he should be the BMOC if only anyone cared about Indiana football....do wish him well though.
Gunner Kiel commits to Indiana
We will be fine at QB through his college career...So good for them, I hope to see the big ten doing some big things over the next few years...Ive grown tired of all the SEC talk
staying home is good. i don't really HATE indiana the way i hate some other teams in the conference, same goes for minnesota. if he would have committed to purdue on the other hand - GRRRRR!
Is it possible to hate something that doesn't truly exist?
I was WELL aware that Indiana football existed.
Did it really exist before those games? I agree with you, of course.
If he had committed to Purdue, it would only be a matter of time before he became a Wolverine.
Wow. One can imagine the family tension if he ends up beating out his brother for the starting job.
then they'll only overlap 1 year for playtime, I believe.
...if Gunner had finally decided on a day to anounnce!
You should probably just go back to bed.
One name comes to mind that makes me 'ok' with this. SHANE MORRIS!
Althought Gunner is a good player/prospect, I like Shane Morris way more from watching videos etc. Sure, we could always use a guy like Gunner on the team, but it sets up for Morris to come right in and take the QB reigns.
On that note, good pull Indiana.
... the QB reigns behind the strong arm and quick feet of Devin Gardner, that is.
But, indeed, Quarterback-Linebacker-Offensivedefensivelineman-Defensivebacker U lives!!!
So elder Kiel is the probable starter this season, and then next year his little brother is going to arrive on campus as a 5-star recruit and "future" of IU football and be expected to start from day one (and unseat his older brother).
Wow. I NEVER thought he would actually commit to Indiana. Yeah he had them in his final group, but still.
Well he will have one of the best QB coaches on the planet.
EDIT: This is trolling? Because Denard isn't one of the best QBs on the planet who was coached by the now Indiana QB coach?
Has Rod Smith ever mentored a drop-back QB into the NFL? I honestly don't know his background at all before coming to Michigan, except he was at WVU a couple of years with RR.
Not sure if he was the coach at Tulane with Sean...
I don't think he was ever at Tulane.
A quick Google search turns up South Florida (never had a drop-back guy, let alone one sent to the NFL during his time there) followed by a year at WVU (with White at the helm... none there). His time at Michigan was next (nope).
Anyway, for one of the "best on the planet", he's had basically no success getting his guys into the NFL (unless you count Pat White's cup of coffee in the NFL).
Rod Smith was at South Florida for several years. He was only at WVU for one season (2007). Not sure if he's ever put anyone in the pros.
Anyway, as a general rule, you won't find the best QB coach on the planet coaching at Indiana.
I'm not gonna google this, but my memory is telling me that he wa in on us getting a lot of the good players we did get during RR's tenure.
He has spent a long time in Florida, so it would make sense. But again, if he were a dynamite name in the coaching field, a higher-level program would have gone after him.
This site was so much better when the shanty dwellers were still dwelling in thier shanties. Or is it us that were the shanty dwellers? Either way, stupid people are stupid.
You are more than welcome to leave.
You are also more than welcome to leave ;)
If I ever form an irrationally-strong attachment to a terrible coach, and he gets fired, causing me to hate life itself, I will.
Terrible definition: Extremely and shockingly or distressingly bad or serious
Rich head coaching career record: 120-84-2
Brady head coaching career record: 47-50
What are you defined as when you fail to perform as well as "terrible?"
Yep, with Hoke... we'll see.
With RR.... we know.
Thanks for the update.
Good God Almighty. How can someone defend our ex-coach at this point? You obviously don't care about defense, Dudeness.
HOW THE HELL CAN YOU NOT CARE ABOUT DEFENSE?
He didn't coach defense. He basically hired a DC who had been a HC so that he could turn that responsibility from recruiting to Saturdays over to them. It just didn't work out because he fired a good one and hired a bad one. I don't find anything wrong with the concept. It was just Gerg'd to hell.
I guess he didn't worry about special teams either.
....the special teams during those seasons were "special".
Head coach definition: The coach of the entire team
That's a Hall of Fame career at Minnesota
What are you defined as when you fail to perform as well as "terrible?"
Usually you are defined as "fired", which, unless I am mistaken, is a label that has never been applied to Brady Hoke.
I am not sure you fully understand what I was going for there.
For the record I didn't want this to turn into a thread about RR or anything.
Thanks jm! You just put it best right here.
I love to see two old veterans duking it out!
JM - I know you're younger than me, but your responses never fail to remind me of how my father would respond if he were an MGoBoarder.
Could your father's response be read aloud on HBO before 8 PM?
Answer: you live in a shanty.
LeBron James and Dwyane Wade are two of the best players in the NBA. I suppose then, using your logic, Eric Spolestra one of the best coaches in the NBA.
Your analogy backfired on you. Are you saying that a coach who "led" a team to the NBA finals cannot be considered one fo the best coaches in the NBA? If so, you're wrong.
You're not really suggesting that the Miami Heat couldn't have won a conference championship without Eric Spoelstra, are you?
Definitely not, but that does not mean that Spoelstra is/will not be thought of as one of the top NBA coaches because of it. That's just how things work.
There are a few Nancys on this board who neg you on the spot.
wow, amazing pickup for them.
Holy cow, when was the last time IU picked up a football recruit with this amount of hype?
They've had some good players, but the only one who was a strong high school standout is Anthony Thompson that I know of.
As a Hoosier and an Indiana University graduate, I can assure you we have never had a recruit this big choose IU. The last time we were even respectable for more than a single year was during the Mallory era and Anthony Thompson, while a very good prospect, had nowhere near the hype Kiel does. Hell, most of my friends are excited when we geta borderline 3* at any position or even just a lot of dudes choosing IU, regardless of ranking.
Maybe we can finally win something besides the tailgate in the next four years!
I've been to a few IU games and tailgates and I have to disagree - IU doesn't even win tailgating. Not WINNING.
Get some linemen to protect your investment. A 5 Star drop back passer surrounded by 2.5* players is just a big juicy target for defensive ends.
See that glint in Tom Strobel's eye? That's him looking at 2 star linemen.
Does this mean the all the recruiting "experts" will drop his ranking since Indiana isn't a football powerhouse? Good luck in the future except when playing Michigan of course.
Hey Gunner, good luck buddy. Now Rod Smith can turn you into Denard...oh wait, you're a Pro Style QB.
I know but Sam Bradford was at...Oklahoma...with weapons and an OL.
Maybe the plan is to have him redshirt behind his brother for a year after his arrival.......Keep peace in the family plus maybe get him some more players knowing he will be there for 4 years after that....
Or at least 3 years. Likely he and his brother get along pretty well and that will make whatever goes on easier to deal with. Kind of a nice and safe and warm blanket for coming into college football....
Tandon Doss is probably wishing he could have played with kid...
Maybe this will help their attendance. One player is not going to change that football program, but he will be the BMOC. They've had a decent offense for the last few seasons, but we all know what wins games and championships!
I applaud him for not going to any of our rivals!
Shit. At least Indiana is in the Leaders division.
This, and the fact that we got Shane Morris comin in a year later, makes me alright with this. It is gonna be awkward for him and his bro though.
BEAT OHIO...and WISCONSIN.
And sparty... who is their protected crossover game.
The silver lining.
Interesting strategy - will have the reigns and attention of a major program with little worry of 4 and 5 star qbs coming in year after year behind him. If he can be a major agent of improvement for them he will have a great platform for his future. Good for Indiana - they need a little positive stuff every now and then.
New mgoblog post tomorrow morning:
"OT: Gunner Kiel drops to a two star"
I wonder if he'll make people forget Tim Clifford.
He already made me forget Tim cli...no, wait a sec, I never knew who the h*ll Tim Clifford was in the first place.
Under Lee Corso, he led Indiana to its first bowl game victory in the Holiday Bowl that year.
The UM diehard and, also, jerk inside me wants to say something extra sarcastic along the lines of 'hey, sounds like a real fighter,' etc.
But the less-jerky part of me realizes this is a young man with the biggest possible decision he'll ever make on his hands, and wanting above all else to find a place to call home. Must have been a gut-wrenching decision, especially when the final choice turns out to be Indiana. Football.
But if that's where he feels comfortable, good for him and I wish him luck. Except when we play him.
..down the drain.
If there has ever been one football recruit who could singlehandedly change the direction a program, this guy at Indiana would be it.
I prefer him going to Indiana over Alabama.
Personally, I'd rather he commit to Alabama. We play Indiana again in a few years and, who knows, Kiel might be good enough to actually give them a chance to beat UM...not a very good chance, but a chance.
I'd rather have him end up at Indiana than, say, Notre Dame. Indiana could use a break anyway.
This rocks. Great for Indiana. If not Michigan, I would rather him be at Indiana.
Wouldn't it be grand if OSU/Penn State/ Wisconsin had to fear Indiana? This may start something there in my opinion.
Did we just see a recruiting voilation happen? Im stunned, I didnt think he'd go here, but I never thought he would go to Indiana.
There's a lot of reasons he'd go to Indiana. Close to home, family on the team, shot at early playing time, new coach who was a kickass OC, etc.
Weird to see a 5* QB go to Indiana but not as big a surprise in this case as some might think.
Best tweet yet by EDSBS:
Gunner Kiel laughs. Takes off rubber mask. Is Tate Forcier. "San Jose State? SIIIIIIIKE." #QBFORCE
When in history has the #1 recruit in the nation - a quarterback to boot - committed to play at a program the likes of Indiana? This has got to be the "get" of a lifetime for IU's coach and the program in general. I knew kids that chose smaller-name schools because they felt that they would shine there but geez! Well, I guess he's chosen a place where he'll almost definitely be a starter and quickly. Something to be said for that, I guess. And Bloomington is a great campus. But still . . .
Heaps to BYU happened last year..
Yeah, but BYU has a pretty rich tradition of great QBs.
That, and I wouldn't put BYU in the same group as IU (although I would love to do so). BYU is definitely a tier above IU, in my opinion, if only because they are fairly regular bowl invitees.
gunner isnt the overall #1 recruit in the country. just the #1 overall qb.
Tim Couch at Kentucky maybe. That was back before rivals, scout, & co, but he would be a 5* guy today probably.
I don't think it'll change much in how IU football is perceived or what it achieves but it'll atleast be good for the program getting more attention then normal, if Gunner pans out as a top player. Even if he does become a great player he'll still be guarded by a terrible Oline and tossing to MAC level wideouts.
WTF? I mean I get the whole hometown discount aspect but its....Indiana?!?!
Hope it works out for him minus any games vs Mich.
Wow, I give this kid a ton of props for following his heart. Everyone loves to root for the underdog, but they hardly ever win. Today, Indiana beats out Oklahoma, Alabama, and Michigan (among others). Congrats to Indiana, and Kiel has all my respect for his moxie.
I'm fine with this. Losing him to Indiana is not a big deal.
So I see that UM plays Indiana in 2013 and 2014 (Kiel's sophmore and junior, or RS freshman and RS sophmore years). Does anyone know the big ten's scheduling system and how it applies to cross division games? That is, would we still play Indiana the next two years, or would they rotate off of our schedule? Because, even though I think we would still beat them, I don't like the idea of playing Kiel for 4 straight years.
Fortunately, we'll be playing Indiana not Kiel. We were able to beat them even during the RR era. Their current recruiting haul includes (with Kiel) all 3-star, 2-star, and unranked guys (per Scout and Rivals)
I am so literally not scared of Indiana it's funny. You remember that we beat IU with the two worst defenses in UM history right? By then Hoke will have the team winning Big Ten Championships and we'll be fine
I believe it's two years on, two years off.
If Peyton Manning committed to Indiana it wouldn't make them relevant.
True, but that's only because Peyton Manning is a d-bag.
Wow, that's some pent-up hatred right there.
I'm a Tom Brady and Charles Woodson guy. Anyone who truly supports those two and knows their history vis-a-vis Manning can never appreciate Manning.
Straight out of left field, please explain.
Here's my reasoning:
1. He's a rival of Tom Brady, so that's one negative.
2. I implicate him in Tennessee's outcry about Woodson winning the Heisman over Manning. (Guilty by association even though Manning never really complained.)
3. He's a goofy-looking dude.
Those are my reasons and I'm sticking to them!
Fair enough, just wanted an explanation. I actually don't mind Peyton, but I'll agree he's goofy looking.
As a Colts fan, I absolutely can't stand Tom Brady. I still believe that he is a product of the Belichick system where somehow they cobble together a bunch of middling veterans and somehow win championships. Hate it. Can't stand Belichick either, stop your spying and wearing of goofy sweatshirts.
P.S. Tom Brady isn't that good looking either, I don't care what Bridget or Gisele think.
If there are any Mods closely monitoring this thread, I hereby nominate goblue7612 for a month-long ban from the Board. This is as blantant a case of blasphemy as I've seen. If only because he's clearly lying when he says that Brady is not good looking. I would totally do him! (/not gay)
I call shenanigans! He must've had plastic surgery over the years. His butt chin has completely disappeared. A truly beautiful man would not need plastic surgery, this is not the kind of person we should be looking up to. But please, no month long ban, I'd be subjected to a world of pure hell and work.
I came in here fully expecting this to be a joke. Wow. Great pickup for IU. Hopefully they win all their crossover games against MSU with this guy
That would make me a huge Gunner Kiel fan right there.
I like it. Since he wasn't coming to Michigan anyway, no point of being sour about it. I'm all for strengthening the B10 and Indiana to my knowledge has always been a bottom feeder. I know the SEC is #1 but if schools like Indiana, Illinois, & Minnesota started bringing in big time recruits and producing on the field we could close the gap. Good get for them.
A five star QB committing to Indiana, it's such a novel thing, I think it's kinda funny.
But even a player as good as Kiel can't turn around a program like Indiana by himself. They're' still Indiana. I certainly won't quake in my boots until I see them picking up 4* offensive linemen, RB's, receivers, and defensive players as well.
Other high level recruits could follow so you never know but I agree in premise that its still Indiana until proven otherwise.
and those other things led to his selection of Indiana.
Whatever the reason, I find it sort of refreshing that he chose a comparative nobody instead of the normal choice of some big football power.
I applaud the kid. It's really cool when a blue-chip recruit goes against the grain, defies the big boys, and picks the school dearest to him, despite that school's unimpressive track record. The kid obviously embraces a challenge. And it's damn near impossible to hate IU's football team, which we'll only see once or twice anyway.
This is great.
Good get for Indiana. Not sure if this makes them relevant though. QB play really hasn't been a big problem in Bloomington the past few years: Kellen Lewis was a playmaker and Chappell was pretty decent.
staying in the Big Ten. Saturday games will be great in a few years when we have Gardner/Morris, Kiel throwing for indiana, Miller at OSU, Starling at Nebraska (if he stays), Gray at Minnesota, etc. Who wouldn't kill to watch top draft picks duke it out every weekend in the Big Ten.
I'm not as surprised by this as some of you. His reluctance to open up at all during the recruiting process suggested that the lights night be too bright for him at a Michigan, Oklahoma, or Alabama. Good luck to him and congrats to IU.
Let me get this straight. Because he was quiet during his recruitment process, i.e. didn't pimp himself at every opportunity and/or change his mind 10 times, he's scared of the "big lights" at big time college football programs. Disagree.
I didn't say he's scared and I find him refreshing as a big-time recruit. My point is just that if anonymity and privacy are important to him, he's probably smart not to step into one of the highest-profile positions in all of sports (UM/OU/Bama QB).
but Kevin Wilson had my attention already while coaching Zak Kustok at Northwestern under Randy Walker. Now getting this Gunner Kiel commitment is really big for the new program.
Honestly, has Indiana EVER landed a number 1 ranked position recruit? And don't say TB Anthony Thompson or QB Babe Laufenberg.
Wilson is a good coach and should do some damage for the Hoosiers over time.. He'll certainly have Indiana fans scratching their heads about the all time spent dwindling with Cameron, DiNardo, Hoeppner and Lynch.
me from saying Babe Laufenberg! i was gonna be all like "this dude forgot all about laufenberg! i am going to pwn him big time!" but then you were all like "not so fast, people who think i forgot about laufenberg, cuz i didn't!" and i was all like "whoa! i have been laufenberg'd!"
been saying the next new coach will turn Indiana around for years. Never happens. That said, this is a huge pick up for them.
Really? Calling out Hoeppner? Not only did the guy die on the job, but he changed the mentality of the IU football players with his "Play 13" tag line. He beat Purdue and got IU to a bowl game. I think Hoeppner was a good coach for IU
A coach who helped turn freshman-Denard into sophomore-First-Team-All-American Denard is one of the best college QB coaches on the planet.
As a Michigan college football fan, I do not measure the quality of a coach based on how players do after the leave Michigan. I'll take Dennis Franklin, Ricky Leach, and Denard Robinson over Jeff George every day.
Lol, IU football is still gonna suck. Go Blue
This is the first thing that came to my mind when I thought of a top flite QB recruit pledges to Indiana when he could have written his ticket anywhere.
You'll have to substitute Indiana for Delaware.
Kevin Wilson...New IU head coach and former OC of Oklahoma. He helped generate some pretty farkin good offenses and coached Sam Bradford (3* recruit) into one of the best QB's in OU history. It seems odd to say, but looking back at OU offensive recruiting on rivals, and the star rankings don't exactly match up with the offensive numbers they produced...
No doubt, Kevin Wilson is a good coach and along with having his brother there, probably made Gunner's decision.
All that being said.......It still is IU......
That storied rivalry with MSU is about to really heat up.
I gotta say, it would be great to have him at Michigan, were he to commit to us, but if he would have, I would be disappointed in some way. With Denard with 2 years left, Deven with 4 years left and Shane coming in in 2 years, I would be diappointed because someone was going to sit.
We have a lot of talent at QB for the next 6 years....that is all I am getting at.
So this would be both a problem and a unique situation for Michigan? Sorry, if a top player wants to come here at a position with talent, I'm not complaining.
Bobby Knight is always going to land a few top guys....Wait, what?
Hopefully, we'll be good enough to beat Indiana even with two Kiels.
Having said that, better IU than OU or that awful place with elephants, crimson and ex-MSU coaches.
Brohm to Louisville v2.0
I wish he would have gone Blue but best of luck to him regardless.
IU is the best place for Kiel to commit to (besides us) as far as Michigan is concerned.
Increasing the national profile of a historical bottom-feeder is good for the B1G. The perceived strength of the conference can only help us in the polls.
If IU becomes competitive, there is one more obstacle for those in the Leaders Division, who we will hopefully face off with for B1G championships with great frequency.
Each player that makes it into the NFL from the conference makes it easier to recruit highly coveted players.
If he becomes a star, many of us will be able to say we've seen him play in person!
I love it.
Yeah, maybe, but likelihood is it forecloses any opportunity for his brother to play. So, in that respect, I hope that the fam is all good with that. I really believed it would be Michigan or ND for that very reason (and distance from home). At least the younger bro doesn't think he's good enough to want to transfer to another major conference school to play. If that's true, then it should be a good situation for them.
i forsee him struggling at IU at first, probably being alright and showing flashes of greatness in between getting run down by defensive ends. I bet he leads IU to a 8-4/9-3 season his last year at IU
I really thought he was playing a cruel joke by having Indiana make his final 3. Wish him the best of luck though, and I hope to see him continue the semi-long line of Indiana quarterbacks throwing for ridiculous numbers of yards especially against MSU. Indiana's going to be an interesting team for the next four years at least.
I have no problem with IU and have a lot of friends who went to school there, so I'm happy for them. I'd like to see them get to Northwestern-level respectability, and he might help them get some more talent and turn the corner.
Either way, this young man is going to pull some seriously hot tail in Bloomington.
Is it weird that I'm completely cool with this? We've got great qbs and its kind of sad to see a decent university like Indiana down for so long.
Good luck getting some wins for IU - I'm sure that they're excited to have you . . .
I told you all to bet the farm on it.
Between Denard, Devin, and then Shane Morris coming in, Michigan should be set at QB for the next six years. It's nice to have depth in case of injuries, but Michigan doesn't really need to sign a high-profile QB this year. They would probably be better off getting a guy who would be a good backup and not make waves sitting behind any of the aforementioned three.
I'm all for getting an "athlete" who can learn QB but switch positions his last couple of years. This could be a slash-type athlete or a guy who can become a TE or H-back. In the old days, with no cable TV and 115 schollies, teams like Michigan could sign multiple QB's and "bury them" in the depth chart to keep them away from the Purdues and Indianas of the world.
Nowadays, with everyone being on TV and athletes in constant contact with each other through social media, if you have too many "alpha" QB's, it just creates transfers and dissension. I think this class is shaping up just fine, and that many fans would be better served to keep an even "Kiel."
Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
- How do we know Denard will still be as much of an impact player under the new offense as he did under the old?
- Do we really know Devin Gardner is going to meet expectations? We've seen him take what, 2 or 3 snaps in an actual game?
- Morris will not even set foot on campus for another 2 years. So much could happen during that time.
I'm not really upset about losing Kiel, but, you can't deny it would've been better to get him than not get him.
So, you are actually Tate Forcier of San Jose State University, then, I take it?
+1 for the pun
Unbelievable. indiana has only beaten Michigan once in 40 years so this suddenly makes that game in 2013 interesting.
Don't like 'em in hoops but don't really care about Indiana in football, at least not yet. They gave Michigan very tough games the past two years and if their new coach from OU can keep recruiting maybe he can fill in some good players around Gunner.
It's good for the Big Ten to have no guaranteed patsies, just like Kentucky's improvement was good for the SEC.
Wow... Sucks to play them now. We still got Morris though.
Wow... Sucks to play them now. We still got Morris though.
the second most important thing is a strong Big 10
but at the end of the day, theyre still Indiana
I'll believe this one on NLOI day....
Randle el didn't make that team. IU had a defense. The first (and last) good defense they ever had. That year was a cummilation of randle el running circles around the majority of the opposing team and NINE four year starters on the other side of the ball for IU. That's how you get a good team at IU...you start guys as true freshman by the time they are seniors and have 30 some D-1 games under their belt, their bound to break .500
Hoosiers can be quite loyal to Indiana, and it does not suprise me that Gunnar Kiel stays withing state. If he does well there, he might end up at the Indianapolis Colts for the NFL.
Remember Bob Griese many years ago went to Purdue and helped lead them to the Rose Bowl and Big 10 Championships. I don't remember anytime recently when IU has been a factor for the Big 10 championship in football.
No doubt recently IU has been a lower tier team for football, but perhaps Kiel's early commitment to IU will attract other good talent there.
Recently, the lower tier of the Big 10 has included IU, Purdue, and Minnesota, and perhaps Illinois. It would be nice for the Big 10, if everyone could raise their quality of game, and perhaps change the current pecking order. Maybe OSU will be more humble, if they have poor recruiting season the next couple years, and thus lose some of their smugness.
Also I would love to see Indiana beat Notre Dame!
ESPN's main NCAA Football page has the headline "Top 20 quarterback prospect Keil commits to IU". The article then tells you he's #20 in their ESPN 150 and the #2 quarterback overall. IU can't even get any cred for their biggest recruiting coup ever. Every day I lose a little more respect for ESPN's "unbiased" sports coverage.
I hope he does well there ( other than when playing UM)