be fun to see what Les can do with a legit big time Qb under center. Hasn't had one yet at LSU except for maybe Russell.
Gunner Kiel commits to LSU
Whoa...that seems like a pretty unsubstantiated statement. Miles and LSU have wasted PLENTY of QB talent since he's been the coach. Let's not let him off the hook that easily...
In 2003, Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn were both 4-star QBs, ranked #6 and #16, respectively. Russell is arguably the only LSU QB in Miles' tenure that actually helped the team win rather than LSU winning despite their QB. And Miles wasn't the coach that recruited these guys.
In Miles' first year, Russell's stats were 2443 yards and 15 TDs (couldn't find INTs). Russell's stats in his junior year (2006 season, after beating out Flynn and Ryan Perrilloux in camp) were 3129 yards passing for 28 TDs and 8 interceptions. A great year, no argument. He had around -200 rushing yards. He was then drafted by crazy Al Davis with the #1 pick (although in fairness, many draft experts agreed with the pick).
No QBs taken in 2004.
In 2005, Ryan Perrilloux was an undisputed 5-star QB and the #1 QB in the class.
No QBs taken in 2006. Matt Flynn did pilot the Tigers to the BCS championship, although he wasn't burning up the record books with 2403 yards and a 21/11 TD/INT ratio.
In 2007, Jarrett Lee was the #7 QB and 4-stars.
In 2008, Jordan Jefferson was the #8 QB and 4-stars.
In 2009, Russell Shepard was a 5-star QB and the #1 QB in the class. Chris Garrett, a 3-star, also committed.
In 2010, Zach Lee was the #9 QB and 4-stars.
Now he has Gunner Kiel, the #1 5-star QB for 2011.
I don't think it's a lack of talent at all, but rather a lack of development that sounds like lack of talent because LSU's QBs always seem to suck under Les Miles. Maybe that's on Gary Crowton or maybe just the style of play under Les Miles (and sounds a lot like Michigan's QB statistics under Bo's teams with great D), but with Crowton kicked out to Maryland, Miles is the common denominator.
Recruiting services and star ranking caveats apply, but LSU still chose to recruit these guys that were generally regarded as very talented. Seriously, 2 #1 QBs (and a third this year), 5 other 4-stars, and a 3 star on top and they haven't had a stud college QB outside of Russell.
Les Miles (or his OC, or his system, or whatever they have down there in the swamp) destroys QB talent.
Yeah I must say that Kiel's recruitment has been pretty strange to me, seeing as he always played it pretty close to the vest and seemed to really be thinking things through. With all that careful consideration he manages to completely botch the decision initially with Indiana and then not Indiana, and then finally settle on the qb graveyard you just described. What the hell is he basing these decisions on?
Well he said "The SEC is like the NFL of college football", so maybe he's either A.) getting paid or B.) expecting to be unceremoniously cut from the team after they oversign their next three classes.
"No idea if Kiel can play right away, but LSU was already stacked for next season. Really shows Tigers national reach"
Good get for LSU
Sparty scoffs in the general direction of LSU's "national reach"
He was a Michigan lean? Never heard that!
If you believe the rumors, he was a lean to half the BCS schools in the nation at some time or another.
The biggest story in IU football history just went poof!
It seems that usually LSU goes with a QB that is more on the mobile side. I'm sure that Les will find a way to use Gunner's talents though. Best of luck to him . . .
I didn't want to see Kiel in a domer helmet. They've taken us to the wire 3 years with 3 crappy QBs. Yes two were highly regarded, but on Clausen was supposed to be what they're claiming Kiel to be.
I'd rather take my chances with someone else, I don't care how good we'll be...
With that said, back to the regular scheduled program. I've already stopped caring.
How hard were we really recruiting him? QB was definitely not a pressing need in this class.
Also, there were rampant rumors of him being a silent ND commit. Just goes to show that the prevailing sentiment about a recruit's leanings isn't always correct.
We were going after him in spring/summer after we whiffed on Zeke Pike. WOTS seemed to be that Kiel lost interest in Michigan after Shane outperformed him in a camp. Who knows if that's true.
Don't think we were ever a favourite or close to landing him though despite some reports to the contrary months ago.
Shane didn't outperform him at the Nike Camp. Both had strong showings, but most observers said Kiel looked like the more polished product (which is, of course, understandable).
I'd rather Gunner go to LSU than ND that's for sure.
I was kind of looking forward to another 5 star qb underachieving at Notre Dame. Seriously though, I wish he would have stayed at Indiana, it might have made them relevant (a little bit) for the first time since Randall El was their qb. Regardless, a good addition to LSU and Les Miles's recruiting class.
One player will not make much difference. As much as I would like to see teams like IU and Minnesota being a bit more competitive, it ain't going to happen, not even with a 5-star QB. It would take $$$, a solid coaching staff and several recruiting classes with a solid number of top recruits to lift these teams out of the abyss.