Guards, Tackles, Centers, Demotions?

Submitted by JeepinBen on

There's a nice writeup on Grantlad today about college tackles who move to guard in the NFL.

Ihttp://grantland.com/features/guard-tackle-interior-offensive-linemen-nfl/

Lots has been discussed here with Mags and Braden switching around, I highly recommend the whole writeup and would love input from those who know more about football than I do.

 

Like the physical requisites, there’s a specific set of mental attributes that separate whether players are suited to play inside or out. Joe Thomas, the best left tackle in football, has famously short arms, but no lineman alive is calmer and more unflappable when pass blocking. “The key to playing on the outside is understanding angles,” Bentley says. “It has nothing to do with how tall you are. It has nothing to do with how long your arms are. Does that help? Yeah, it can help, but that’s not the no. 1 requirement.”
Kelvin Beachum, who stands a relatively paltry 6-2 and manages to play left tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers, gets by the same way.
When Birk, a taller-than-average center who played tackle at Harvard, made the move inside during his rookie year, his interior education came courtesy of Jerry Ball. By 1998, Birk’s rookie season, Ball was 34 and seven seasons removed from the most recent of his three Pro Bowls, but still, dealing with the 330-pound nose tackle was a daily chore. Ball would torment the rookie, inching farther inside before the snap, baiting Birk into thinking he meant to crash hard across the center, only to dart back toward his original gap as the ball was snapped. “He really made me realize it’s about more than just power,” Birk says. “There’s a lot of thinking that goes on in there.”

DrMantisToboggan

August 20th, 2015 at 11:38 AM ^

I've often thought that the OL would challenge the QB and MIKE for highest required football IQ on the team. Like the article says it's really not a lot about size. Braden tends to lean forward a lot which will get him beat by speedy edge rushers at T, but can be a plus at G. Obviously the ceiling is probably higher for bigger dudes, but playing low and intelligently can take you really far as an OL, a la David Molk



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DrMantisToboggan

August 20th, 2015 at 11:42 AM ^

To expand on the IQ portion you have to not only know your assignment, but the contingencies within your assignment (doubles w/ climb to a backer), the front (30/40 fronts change your counting and who your target is)and tendencies of the defense, and also know what the development of the play behind you is supposed to look like. A lot has to be processed in your head between -1 second and 1 second of the duration of a play



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LSAClassOf2000

August 20th, 2015 at 2:37 PM ^

The last time I checked, I believe that was true - the NFL average is something like 20, but OTs sat at an average of 26 and centers at 25 at last look. The next two on the list were quarterback and guard, as I recall. The bottom of the list tended to be heavy on defensive positions. 

BroadShouldersBlue

August 20th, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^

Not to mention communicating with the other lineman, especially when it comes to pass protection. Defenses can stunt the tackles, and obviously bring pressure from anywhere. I think this is one of the reasons our 2013 line was so terrible: the guys were young and hadn't had enough full-speed game experience to understand pass blocking and the adjustements necessary.

getsome

August 20th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^

yeah pretty sure ive seen studies indicate that LT and C consistently post the highest wonderlic scores (on average) after QB.  its certainly no be-all end-all and theres many pieces to the puzzle, but higher IQ's can only help.  

similar to strength at point of attack or long arms, practical intelligence is never a bad thing and only adds value as another tool in OL's (or any players) toolbox.  

obviously the best players at all levels are typically those who not only have the most "check marks" next to their name but consistently best utilize those assets on the field.  and IQ, adaptability and thinking on ones feet arguably help OL as much as anywhere else, particularly compensating of less physically gifted players

Magnus

August 20th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^

Regarding size, I think there was about a six-year stretch where no Michigan offensive tackle was below 6'6". Before Mason Cole (6'5"), I think the last one was Steve Schilling (before he moved inside to offensive guard).

Sleepy

August 20th, 2015 at 11:47 AM ^

...gets nowhere near the recognition he should.  Dude was a monster in that game--he was borderline unstoppable with the "up & under" from the NT spot.

AC1997

August 20th, 2015 at 12:02 PM ^

In just about every position there is a delicate balance between intelligence and skill.  You can argue how much of the physical skill is learned or God-given I suppose, but it takes the right mix of both to be a star at the highest level.  That ratio varies by position, but I suspect there would be some obvious trends out there if you had the right data to compile it.  Here are some examples:

  • David Terrell and Braylon Edwards were the best receivers I've ever seen at Michigan.  And yet Chris Calloway and Jason Avant have had far more successful NFL careers despite not having the raw talent or physical attributes.
  • Drew Brees and Russel Wilson defy every QB stereotype for NFL quarterbacks with regard to size and probably arm strength why Ryan Leaf and others had all the physical talent needed.  

I think some positions like RB or DE emphasize physical skill more than perhaps OL or Safety, but all of them take the right amount of balance.  

Reader71

August 20th, 2015 at 12:11 PM ^

While everyone talks about guys maybe being too short to play tackle, what no one talks about is guys being too tall for interior positions. I like my centers, for example, pretty compact. A shorter guy can get out of his stance faster than a taller guy, and getting out of that stance is the #1 thing for a center. They have to snap the ball, on time, and engage in a block with one arm simultaneously. If you've got long legs, that might hurt you from picking it up, moving it, and planting it back down before the nose is all over you. Similar concerns for tall guards. Guards have to pull. Taller guys have higher centers of gravity and makes that first step more difficult. I guess no one talks about it because there are only a few guys 6'6" and above who dont play tackle. And interior problems can often be mitigated by help, whereas tackles are often on their own. But Braden worries me a bit. He's tall, and in an effort to get low and not lose leverage, he leans. Leaning is the worst thing a lineman can do.

Jimmyisgod

August 20th, 2015 at 12:36 PM ^

I think people get too caught up in a couple inches when evaluating O linemen.  6-4 is plenty tall enough to play tackle.  6-6 is plenty short enough on play guard.  I mean I've literally read evaluations about guys that are 6-3-7/8s sayng they lack height and in the next paragraph about another guy 6-4-1/8 than they'll say is plenty tall enough.  1/4 inch?  That means nothing.  The Lions have a plus LT right now who only fell to them because his arms were like 1/2 shorter than the scouts wanted.  1/2 inch?  Reiff is becoming one of the top 10 LTs in all of football.

BlueinOK

August 20th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^

Great article. There isn't as many stories out there about the OL. For some reason, people like talking about QBs, RBs and WRs on offense. I don't know why. 

wolverinebutt

August 20th, 2015 at 4:55 PM ^

I see the advantage of guys just  a hair shorter on the inside.  

The old football saying "Low man wins" is true.

BUT it doesn't mean taller guys can't gitter done to.