the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
The Gunner Kiel Commit Watch Begins...
June 4th, 2011 at 12:03 PM | 
He's not coming
He's not coming
June 4th, 2011 at 12:06 PM |
So Tom...
So Tom...
Is this one we should keep an eye on?
This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan
June 4th, 2011 at 12:14 PM |
I don't think we have that
I don't think we have that
I don't think we have that much of a shot at him. It seemed like he was afraid of competition against Morris, as it was said before.
June 4th, 2011 at 12:28 PM |
It's not necessarily a fear
It's not necessarily a fear
It's not necessarily a fear thing. There's only one QB on the field at a time and that's a crowded depth chart. If I were advising him, I'd tell him to seriously think about heading elsewhere.
If his goal is to get to the NFL, he needs to maximize his probability at being a multi-year starter and that's going to be much tougher at Michigan with our depth chart.
June 4th, 2011 at 12:08 PM |
At some level I feel stupid
At some level I feel stupid
At some level I feel stupid for saying this, you should never turn down talent, but isn't stocking our depth chart with elite QBs just setting it up so someone transfers? I'd almost rather focus on Morris and take rawer talent ATH type QB this year (that we could move to WR/DB down the road maybe).
Coaches know best of course and it is dumb move to turn down elite QB talent, still I feel like overloading is just going to set up more transfer drama and the like.
June 4th, 2011 at 12:12 PM |
Heck no. I want the absolute
Heck no. I want the absolute
Heck no. I want the absolute best players on the team. More competition the better.
HAIL!
June 4th, 2011 at 12:15 PM |
Is a five star going to
Is a five star going to
Is a five star going to volunteer to sit for three years though (1 year behind Denard, 2 behind DG). I just worry we'll see something where the kid comes in, fails to knock out DG and transfers out in a huff. I'd rather take someone who will stay and help us build experienced depth than come in and bail out rather than sit behind DG.
I feel like Bellomy will push DG enough as it is. To me it's almost like this year we're just looking for the guy who ends up at the third string for awhile.
June 4th, 2011 at 12:41 PM |
I think the coaches should absolutely push hard for Keil.
I think the coaches should absolutely push hard for Keil.
I like Morris as much as the next guy, but he won't even set foot on campus for two full seasons, and who knows what happens in between. Easing up on an elite QB because you've locked up a high school sophomore is a bold move, Cotton. Also, there is always the possibility that the coaches aren't particularly confident in the abilities of Devin Gardner just yet [ducks... narrowly dodges flying fruit].
EDIT: And on the transfers thing: media drama aside, if one QB transfers usually that means you've got a kick ass starter in front of him. Ryan Mallett disclaimer goes here.
June 4th, 2011 at 12:13 PM |
posted from iPhone
posted from iPhone
But it is usually the player that loses the playing time battle or does not pan out that transfers. Why not stack our chances of getting a great qb and if one is a bust or transfers because others are better it doesn't matter since we have the other elite players
This might be arrogant, and if it is, it is, but we're Michigan
June 4th, 2011 at 2:35 PM |
CREX
CREX
Would you rather people transfer maybe or deal with threetsheridan/dammit again?
Yeah many qbs
He only got the job because he's a Michigan Man not because he was the best. Is that what Michigan is all about? You do the best, you get the job. This MM meme is crap.
June 4th, 2011 at 4:59 PM |
I get what you're saying
I get what you're saying
But that reason is why a QB of this caliber is not life and death. But you never turn down talent. Competition is good, and you never know who pans out. Most transfers aren't as much drama as some lately have seemed to be.
Two situations - imagine if Rich had said "I have Denard AND Tate...I really dont need a QB anytime soon...if Devin comes, he comes". Then where's our QB depth? And yeah, it seems odd for a top QB to commit to maybe sit for 3 years; but again, you never know. One guy in just such a situation- Henne, behind also highly touted Gutierrez. And we all know what happened there.
You don't recruit "back-ups"; you have to recruit guys who can play.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
June 4th, 2011 at 5:34 PM |
Not all players work out
Not all players work out
Some get injured. Some aren't as good as their rating. Some lose the love for the game.
Since you never know who's going to work out, better to get as many of the best players as possible.
The rest will sort itself out.
Let me assure you, the starters rarely transfer b/c they're pushed too hard in practice. Now the 3 or 4 deep guys (whether they were highly rated or not) that aren't seeing the field may have a better chance elsewhere.
Always get the best players.
June 4th, 2011 at 12:37 PM |
Apparently
Apparently
Alabama is very high on him too, even though there's a 5 star qb from Alabama in this class they would prefer Kiel and have made a very strong push for him. Realistically he has to pick between 3 schools at this point. All of them have starting qb's picked out and depth at qb so he'll have to fight for his spot at any of them Oklahoma has 4 scholarship qb's, Alabama has 3, we have 3.
How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon
June 4th, 2011 at 12:49 PM |
You never turn down the #1 QB in the class...
You never turn down the #1 QB in the class...
Don't care how much depth you have. You can't turn down a player like this, EVER.
June 4th, 2011 at 3:24 PM |
Agreed.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Team 106
June 4th, 2011 at 12:55 PM |
i am thinking....
i am thinking....
Bellomy is gonna surprize us alll.
and, i really think a QB can have a single successfull year and easily make it into the NFL.
Time wounds all heels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwGXMryTbwE
June 4th, 2011 at 1:05 PM |
Cam Newton proved that, but
Cam Newton proved that, but
Cam Newton proved that, but it's probably better to get a couple of years as a starter. Lots of QBs struggle in their first few games as a starter while they work out the kinks.
June 4th, 2011 at 1:46 PM |
Cam Newton wasn't a one year
Cam Newton wasn't a one year
Cam Newton wasn't a one year starter he started the year before and led his team to the JUCO national championship.
Not the same kind of competition but it certainly helped him start without having to work out too many kinks. Newton did have a lot of games where he started off very shaky before getting it together though so the points still sort of valid.
-Eternal guardian of the Prevent (you from winning) Defense
June 4th, 2011 at 2:37 PM |
Cam
Cam
Newton showed us that to be true
I piss excellence and poop gold
June 4th, 2011 at 1:06 PM |
I personally think QB isn't a
I personally think QB isn't a
I personally think QB isn't a huge need but can't turn away a talented player like Kiel. Would only help push the other QB's.. rather get a stud RB
June 4th, 2011 at 1:10 PM |
posted from iPhone
posted from iPhone
Doubt we're getting Kiel. It's time to turn to Appleby.
Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order because it is better organized.
June 4th, 2011 at 1:48 PM |
Oklahoma...
Oklahoma...
is my guess. That is fine. With Morris in 2013, I think we look at an Appleby or someone of that nature, and if not...well, not ideal, but so be it.
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June 4th, 2011 at 2:05 PM |
The most important thing though
The most important thing though
is that it would be amaizing to have a Gunner at the helm!
"If this was an isocracy, you'd be in charge just like me." AIFM
June 4th, 2011 at 2:10 PM |
Tom said we would have a good June
Tom said we would have a good June
Someone may commit on the 10th and Gunner will commit within the next 10 days and if in the next 6 days he makes it out for a visit we could be in good position. but in all actualility he most likely go to Oklahoma
But sir, but sir, BUT NOTHING
June 4th, 2011 at 2:26 PM |
hmmmmmm...
hmmmmmm...
I'm taking the long view on this whole Kiel commitment; if he comes that's great and if not we have a number of viable options at the position. This is not Sheridan/Threet redux and this talk of Kiel, Appleby etc. is very reassuring.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
June 4th, 2011 at 2:45 PM |
Michigan needs some
Michigan needs some
Michigan needs some quarterback in this class at least for depth. You never know what injuries will happen.
June 4th, 2011 at 4:06 PM |
Did Kiel ever make it out to
Did Kiel ever make it out to
Did Kiel ever make it out to visit again? And has he been anywhere else recently that might have spurred the decision to commit? I hope we get him, but I'd actually be just fine with Appleby; I think he's a good, under-the-radar prospect who could end up being an excellent QB. That said, let's all cross our fingers for Kiel!
Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.
June 4th, 2011 at 5:16 PM |
Appleby is not under the radar,
Appleby is not under the radar,
he is well known. if there were such a choice, I'd take BDunn over GKiel, and be very, very happy about it. I'm not very impressed with our stable of running backs, and looking quite forward to see if Rawls and Hayes can push the upperclassmen. And if FitzT can stay healthy, he might be interesting as well.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it.
June 4th, 2011 at 5:21 PM |
Are we even a serious
Are we even a serious
Are we even a serious contender? I would think that with our QB depth and Morris commitment this guy is probably going with Oklahoma.
June 4th, 2011 at 6:22 PM |
Kiel to Indiana, book it.
Kiel to Indiana, book it.
Kiel to Indiana, book it.
June 4th, 2011 at 6:31 PM |
Morris is the future
Morris is the future
Watching the video of a freshman in high school play that well gives me goosebumps. On top of that he was the best QB at this years camp. We don't need Kiel. We need a Michigan man that wants to be here.
June 4th, 2011 at 6:45 PM |
i think if gunner
i think if gunner
visits next weekend along with all the other top recruits coming we have a really good shot of landing him. but if he doesnt visit, we're out of it
But sir, but sir, BUT NOTHING
June 4th, 2011 at 7:03 PM |
In terms of QB depth at
In terms of QB depth at
In terms of QB depth at Oklahoma, Alabama, and Michigan, then Michigan is the school at which Kiel would see the field the earliest. Oklahoma has Blake Bell who is a RS Freshman who will take the reigns after Jones leaves, and Alabama has AJ McCarron as a Sophomore and Philip Sims as a RS freshman. I am assuming Kiel would be able to overtake Bellomy, so the school that he would have to wait the least before starting would be Michigan. I still think Oklahoma is the favorite to land Kiel, but I think there is still a slight chance for us.
Hokemania...Gotta catch em all!
June 4th, 2011 at 7:13 PM |
He'll Have the Least Competition Here
He'll Have the Least Competition Here
because all he has to do to win the starting job is beat Gardner and Bellomy. In order to win the starting job, Gardner has to fit exactly what Borges wants IMO. Borges isn't going to adjust his offense for four years. With Denard, he has a special talent and someone who had a really good season, so he has to adapt for Denard's two remaining years. However, it's unreasonable to expect an OC to adapt for four years, which could be a problem because I don't think Gardner has proven he can make all the pro-style throws yet. If Kiel comes in and he displays a better ability to make those throws, he will start. Competing with someone who was recruited under an old regime and a last minute QB is better than competing against QBs who were recruited for the same system. Bellomy could be a wild card here. He really came on strong his senior season and I'm glad we landed him.
June 4th, 2011 at 7:44 PM |
Why is it unreasonable to
Why is it unreasonable to
Why is it unreasonable to expect an OC to adapt his offense to the talents of his players? Isn't that what he is paid to do? Bo's OCs found a way to adapt from the talents of option QBs (like Leach) to mostly dropback guys (like Harbaugh) back to mostly option guys (Taylor/Brown). I would hope that Borges can do likewise. Besides, Gardner is more of a pocket passer than Denard, anyway. Even if RR were still around for his starting years, I don't think we'd have run the exact same offense with him.
June 4th, 2011 at 7:21 PM |
Give it up, dreamers
Give it up, dreamers
Kiel is a lock for Sparty. They are THE national recruiting power.
"Underwear Wearing Basement Dweller"
June 4th, 2011 at 11:00 PM |
What am I missing...
What am I missing...
I love DG... I hope he's an all-American, but he hasn't shown anything yet. I know it's a long shot, but if we sign Kiel this year, I would assume that 2 years from now, DG is in a dog fight for that starting QB role, unless someone can convince me otherwise.
June 4th, 2011 at 11:39 PM |
"he hasn't shown anything yet."
"he hasn't shown anything yet."
???? You say it as though Gardner's had plenty of opportunities and has been a disappointment so far.
He was a pure freshman who had a total of 17 snaps in 4 games playing behind two sophomores who already had significant experience. He hasn't had a chance to show anything yet, or not. There is an almost complete lack of meaningful data.
June 5th, 2011 at 2:49 AM |
Cool story bro.
Cool story bro.
How about lets not insult a kid in High School.
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June 5th, 2011 at 2:46 AM |
Did Keil ever take a 2nd visit to A2? or is one scheduled?
Did Keil ever take a 2nd visit to A2? or is one scheduled?
The first post of thread asks if Gunner Kiel ever took a 2nd visit to Michigan but I never found an answer so I thought I would ask again. If he has not already visited a 2nd time, does he have a visit planned, I believe I remember reading that he planned on visiting Michigan again. Speaking of visits, are Jarron Jones and Erik Magnuson still planning on visiting Michigan soon, and have Adolphus Washington and Dwayne Stafford rescheduled their visits? If Gunner has taken, or will take a 2nd visit before he decides I think Michigan has a decent shot with him. GO BLUE!!!!
"My KUNG FU is the best, baby."
June 5th, 2011 at 6:04 PM |
posted from iPhone
posted from iPhone
Last I heard, Magnuson and Jones were coming the 10th. Nothing on Stanford and Washington.
Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.
June 5th, 2011 at 8:04 AM |
FWIW
FWIW
My Oklahoma friends who follow it close on a subscription basis tell me that it it is between Alabama and Michigan. Michigan considered the late horse charging hard on the back stretch.
These guys called RJS fairly early, so maybe they have some insight.
"because character wins in life and character wins on the football field....." 1-11-11
June 5th, 2011 at 10:18 AM |
i wouldnt be surprised by this
i wouldnt be surprised by this
if he visits next weekend like ive heard then we should be in good shape especially if he wants to be near home
But sir, but sir, BUT NOTHING
June 5th, 2011 at 11:58 AM |
Is he actually scheduled to
Is he actually scheduled to
Is he actually scheduled to visit? Hopefully Tom's recruiting post tonight will help clear some stuff up.
Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.
June 5th, 2011 at 6:48 PM |
Alabama
Alabama
Alabama
Current Smug rating: "lethal"
He's going to Oklahoma