Groh gone

he kinda reminded me of Chain Galey at GaTech - you just knew each you were going to get a mediocre and uninspiring football team.

Groh had a fair shake at it, by this time I think it is clear that he can get you 9 wins at best but is probably going to get around 6 or 7 wins.

Groh definitely got more than a fair shake. He put together a number of top-20 recruiting classes over the years and never turned them into on-field success. I'm amazed he lasted as long as he did. The ACC has been ripe for the picking the last few years, so it has to make the struggles even more frustrating for Wahoo fans.

i seriously thought we had a player named Groh and was shitting my pants about the depth chart

Kragthorpe has been the biggest disappointment I can remember as a coach. When he was at Tulsa, he was one of the hottest "up and coming" coaches in the game. Because I thought RR would never leave WVU and didn't consider him an option, my "short list" to replace Carr was Meyer, Peterson, and Kragthorpe, in that order.

I am shocked that he has done so badly at Louisville, but quite happy that he didn't end up at UM.

Groh was given more than enough time.

But, your criticism is pretty ridiculous: "the way I saw it was that each year would start off weak, and then Groh would get his team to start caring". And, "It seems like he would slack off in the beginning of each season and then start coaching once his seat heated up a bit and then start pulling out the wins".

There is not a coach of any sport at any level that would actually do this.

"Shitty coach" is more than just a little unfair.

Richt has had plenty of time and talent at Georgia. I don't think he's done a great job of coaching that team. Good, yes. Great, no. He's kind of in the quandary we found ourselves with Lloyd Carr. If you're Georgia, are you satisfied with having a good team every year or are you willing to take the high risk, high reward chance of having a great team?

Groh and Weis will find plenty of work back in the NFL from which they came.

there are other hot, up-and-comers who sooner or later flame out, like Kragthorpe, Franchione (Texas A&M), Hawkins, and Dirk Koetter, to name just a few. While he never had had a head coaching job before, I think you could put Weis into that category as well. He was a hot name when he was initially hired. For a very brief moment John Cooper was considered a hot commodity based on his record at Arizona State, and his overall record at OSU was certainly pretty good, except for Michigan. I'm not a coach so I'm just totally guessing, but sometimes I wonder if coaching success is as much having to do with right place at the right time as anything else. I wonder how Bo would have done if he had taken over a truly awful program like Iowa or Northwestern in 1969. My hunch is that he would have gotten them competitive relatively quickly, but that's a different thing than getting them to the top of the conference every year to start off with.

I just never though Groh commanded authority as a college coach. He always seemed out of place, like an NFL guy trying to act the part of a college guy (have we heard that one somewhere else as well?)

Wearing those sweatshirts at games made him look like a bum and/or a gym rat who lacked the professionalism of a serious coach. Joe Paterno wears a tie, for Chrissakes.