Great OSU reaction video post-Northwestern

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"I don't know what is happening and it makes me insane."

I thought initially this was a fan.  It's actually a Cleveland columnist.  

SD Larry

October 31st, 2016 at 9:32 AM ^

Epic "Did we win?" rant by OSU media.  "Don't did we win me" complaint to OSU fanbase

about OSU staff is priceless.  These are good times.  Thank you.  

  

UM Fan from Sydney

October 31st, 2016 at 9:30 AM ^

I say again - that is the most spoiled fanbase in the country and it's not even fucking close. Five losses for Meyer as their coach...since 2012. One national title. What more can you realistically want, OSU fan? You're not Alabama. The only team that is Alabama is Alabama. Fuck off. You fuckers have no clue how good you have had it since 2002. You take everything for granted. Piss the fuck off.

I Love Lamp

October 31st, 2016 at 10:06 AM ^

They are the only major CFB power I can think of recently that hasn't gone through a dark period. And by recently, I mean like the last 25 yrs. And it may be even longer than that since they've last sucked, I guess I'm not interested enough to look. But yes, go 3-9, 5-7, 7-5 3 straight years, then have a year of success followed by 3 more years of mediocrity and see how that shit feels. Idiots really don't understand what they have. Humble pie is kind of bitter, but it's good for you. Changes your perspective.

UM Fan from Sydney

October 31st, 2016 at 10:47 AM ^

I am fine. You should tell your fellow fans to just chill out, man. They're the ones freaking out about a victory. Who the hell does that, too? Who gets mad after your team wins? If Michigan won by one point every game forever, I would not care.

In the words of the great Dominic Toretto - "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile...winning's winning."

Hard-Baughlls

October 31st, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^

It's not a video game.  

OSU and Michigan are incredibly talented teams, but shit happens and getting an offensive rhythm and defensive scheme down takes time and can vary throughout a season.

I think OSU expecatations (win every game by 30+) got out of hand after the Oklahoma beatdown.  They are very young, and despite Meyer's coaching brilliance, youth catches up with you despite talent.  Also, as I have said, the young guys may be hitting that wall from never playing this many snaps, just like an NFL rookie often hits the wall in the 12th game of the 16 game season.

As for UM, we dominiated the Sparty game and went in to a shell to avoid a flukish loss.  I don't really like Lloyd/Tressel ball, and would not have expected it from Harbaugh, but that was a 2+ score game the entire game, so I don't think MSU did anything to really expose an obvious flaw in our team...other than we are probably not Alabama, which most of us know.

OSU, I feel, has been exposed as their offense can only work with an accurate RPO QB, complimented by a great power running game.  Barrett seems to be struggling and until they can run for 5 yards a carry out of the read zone, or find another Cardale Jones, I don't think their immediate issues go away.

That being said, OSU's defense is very, very good and makes explosive plays / turnovers that can flip games around. Should be a good one in November.

buckeyejonross

October 31st, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

Don't disagree with much of that really. Only contention is JT has been really pretty good, especially against Wisconsin and PSU. 

Outside of Curtis Samuel, OSU has no explosive playmakers, just a bunch of solid role players. What made OSU's 2014 offense so good and explosive, regardless of JT or 'Dale at QB, was Devin Smith and Ezekiel Elliott. JT is the same as he always was, but deep passes were open to Smith, and long runs were there from 'Zeke in 2014 that aren't there now.

The explosive play well has dried up, and JT is a "move the chains" runner, not a "score a TD" runner like Braxton was. Braxton bailed out the offensie with explosive plays by himself in 2012 and 2013 when Hyde was the RB and Devin Smith was a more of a bit player. JT can't do that. QB counters with Braxton went for 60 yards in 2013. They go for 8 and a 1st down with JT now.

OSU needs to hand the ball off to Samuel more, in straight RB looks, because he is the only offensive player capable of outryunning everyone. Mike Weber is a good and physical change of pace, but he's not a home run threat, and it's hard to go on 12 play TD drives 4 or 5 times a game.

yossarians tree

October 31st, 2016 at 2:52 PM ^

Nah, I am overall happy we got the win--though I did badly want to blow them out by 50. The blow-out hype was less expectation than just pure blood-lust. Vengeance was in order after last year's debacle and the historic run MSU has been on in this rivalry. If that nightmare play wasn't enough, the fucking Sparties were gloating about it all year--when the gods reach down and grant you a 1,000-1 miracle on the last play against your biggest rival, you can't gloat. You thank the gods, you celebrate. But you do not gloat. Unless you are a yahoo fan base with an inferiority complex.

it's Science

October 31st, 2016 at 9:47 AM ^

Sarcasm on my part. I think maybe the "z" makes him totally rad? Like Urban was a pope, whereas Urbz is a cool Oakley wearing brah that has a Bill and Ted style guitar riff play every time he says something sweet.




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Epic-Blue

October 31st, 2016 at 9:34 AM ^

Burn out? The have the youngest team in college football. The best recruiting class in CF. He beat the shit out of Michigan and Harbaugh last year. Being a homer is one thing, but let's snap back to reality here.




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DonAZ

October 31st, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^

I can only speculate as to what mental demon Meyer is wrestling with ... but speculation is what gives life zest, so here goes ...

... I think Meyer's objective is the victory, and anything short of winning every game just eats at him.  At Florida he saw the handwriting on the wall with Saban: Alabama was going to prove a tough slog every year.  The circuit breaker popped, and he left.  I'm not sure he truly learned the lessons he claimed he did prior to taking the OSU job.  He's a 20amp breaker dealing with 19.99 amps right now.

Contrast that with Harbaugh ... who I think strives for victories every bit as much as Meyer.  The difference is, I think, that Harbaugh enjoys the process of achieving victories more than Meyer ... and, frankly, more than almost everybody.  Plus, Harbaugh has this remarkable ability to put losses into a box, seal it up, and move on.

Saban is a bit of a mix of the two.  He's built an absolute monster of a program with talent to burn, so for the most part it's a question of not doing dumb things and he'll win most of the time.

M-Dog

October 31st, 2016 at 10:02 AM ^

Harbaugh enjoys the process of achieving victories more than Meyer

This is a key point.  They are both insanely competitive and want to win everything.

The difference seems to be that Meyer (and Saban to some extent) hate everything else except the winning part.  Harbaugh is nuts and loves it all.

The true test is how these guys act when they are not winning.  We've seen some of it from Meyar at Florida and Saban at the NFL and MSU and it's not pretty.

Ohio State was Meyer's dream job because he thought he could win everything in the Big Ten without having to keep up an insane lifestyle that was burning him out.  

And he was right until Harbaugh came along. Harbaugh is insane.  How is Meyer's "contract" with his wife and family to not overwork going to square with competing with Harbaugh who overworks everything . . . and loves it?

Ohio State on cruise control may be able to beat Hoke's Michigan, but it won't beat Harbaugh's Michigan.  Harbaugh is the worst thing that ever happened to Meyer and family.

 

AFWolverine

October 31st, 2016 at 10:16 AM ^

Re: your point Meyer at OSU until Harbaugh came along. I think the beginning actually comes with Dantonio and Narduzzi getting OSU's number a couple times, and generally figuring out how to hassle their offense. On the flip side, with Harbaugh at Michigan, Meyer now has to deal with two teams who can beat him regularly, and Michigan also being able to keep pace in recruiting, which MSU cannot. I told every one of my Buckeye friends, which is a lot having grown up in Ohio, that Harbaugh will be Meyer's Saban in the Big Ten. I put his remaining tenure at 5 years or less.

stephenrjking

October 31st, 2016 at 11:04 AM ^

I think this corner of the thread is getting a bit over its skis. The fact that OSU lost a game (at night, on the road) and then struggled against one inferior team at home does not mean that Meyer is losing it, burning out, or about to fall apart.

Hard-Baughlls

October 31st, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^

of him no dealing with losses very well, and only enjoying the wins for a short time period.  SImilar to Saban, but Nick seems to rebound emotionally more quickly.

Harbaugh really enjoys every aspect of the process - hates losing, but eats up everything football which probably makes losing more easy to swallow.

Watch Urban in any close game, pacing up and down the sidelines like a degenerate gambler down to his last hand. You don't see that type of panick out of Harbaugh.

Different characters.

Njia

October 31st, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^

Meyer's focus is completely to win. No matter how close, he's happy to get it; but when the victory is in doubt, like it has been at times this season, it really eats at him. I have to believe that he probably goes home to kick the dog after a loss.

Harbaugh obviously loves to win - and there's no substitute for it; but he is really excited about everything it takes to plan, train, and execute on the road to victory.

buckeyejonross

October 31st, 2016 at 10:57 AM ^

What handwriting on the wall did Urban see, re: Saban? UF and Alabama are in different SEC divisions, they rarely play in the regular season.

Urban's last season was 2010. Florida only played Alabama in the 2011 and 2014 regular seasons. Didn't/doesn't have them on the schedule in 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, or 2020 (granted, it seems the '18-'20 SEC schedules aren't finalized yet). So what would Urban be running from? At worst, he'd have to play Saban/Alabama once per season most of the time, just like he'd have to at any other FBS school. I know it's a fun narrative to say Meyer saw Saban at Alabama and ran away from him, but c'mon. Insanely successful people like Meyer aren't afraid of anyone else in their fields. They can't be. 

That's like me saying Harbaugh saw the challenges in the NFL after losing a Super Bowl in 2013 and falling out of the playoffs in 2014, so ran back to college. I'd sound like an idiot. 

DonAZ

October 31st, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^

At worst, he'd have to play Saban/Alabama once per season

That's right ... first Saturday in December in the SEC championship game.  Lose that game, and the whole season is gone. 

Look ... I started my post above freely admitting I was speculating ... so it's not like I have some locked-in knowledge of anything.  I'm just sayin' that based on external appearances, Meyer is a guy wound tighter than a drum**.  Hell, he admitted to that post-Florida, and he waved his arms about how he vowed to change his ways at OSU.  Well, has he?  Time will tell.

** And I say this as a fan who has a great deal of respect for Urban Meyer.  I think he's a helluva coach, and will clearly go down at one of the greatest in the game.  His record everywhere he's been speaks to this.  He's just tightly wound.

buckeyejonross

October 31st, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^

My point is, lose on the first saturday in December to Saban once or lose on the first Saturday of January to Saban once and it's the same result. It wasn't like he was at LSU with a 50/50 chance of having his season end in October. 

At Florida he was basically fast tracked to a winner-take-all SEC title game showdown against the other best coach of his generation. He was 1-1 in that scenario. That's not appreciably different than having a winner-take-all CFP semi-final showdown with Saban, imo. 

DonAZ

October 31st, 2016 at 1:50 PM ^

Fair point.

If it was Meyer's objective to avoid Saban altogether he would have stayed in his broadcasting role, or taken an FCS job. 

Still ... who walks away from the Florida job ... and why?  It's one of the top five or so jobs in college football, and he'd won two championships there.  It's in the most talent-rich areas in the country, and he was a virtual god-among-mortals there. 

His reason -- he'd lost track of the importance of balance in his life, and his health and family suffered.  So he stepped away.  Fair enough.  Good for him.

He claims he learned his lesson and is applying those lessons to his role at Ohio State.  If so, then more "good for him."  I don't wish hardship on anyone.

But man ... he still looks tightlly-wound.  I hold to my original hypothesis that Meyer is one of those guys that sees anything less than perfection as failure.  And that will eat a man up.  By contrast, I see Harbaugh as hyper-competitive but able to compartmentalize.

(I think I heard somewhere that Meyer holds an opt-out clause in his OSU contract in the event the Notre Dame job opens up.  Not sure if that's true or not, but if true, and if Brian Kelly flames out at ND ... then I hope Urban Meyer thinks twice before taking that pressure cooker job.  I hope that for his own sake, and for Michigan's -- I think a decade or more of Meyer and Harbaugh cheerfully slugging it out at the top of the college football pile would be great for Michigan, Ohio State, the Big Ten, and college football.)

M-Dog

November 1st, 2016 at 3:27 PM ^

He claims he learned his lesson and is applying those lessons to his role at Ohio State.

The problem for him is that it may not be his choice anymore.  The lesson to take it easier and "unwind" more only works at a place like Ohio State if you can still win everything there is to win.

Can you still win everything while competing with Harbaugh who is constantly going 1000 mph to get just 1% better to get just 1mph faster?

The thing with Harbaugh is that all his insane effort is not just wasted effort.  It really does pay off.  His coaching is very creative, very sophisticated, and constantly getting better.  There is a payoff to all that effort.

I'm not sure you can compete with that and still be home at 7:00 for dinner.  You will have to match intensity with intensity if you want to beat him.  

Goodbye "contract".

 

UM Fan from Sydney

October 31st, 2016 at 10:53 AM ^

Wow. You're such a bad ass, man. It was Jim's first try as the Michigan coach with a depleted defense against OSU. Just give him time. Clearly he has shown he, too, can build a team to be great. Meyer walked into a loaded team with a great quarterback. Harbaugh likely would have went 12-0 in year one with that team, too.

buckeyejonross

October 31st, 2016 at 11:09 AM ^

You are really overselling 2012 OSU's roster. It was very good, sure, but was inferior to the 2015 Michigan roster. None of the players that carried OSU to the 2014 title were on the 2012 team. They all were freshmen in 2013.

2012 was true sophomore Braxton Miller playing wildcat QB all season. He was far from a "great" QB at that point. An argument could be made 5th year senior Jake Rudock was better than true sophomore coming off 6 starts under Jim Bollman Braxton Miller.

Njia

October 31st, 2016 at 11:45 AM ^

Probably for even suggesting that it's appropriate to get negged, but...

I agree that I don't think Urban's issue (to the extent he has one) at this point is specifically Harbaugh. I think it's more about not having a 100% assurance of a win.

That may change if the rivalry with Michigan/Harbaugh tilts decidedly north.

BlueMetal

October 31st, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^

I don't know if it's an indication of him burning out but I'm pretty sure him kicking the shit out of Jim Harbaugh in their one matchup wasn't the catalyst. Sure, Jim is making urban work a little harder for those recruits and Michigan is looking more and more like that dangerous team we want them to be but maybe we could, like, beat them a couple times before we claim our coach as the reason for their less than perfect season.