about weed on a board that regularly publishes an "it's ___day, whatcha drinkin'?" post wherein tons of folks brag about their C2H50H fix for the night. And they do so w/o approbation from this board's members, even though we're all aware of the damage alcohol does in our society. (And for the record, I do drink socially.)
Re: Will H., I hope he gets his head on straight and puts this silliness behind him. If he was smoking weed, I hope he stops at least so long as he's on the team - that's selfish behavior, and self-destructive when you're a full scholarship athlete. I thought his apology was sincere and hopefully this shakes some sense into him. He's just 21, and has his whole life ahead of him.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:05 AM ^
This is not getting enough attention. It doesn't explicitly say it was weed. There's a pretty long discussion here based on speculation.
December 20th, 2012 at 11:23 PM ^
My friend ate a Marijuana once and gained 20 pounds. Shit kills, yo.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:34 AM ^
The rule he broke is irrelevant. It could be team policy to forbid jaywalking. If you break that policy three times, with notice that there will be indeniable proof if you break the policy, you don't deserve to be part of the team.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:07 AM ^
December 18th, 2012 at 8:17 AM ^
Seriously, if weed is more important to you then the Michigan football team then Hoke and Co should just boot him off the field already. Give him plenty of free time to smoke up with mommy and daddy paying for his school.
3 strikes is plenty. Obviously missing games is not punishment enough for this kid.
December 18th, 2012 at 8:27 AM ^
Michigan Football > weed
Get your head together Will. I realize in the city of A2 they think it's acceptable but it's still an illegal drug and doing any kind of illegal substance should be a dismissal. Bo kicked players off his team when he found about their pot smoking (per his book).
December 18th, 2012 at 9:57 AM ^
Like Rick Leach. Oh, wait...
December 18th, 2012 at 1:21 PM ^
Rick probably would have been better off if he had stopped at the MJ....
December 18th, 2012 at 8:37 AM ^
If you are a freshmen living in south quad and want to toke on a jibber....I say go for it. If you are a full ride scholar athlete with the opportunity of lifetime....you may want to hold off on that for at least 4 years.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:01 AM ^
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December 18th, 2012 at 8:52 AM ^
People that say weed only ruins your life because of the legal issues it causes are fucking nuts. I know plenty of people that can't stop fucking smoking weed and basically do nothing now besides that. Sure it should be legal, but like alcohol some people fucking abuse that shit man.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:15 AM ^
December 18th, 2012 at 10:00 AM ^
Regarding the team rules, they're the TEAM RULES. Everyone has to follow them, so no argument from me there. But regarding smoking pot, some people handle it well and some people don't. Some people can do it recreationally, and some people can't function without it. It isn't always harmless.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:07 AM ^
That explains this...
December 18th, 2012 at 9:09 AM ^
Ugh what the hell...Ya'll know what this gif is.
But can someone help me?
December 18th, 2012 at 12:36 PM ^
That's the first thing I thought of, too.
Team rules are team rules. Coach Hoke may have many reasons for setting them; it's not for us as fans to question his reasoning for them since we are not players who are bound by them.
The players, on the other hand, know the rules and presumably the consequences for not following them. Hagerup would actually know them better than most.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:00 AM ^
I find it very interesting that the comments between Floyd and Hagerup are vastly different.
A couple other thoughts:
---People are holding Hagerup to "3 strikes" and they're pissed. Yet many of them wanted Demar Dorsey on this team (a kid past 3 strikes and was bound to make more mistakes in college --- which he did, just not at Michigan)
---I didn't read anywhere where Hagerup pleaded to remain on the team or asked for sympathy. He just apologized. Why is everyone jumping down his throat for apologizing? I see all this "blah blah blah" stuff. I'm not sure just because you have a problem and mess up doesn't mean you can't apologize. Not saying you should get a break over the apology, but what's wrong with simply apologizing? What is he supposed to do? Say "fuck it, I'm a lost cause..." take is bong and walk into the sunset?
December 18th, 2012 at 10:14 AM ^
Are you seriously comparing the Will Hagerup issue to the Demar Dorsey issue?
December 20th, 2012 at 11:03 PM ^
Not sure how you can ask for forgiveness for DD and berate Hagerup.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:02 AM ^
When it comes to sitiations like this, I like to look at it from a parent point of view. What would I do if it was MY son who was the one in trouble? (NOTE: I'm the dad of a 19year old freshman at Michigan and a 17 year old daughter and I've coached kids for many years.)
Personally, in this case, if it were my son who just got suspended from the team for the third time, I'd be doing a lot more yelling than apparently the coaches did. I'd be furious that my son was so selfish (AGAIN) that he refused to think of his teammates before himself. I'd be disappointed in him and myself, but as Coach Hoke says, this is a learning moment. If he lost his spot on the team, I'd be sick to my stomach for him, but I'd also agree with the punishment.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:16 AM ^
What crap. Can we get around to leagalizing this stuff already and stop pretending its a big deal? There's no reason something as harmless and widely used as marijuana has to cause these sorts of problems for people. Save the punishments for truly immoral behavior.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:24 AM ^
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December 18th, 2012 at 10:14 AM ^
Heck, staying out late isn't against the law. Why are there team curfew rules???? Get rid of those too!
P.S. Marijuana is not "widely" used. I'd venture a guess that the number of users is less than 25% of the population, if even close to that percentage. In no corner of the world is that "wide use."
December 18th, 2012 at 10:22 AM ^
December 18th, 2012 at 11:12 AM ^
Makes sense to me. I'm not into using it but I'm not one to butt into other people's lives. To each their own. As long as it doesn't effect me I'm fine with it.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:37 AM ^
Marijuana (used by less than 25% of the population)
iPhones (ditto)
Makeup (used by less than half of the world's women and some men)
Oral contraceptives (used by less than half of the world's women)
Dermatologists (no way these are used by more than 25% of the population)
nytimes.com (ditto)
"Less than 25% of the population" is the dumbest metric for "widely used" I've ever heard of.
December 18th, 2012 at 11:04 AM ^
Cute. I used 25% because it seemed like a good number. Personally, I think its probably down around 5% but I was sure to get hammered for using that number too.
FTR, using percentages based on the world population is also dumb.
December 18th, 2012 at 1:28 PM ^
With very little difference shown in trends, annual usage is measured at over 10%, and monthly usage 5-6%. So no, it's not exactly like "everybody is doing it."
http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr4/2Usage.html
December 18th, 2012 at 3:08 PM ^
The point was that marijuana is widely used.
December 18th, 2012 at 9:17 AM ^
while 3 positive tests for weed get you temporarily suspended because:
A. The coaches are concerned he may be an addict and it's not his fault.
B. When he apologizes, he's sincere.
C. There isn't another all league punter on the roster for next year.
D. All of the above
December 18th, 2012 at 9:24 AM ^
December 18th, 2012 at 1:31 PM ^
Because if you're talking about what I think you're talking about, we all know there was more than that.
And I feel a lot better about our punter depth than our receiver depth, so I doubt C has anything to do with it. Whatever "it" is, because we're not finished yet.