Zettel, Bolden, Robinson?
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Zettel, Bolden, Robinson?
Why do you want Bolden?
I think he means Joe and Denard...
You could possibly say that about all three. The way Michigan is recruiting, I would rather have a player the coaches could teach from the beginning of their career. Underclassmen coming in just before start of camp may lose another a year just trying to pick up the system.
I think you maybe make an exception for an upperclassman (Silas Redd or Jordan HIll) who wants to come here for one year to help with depth or fill gaps becuase we are under the scholarship limit for 2012 , but the fan in me kind of wishes the seniors stick it out with Penn State. I would feel kind of dirty if Michigan pulled a key starter from PSU.
Pretty sure Redd is a junior.
Zettel is only a redshirt freshman. Penn State is pretty good at developing d-linemen. His technique and strength should be a year better and I thought they also play a 4-3. Transition wouldn't be that bad.
Every team coaches their DL to play a different way depending on scheme and personal style. Need to learn the playbook. Scheme is much more than just personnel groups like 4-3 as it includes philosophy like attack vs. read and react, gaps & alignment. Not to mention moving and adjusting to new school and facilities during fall football camp.
I don't think he would have much if any advantage at all over Wormley, & Strobel. If he is not contributor this year, you are looking at a kid who becomes a RS sophomore in 2013 without any real game experience. Unless the transfer could contribute on the field this year, I think you could recruit a kid in 2013 class that would be more valuable than that.
Bolden cant beat out Matt "super ginger" McGloin. Why would we want him?
I understand that USC gives him the best win now situation, but I bet his ultimate goal is the NFL. Would he truly risk a starting spot for a chance to compete in a loaded backfield at USC?
Please list the backs that compose USC's "loaded" backfield. They have a tiny Curtis McNeal and that's about it. They have no big back at all, so Redd would be perfect.
Exactly, USC needs Redd more than he needs them.
that backups at USC have trouble getting drafted high enough?
This idea actually isn't half bad. Methinks Fitz is done for some time, and think about how much an elite back will improve our chances of success this season.
He wants to play in the NFL? How's this as a marketing strategy to NFL scouts: play the season opening game against Alabama. No other school can offer that.
Redd has already played against Alabama... twice. Once in a starter role and one in a backup role. Both times, he was stuffed. Why would he come and play them yet again only to be stuffed in the backfield yet again?
Being the feature back alongside Denard in the shotgun is A LOT different than lining up in I behind superstar Matt McGloin. Different offensive focuses, different opportunities, etc.
Apples and oranges.
Toussaint will probably be suspended for the opener, but I imagine he'll be reinstated not too long after that. This was his first strike.
Dukes of Hazard-ing it over a car outside of Rick's is a strike.
Getting a DUI on campus a month before the season opener against the defending national champions is striking out looking on three consecutive fastballs down the middle to end the World Series.
Don't think he'll be back as soon as you think.
I don't wish to trivialize what he did at all. I fully support him being suspended against Alabama.
I'm just saying that in general, the first time a student-athlete gets in trouble with the law (regardless of what it is), the punishment won't be as severe as it would be for a second offense. Which I think is reasonable - college-age kids will do a lot of idiotic things. You expect them to be able to learn from when they mess up.
But what precedent do you have to support that? Stonum got a DUI and was suspended one game. I know it's a different team, but Michael Floyd missed no games after an off-season DUI.
I'm not saying he won't miss time, and it's possible he's out Alabama and one more just to send a message, but from all reports Fitz cooperated with the police and he hasn't had a blemish on his record until then.
If I were to guess, I'd say he misses the first full game at most.
What makes you think Fitz is done for some time? It's gonna be two games, maybe three, for a first offense. He'll be back by the ND game.
25 players, huh? You could field an offense, defense, AND kicker and a punter, plus have one left over as a universal backup.
You're forgetting the long snapper.
What are you talking about? Nobody offers scholarships to long snappers.
Wow. Am I the only one that thinks 25 player reaffirming their committment s is a VERY small number? That's can't be very reassuring to the PSU faithful.
very small number. And we don't know if they are backups or starters. Also, they could be all juniors or seniors, who would be the most likely ones to stay.
My thought was that it had to be junior/seniors, if you were a frosh/soph and not a die hard PSU fan/local I dont see why you would stay.
I read that Rodriguez is contacting players at PSU. He's looking for anybody that can play defense. The cupboard must be bare again. Flamebait!!
how you know you will be voted "Flamebait" by MGOBloggers and you are all excited about it.(!!)
/s - Does that help?
Well, Arizona, so...yeah.
Flame bait or not, it's probably true. Arizona is not exactly loaded with talent right now.
Any list of who they are?? I don't see it.
I'm sure someone will break down who each player in the picture. Notably, Jordan Hill was not there either, but he is a rep for PSU at Media Days like Redd. John Urschel was there though (also a PSU rep at Media Days).
Video of statement:
They are going to have to share helmets and jockstraps a la The Waterboy. And have drunk cheerleaders.
Good for these select few players at Penn State. No one, including myself, would have blamed them for leaving Penn State after all these terrible things happened, but it shows their character by staying true to their school.
Is that you Brian Wilson?
How about en route?
No Spanish on the blog please.
The window to leave before the season is so short. The normal reaction would be to stick it out with your teammates. It may be a different story after this season, when players have had the time to make a decision not based on emotion. O'Brien may want to play his entire roster vs Ohio U, so they can't transfer during the season and be immediately eligible.
The players. They did nothing wrong.
them. Are you a member of the perpetually anguished class?
Now that this has happened, I hope they turn as one and collectively flip the rest of us off, and move on to a new future. I would be happy to go help rebuild that team (as long as I could wear Maize).
Also, it isn't the football team, that is why there are skinny fellows.
Come on, that was funny. Awful as it was, what happened at Penn State doesn't call for the end of all humor.
the whole. I can understand that. I can also understand people feeling it is too soon. I also laughed at Shane Morris doing a photoshopped handstand where that statue used to stand.
The players and the new coaching staff had nothing to do with it and deserve to be treated like crap, just as we would treat any other respected foe.
If a video on a blog is going to bother them, wait until someone across the line of scrimmage starts in about the goings on in their locker room.
but that was hilarious. I nearly spit out my coffee onto my keyboard as I watched this.
Not saying I find humor in any way shape or form in this situation, but I bet you at least chuckled a bit.
good one! As a side note, I hope a lot of players stay....I always liked Penn State. (helped that we beat them a lot...)
(WFBlue, it's funny because that's the bball team being announced for March Madness)
Those who stay at PSU may not be champions on the field, but they will certainly have a stronger bond with each other than they otherwise would have.
Yes... they really have nothing to lose and no expectations... any win will be huge, and these kids will have gone through hell together, I can see a certain appeal to staying.
That's less than 30% of the team. Even if the other 65 aren't leaving (and I doubt they would), you've got to wonder how much time they're devoting to the upcoming season at this point. A lot of those guys are fielding calls from other coaches telling them how bad Penn State is likely to be, and every time they turn on ESPN it's more of the same. I'd be pretty down if I was in their shoes.
Man it was painful to hear those guys talk, good intentions but poor execution. Not sure if it would have been better for them to script that (which it really seemed they did) or to wing it. They won't be politicians one day, we know that at least.
Also remember that these kid have an open door to transfer at any time, so it might be interesting to see if any of these 25 have a change of heart after the end of this season...
I'm sure some guys are home for the summer, some have summer jobs and couldn't get off for a press appearance. I wouldn't pay too much attention to the fact that some guys weren't there. Just wait and see.
PSU's new JoePa Lite was on M&M this morning and was asked about coaches recruting his players. He mentioned the names of a few coaches (Ferentz was among them) who had contacted him to tell him they were interested in his guys and would be recruiting them. He also implied that he felt some other guys who had contacted his players were classless, since they had not contacted him to discuss it.
He did NOT mention Lane Kiffin among the coaches who had contacted him.
Also, at one point in the interview, when asked why a player would play at Penn State, O'Brien answered, "Where else can you play in front of 108,000 fans six or seven times a year?" To which I started screaming at the radio, "MICHIGAN! ONLY IT'S 110,000+!"
Can we not call O'Brien JoePa lite? It's not in the least bit clever or funny and just serves to make you (and the board) look bad.
Joe pa lite? Last I checked o'brien hasn't enable a child rapist. I would avoid comparisons to joe pa, but that's just me
The whole classless statement sounds very Dantonio-an to me. I understand why he may think it's unfair, but IMO he should think about the kids on his team who had dreams of winning championships and bowl games only to have that opportunity ripped away by people lied to them. I think it's completely fair for coaches to recruit his players and give them another opportunity if they do choose. Some will clearly disagree with me, and I can see the other side of the token. Just my two cents.
He didn't say it was classless for other coaches to talk to and recruit his players, he said it was classless to do it and not let him know they were doing it.
He was interviewed yesterday on the Dan Patrick show and he mentioned that several times as well. I understood the message he was going for come on, man. We were playing in front of 100,000+ crowds decades and decades before Penn State added their 15th expansion to go over the 100,000 mark.
Come on now.....they may have had 15 expansions to reach the 100k mark but you have to admit they were damn stylish expansions!
That stadium looks downright unstable. It's a good thing State College isn't in an earthquake zone.
He said it's maybe the best stadium in college football. I'm guessing he thought the Metrodome was maybe the best in baseball.
Say what you will about that stadium, they have a damn good home field advantage...those white outs are insane...
Wish we had that in us sometimes
Great crowd, ugly stadium.
It will be easy to remove the extra 60,000 seats they will have. I hope they didn't lose the little screw driver and wrench.
I wonder if PSU will actually have 108,000 fans in the stands for any games in the next few years. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of empty seats.
I find it sad how Mlive has a poll up about what you would do if you were Zettle. I think the man deserves some space and privacy in terms of making a huge decision yet again on his future with college football.
I know they are considered amateurs because they are not paid, but when you consider the media attention and scrutiny these guys endure they are essentially professionals.
considered amateurs and essentially professionals. If I had a program of my own, classes on speaking to the media and other idiots would be a requirement. I think some kind of seminar might have helped here, but taken as part of the grand scheme of what has happened at PSU, what the players say is the least of their worries.
Putting yourself in a current PSU player's situation, what would you do? I'm curious to hear people's thoughts. Assuming I played for the team I have loved my entire life (Mich), I can't possibly imagine going anywhere else and wearing another uniform other than the maize 'n blue.
I'd stay but that assumes a few things. A) I am not good enough to go pro B) I was an upperclassman C) I grew up a Michigan fan
If I was only a year in I'd leave, if I was looking to go pro I'd leave to get better exposure, if I wasn't a fan before I'd leave. Its a very personal decision obviously but those would be my first criteria
How are you going to get better "exposure" than playing at PennState the next two years? O'Brien is also tied into the NFL fairly well, so if I'm a Jr. or Sr. looking to go pro, I stay.
I think most will stay, especially seniors who have more to lose if they go. Younger players will consider leaving and they will certainly lose a bunch of their most talented younger players who have most of their careers ahead of them and want to compete for things, and win. That will likely result in PSU fielding a decent team this year and not again for a long while.
I would stay, and I think mose would (and will). Entering freshmen excepted, since they have virtually no investment in Penn State at all yet, there's a lot more to leaving a program than the football stuff. If you've been in college for a year or more, you have a lot of close friends you see every day. You have roommates, and a house/apartment/dorm you like. You might have a professor or advisor you've gotten comfortable with. You might have a girlfriend or love interest you've spent time pursuing (or multiple). You have your favorite restaurants, bars and maybe the place you get your haircut. You have a schedule that you're used to. You likely have a degree you're pursuing. And - you have this school spirit you've developed after about 20 minutes of living on campus that's hard to turn off.
Not every kid has all of these things, but they all have most of them. Point is, transfering schools is a lot bigger than bowl games and depth charts. For a few guys, those will trump the rest. But not for most.
Am I any good? Honestly, any good player that would definitely start for another major FBS team is probably stupid to stay. More marginal players are probably better off staying because they are going to get more playing time now than they would have otherwise.
"Putting yourself in a current PSU player's situation, what would you do?"- nickbob
If I have formed bonds, made friends and invested myself in the team and the school, I would stay, and I think that is part of the reason why these players made that video. This is the very question for which these players are providing an answer. Through all this, that team has probably bonded in a way that few groups ever do even in adverse situations, for they personally have nothing to hide and nothing to lose at this point. It would seem to me that - expectations gone - the only thing they really have now is their loyalty to the school. I think there's something to be said for expressing that loyalty in the most trying circumstances.
I think current players are likely to stay but I'm sure there will be some coaches who view this as college football's first free agency period. Personally I don't see how you can keep locker room morale up by going after PSU players but coaches have to make that decision themselves. Recruits are a whole other beast, I expect PSU to be left with a MAC level class for 2013.
I'd rather go to several MAC schools than Penn State at this point.
Then you probably don't put much value on education.
That assumes that a person will actually get a better education at PSU than a MAC school. That's not necessarily true. If we're being honest, the quality of education you get probably doesn't vary much from one university to the next. The real "difference" between schools is probably just the amount of prestige associated with having a degree from the school. In the case of PSU, that prestige has been tarnished by this scandal (which may be unfair, but it's reality).
If I'm an HR director looking through resumes and I see "Penn State University," I'm probably going to think of the scandal and the creepy cult of JoePa that exists there. It might well influence me not to hire that candidate. Even though it's unfair, our minds can make those kinds of snap judgments. The entire PSU alumni pool has to live with this albatross.
Do NOT read comments about the Freeh report corrections. You will regret it. I got to this and just had to close the browser window and berate myself for even wandering down this path:
"I am also tired about hearing about the victims. We all feel very bad for them but they had their victory in Court and will be paid large some of money. They sat silent for years."
The author had the name "PSUDAD"
wonder if psudad would think the same thing if it was his child. what a fucking tool.
Speechless. Dumbfouded... PSUDAD???
JoPa worshipers contributed to the culture that allowed him so much power. And they did NOT sit silently...they continually rallied behind unchecked power, and exacerbated a culture that allowed JoPa to excuse away a monster's behavior.
So while I can sympathize with those uninvolved and ignorant to the atrocities, that myopic and heartless comment is inexcusable...and shows exactly the culture that existed...and why the NCAA needed to punish everyone.
Those people need to wake the fuck up.
((shit! And I only read ONE comment))
Obviously written by Jerry Sandusky
I know the players can transfer and immediately become eligible, but is there a time limit for that? Can a guy transfer a year from now and play right away at his new school?
They can transfer and be immediately eligible until the 2013 season starts. They can even transfer during this season and immediately play for their new team as long as they hadn't appeared in any games.
this morning that Jordan Hill was intending on staying, can't remember where???/ SB Nation? just google "Jordan Hill transferring from Penn State..."
Meh. This is a team that barely beat Indiana and got crushed by Houston. Not liek they're going to win that many games this year anyways.
I bet Rodriguez is one of the coaches that isn't asking the PSU coach before he recruits his players. He sounded pretty pissed that they didn't show the respect to at least ask him first even though he can't say no.
No Penn State players will attend Big Ten media days. Silas Redd, John Urschel and Jordan Hill had been scheduled to attend.
— Rittenberg/Bennett (@ESPN_BigTen) July 25, 2012
Ah yes, another tweet that leaves more questions than answers. Gotta love twitter.
I wouldn't necessarily read anything into that. If I were their coach, I'd probably want to spare them from that experience with the media, too.
That's true but we were told by PSU that the reason Redd and others werent at the "rally round the flag" assembly today was because they WERE at said media days or at least en route.
All (legitimate) outrage aside, good on them. Nice to see them pledging to stick with their school through tough times. After all, neither they nor anyone currently associated with the football program did anything wrong.
Can they still transfer next year when they get curbstomped all season? Or when they wake up and realize they were recruited by a bunch of creeps? The fans are flipping delusional. I ran into a PSU fan that truly believes all was well with Joe, and that Joe couldn't watch over Sandusky. It wasn't his job to watch Jerry.
if silas Redd goes to holywood (U$C) and has two years of playing time, what does this do fot the kid from Joliet ( Ty Issac) . I would think he would re think his verbal to kiffin and take a look at brady Hoke and michigan. Beside I see that they have the second ranked RB from California. it lok very crowed in that back field.
An Illini blog suggests that
Penn State Redshirt freshman Right Tackle and Cactus product Ryan Nowicki has decided to transfer and is highly likely headed to Illinois.