Guess tentative ap/coaches rankings come monday
AP: 2 (Drew Sharp ranks us 3412th)
Seriously: Probably about 12ish in each
You can say that again.
Sharp will probably vote Sparty higher than Michigan, then write an inane column trying to justify it. We all know his M.O.
How soon does he lose his vote in the AP Polls? IMO, not soooooooooooon enough!
Win [all] the Game[s]
Playing for seeding rather than ranking at this point, but these losses should help. Just keep winning.
We didn't exactly set the world on fire this week, i say 10ish area in both
WIN THE GAME!
They did that, fire to the world.
I think we are playing as well as any other top 10 team so I would say we deserve anything around 10 or above.
We'll be 12. Will jump Cinci, Creighton, Saint Louis, and Iowa State in the AP Poll and Kentucky in the Coaches poll.
forgot to add cinci has dropped 2 in a row.
I would be happy with 8-12
This was a brutal week for top25 teams. ESPN's AP poll is outdated for some reason, but here's what they're showing for the coaches' poll from the week...
#4 Louisville lost
#5 Syracuse lost
#6 Kansas is in a tight game right now
#8 St. Louis lost twice
#10 Creighton lost
#12 Cincinnati lost
#15 Kentucky lost twice
[Michigan is #16 in this poll.]
#17 Iowa State lost
#18 Michigan State lost
#19 Iowa lost twice
#20 Ohio State lost
#22 Memphis lost
#23 Texas lost
#25 Oklahoma lost
By my count, the non-Michigan top 25 teams are 21-16 this week.
cinci lost twice
They've lost their last two games, but the last one before today was last Saturday. Their only loss since the most recent rankings were released came in today's game against UConn.
maybe the 2014 gods will reign down a loss for wisky tomorrow. That would be a-maz-zing.
What for?? they don't effect us in any way if we get a good seeding I want to earn it
Because fuck Wisconsin.
and forever, at least as long as bo ryan is there
Just based on records, which is not how they vote necessarily but might make for a decent approximation, we were the highest-ranked 7-loss team in the last poll for both the AP and Coaches poll, as I recall. Enough teams may have joined the 6-8 loss club, however, that it might give us a bump to perhaps 12th or so in both. That's also a guess based on the number of teams with comparable records that had a rougher week than we did.
In Kenpom's rating's, we're numner 14. Below Iowa. Below Ohio State. To be honest, I really don't understand his ratings in the least . . .
And I concur with the general sentiment that we'll probably be around 11-12. We should jump 9, 10, 11, and 15. Doubt they drop Louisville below us, because Rick Pitino . . .
It's math. It often conflicts with what we observe, which is partially the point.
It's also predictive, not evaluative. It's supposed to show how teams stack up going forward, not how good they've been so far.
Does anyone know Where I can order some Big Ten Championship tshirts?
I think I prefer the 1st one
So many ranked teams losing to unranked teams today. That's why I was nervous going into the Minnesota game tonight.
As for rankings, I think we only move up a couple spots because I don't think the polls will care much about us beating Minnesota and having a miracle one point win over a bad Purdue team. But that's all right. All I care about right now is getting the outright B1G title.
Rankings don't matter. Win the game.
Fine, rankings don't matter, but what does matter is seeing teams competing for the same seeds as us lose. A lot of those teams are ranked right around us. So, no, rankings don't technically matter, but they're pretty informative.
Rankings most certainy matter for seeding in the tournament. Perhaps1.5 months ago the wouldn't have mattered - but you better be damn sure they matter now .
We need to be as high as possible. (although see indiana 2013)
Kansas just lost
Rankings in basketball only matter if you're #1, in the top 25, or on the bubble.
In football it matters each and every week. In basketball, unless it's one of the 3 things I just mentioned. Who cares?
It's a recruiting tool to say ranked #1 for 'x' amount of weeks or "we're #1." Same with the top 25. And it may be something to consider for bubble teams...but that's it.
Whether we're #9 or #19, we're still ranked and 1 win away from an OUTRIGHT B1G CHAMPIONSHIP!
How do they matter every week in football? Your best move is to win all your games, and then you'll probably be in the top 2 and get to play for the MNC. I don't see how they matter for much, or anything, before the last week. What you should be doing in every week up to the last week is winning against your only scheduled opponent.
eligible for a BCS bowl like the 2011 team. It's hard to move up a lot, unless you win every game.
So the strategy (win, every week) is true in each and every week. So it's not dependent on rankings in any particular week.
In the BCS era it absolutely matters.
If you started higher in the preseason/early season, an early loss doesn't hurt you nearly as much.
For "mid-major" teams you had to be ranked at a certain point to be BCS eligible
Obviously the higher your ranking, the better shot you had at getting to the national championship game.
Also, college football is built off of it's rankings WAY more than basketball. At the end of the college football season, even if you didn't win the national championship, you still want to finish as high as possible. In college basketball, it's all about March Madness. No one cares if they finish 9th rather than 6th. Do you remember where FGCU finished last year in the rankings? No. But I bet you know they made the Sweet 16. THAT is what matters.
When Butler, VCU and George Mason made the Final Four, where did they finish in the rankings? Who cares. The Final Four is what they'll forever hold on to.
In football, you don't get a shot to make the "Final Four" aka a BCS Bowl if you're not ranked high enough. Rankings mean everything. At least they do up until you actually get that BCS bid.
If you're a mid-major, you can have a great year in college basketball, be ranked, and lose in the first round of your conference tournament a miss the NCAA Tournament because you're a 1-bid league and you're not undefeated and 31-0 like Wichita St.
Would you rather say "heeey, we were ranked" or cut down the nets of your conference tournament and go to the dance?
You originally said: "Rankings in basketball only matter if you're #1, in the top 25, or on the bubble."
Why can I not equally convincingly say "Rankings in football only matter if you're #1/#2 for MNC, in the top 14/16 for BCS, or ranked higher than the team you're tied with for a conference championship"?
Rankings are nice, but what about NCAA seed? I'd love to see us finish strong and win the Big 10 Tourney. I assume we'd be a one or two seed with that?
Rankings do have some factor on your seed.
Beat Illinois on Tuesday. Don't want to share the title with Staee.
We win the first tie-breaker with our sweep of Sparty. The only team we could tie with is Wisky.
The tie-breaker only counts for the BIG tourney seeding.
somewhere there is a sparty talking to him/herself about how Michigan State is the best college basketball team this year, and how they should be ranked 1st with an automatic bye to the sweet sixteen.
I actually don't mind Rexrode now that he's not working for the LSJ.
Now, the guy who's an insufferable homer douchebag schlub? That would be Graham Couch.
probably 12. One problem is that there are no really highly ranked conference teams right now, so the B1G is more shuffling around in the rankings than jumping.
I will go with 11.