After both breaking the current career rushing yard and rushing TD NCAA records, they will both leave for the NFL after their junior seasons and go #1 and #2 in the NFL draft.
Green (#137) vs. Smith
No, they will clearly forsake the money and come back for their Senior years after having a long heart-to-heart with Lewan on why he stayed.
A heart-to-heart-with-Hart about why he stayed.
Well I'm usually not one to make predictions, but I see them both averaging around 2,000 yards a season and going on to Hall of Fame NFL careers.
I don't know.
Grady was a 5* and busted
Hart was a 3* and was amazing
then Maurice Hurst Jr will be forced to go back to his HS role as a RB where he will run for 2,000 every year before leaving early for the NFL and being Mr Irrelevant
Sounds about right.
The difference is that Green will need to be fitted for a new jersey. Smith can come right in and wear this jersey:
Wish this site would give guys like Vinny Smith a little more love. That kid did everything ever asked of him beyond his size and talent level, and gave Michigan 110%. Blame the worst offensive line in 50 years for the Clowney decleating, but even then, Smith still tried to regain possession of the ball. Vince Smith is one of my favorite Wolverines of the last 10 years.
The 2008 offensive line says hello.
The OP asks a legitimate question and he gets a bunch of douchebag answers. Why is that? Is this the general attitude of the typical Michigan ?
We were well-behaved through the first 135 Green posts or so, but now we've gone a little bit south.
Green is turning into the next Kozan on this board. Frankly, a bunch of us are pretty fed up.
Secondly, this is the kind of question that could easily be researched (Magnus has done some semblance of a scouting report on both of them on Touch The Banner, etc.) and has probably been answered at least once in the past.
Also, what is "the typical Michigan?" AFAIK, there's only one Michigan.
If you go and watch their highlight vids, I think that you will notice the difference.
- Runs high, doesn't pick up his knees/feet very well
- is good at weaving, better now at cutting than he showed in jr highlights
- looks like a bigger, physical back....or linebacker
- tough SOB to tackle
- does not have top end speed
- falls forward for that extra yard
- less apt to be the honorable recipient of the Fred Jackson's Yearly Superlative Allegory
- extremely patient following blocks
- great vision
- keeps feet churning
- good at cutbacks
- has some breakaway ability
- bigger than Smith but plays more like a polished runner than a physical back
- more likely to be the recipient of the Fred Jackson's Yearly Superlative Allegory
This was what I was looking for. Thanks for taking a serious question seriously. Very informative!
i think borges will end up using both of them like saban used ingram and richardson. use both backs and keep them energetic and fresh.
Correct I think Michigan will use both backs like Saban used Ingram and Richardson, or like Saban used Lacy and Yeldon. I fkn hate alabama....
Neither of these backs are a Yeldon type back
Let me clarify. I meant that Michigan could have a strong 1/2 punch with two good running backs like Alabama has had for a while.
Yes, neither of these backs are a Yeldon type.
Green could be like Eddie Lacy, but Michigan won't have another back like Yeldon/Richardson/Ingram. The pickings are slim behind him (if he comes).
Question is, do we need a second back like Bama does. No question our offense will be built around power running, but just looking at Borges' recent offensive schemes and his time at SDSU, I think downfield passing will be a bigger part if our offense. McCarron had 314 pass attempts this year. Ryan Lindley had 421 Borges' last year. And that was with a Ronnie Hillman. I don't think we really need to look to Alabama as a complete model. We'll both favor downhill power running, but I think we'll be throwing the ball a lot more and wont necessarily need a second 1000 yard rusher to make the O work. I'm more worried about the lack of playmakers at WR since our passing game seems to need superior athletes to win 1-on-1 match-ups and stretch the field.
a two back system never hurts if you have the talent to back it up, a la Alabama. But I agree, running two for the sake of two and taking you best RB by a mile out of the drive just to change things up is just silly.
that doesn't sound very strong...
According to Scout, he is set to announce at 4 p.m. Jan. 26. Just saw it on their forum.
Derrick Green is the real deal. If we get him, watch out
After seeing highlights of both of them, I think Smith is more of bowling ball type back, who bounces off of first contact and goes for an extra yard or two, where as Green is likely to make the first defender miss and pick up an additional 4-5 yds or more until someone brings him down from behind or multiple people get to him. IMHO Green is the back who gets the ball on 1st and 10, Smith is the back who gets the ball on 4th and 1. Neither of them seem to possess that extra gear once they get in the open field to break away, but both are hard to bring down once they're moving. Personally I come away more impressed with Smith after viewing his highlights, but Green's the number 1 back in the country for a reason.
I don't have an eye for talent evaluation. But I keep hearing that Green's competition in High School was more competitve than Smith's. Green landed the number 1 running back slot in the class going against very good competition. The fact that he ended up being rated as a 5 star against strong competition is why I'm excited about him.
Don't get me wrong I'm psyched that we landed Smith and look forward to him coming here. With our running game not looking so great, it's easy to get excited for Green once we already have a highly touted back coming in this class with Smith.
the level of competition that Green has faced is superior to what Smith has faced, which could very well affect how their highlights look.
Exactly, I wrote the same thing in a response to someone else at the same time you posted this.
Yes. If you want to watch a video of DeVeon Smith being too slow to outrun a bunch of scrawny white kids and cutting back numerous times, here you go:
Of course, Mike Hart didn't play against the toughest competition and had a similar need to cut back instead of ever flat-out outrunning somebody. But slow running backs aren't ideal, in my opinion.
I understand the issue of different levels of competition, but to me Green and Smith look pretty similar. Relatively little shake-and-bake, mostly running north and south, and they don't go down on first contact. Neither one looks like a burner to me at all.
I wouldn't say either one is a burner, but Smith looks slow-ish and Green looks fast-ish.
You should mention that those are Deveon Smith's junior highlights. A player can get a lot better from junior to senior season (as shown by one Derrick Green imo). Not saying he has, just that it should be noted.
Those were great highlights of Smith and all, but did anyone else see the block at about the :50 mark?
No love for Wyatt Shallman?
No. Especially if Michigan snags Derrick Green, I don't see Shallman getting a sniff at the tailback position except maybe an occasional jumbo package on the goal line.
It was more or less sarcasm, depending on how you interpret it.
I know... I'm just not sure what the whole Shallman recruitment means. I mean, I really just don't get it. Unless the coaches were just feeding him a line to get him on campus before moving him to defense or something. It bottles my mind.
I can see him on offense as some sort of FB/TE/H Back, type deal... maybe a short yardage back... although just for the fun of it, I wouldn't mind seeing Hurst in that role...
I can see that, too, just not as a tailback.
In which kind of bottle is your mind bottled?
If Michigan gets Derrick Green, I think Green will win the job by his sophomore year (perhaps even freshman year, depending on Fitzgerald Toussaint's health). Smith would likely be relegated to a backup role.
If Michigan doesn't get Derrick Green, then I think we'll have a stable of ineffective running backs (Rawls, Hayes, Smith, Shallman, etc.) and I'll once again hope for a gamebreaker in the 2014 class.
Two things will help getting a gamebreaking back, a strong offensive line play, and more touches for the current backs... As much as I loved Denard's running ability, through taking away their touches he was one of the reasons why an elite back would have second thoughts about coming to Michigan.
"we're running either left or right, try to stop us".
I wish I could claim to be able to evaluate running backs. I was wrong, wrong, wrong about Mr. X and Mr. Y and a few of their cousins. With that in mind, I really like the way Green runs. Of course, without closely watching game film it is almost impossible to judge speed and power.
FWIW I played against Smith is high schoool, not to be negative but the kid is way overrated. Plays against little to no competition. Obviously Hoke sees somthing in the kid, maybe becuase of his stats but he is nowhere near Big Ten ready, maybe in a fews years with training at Michigan but as of right now he can't play. I actually believe his brother Lance Smith who played at Wisconsin is much better than him, and Lance wasn't out of this world good. That said hope he does well for us at Michigan and wins us some games, just keep and eye on him when he shows up for camp
And you are referring to him as "kid". How old are you supposed to be? That story just doesn't add up, sorry pal.
started against us as a sophmore, grew up watching his brother play for the same high school. I think it makes sense. Oh and im 20 so i guess not young, nor old haha
If D. Green goes Blue how many times will Michigan fans find themselves yelling "GO GREEN!" when he bust's through the line into open feild?
Imagine if Smith changed his name to White. Fans would cheer for Green on one play then root for White on another...