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i find this extremely interesting
i may have altered the title
i thought this was america
like I said on twitter: that was almost as intense as Iowa NIT games
...talks about how UConn hasn't been in contact and how they're out. (HT: UMHoops)
Jalen, Burke, and Simmons.
Mike Hart the heavy favorite in the trolling competition
just what the Pistons need: a third string center. Joe Dumars was replaced by a mean ol' alien a few years back you guys.
this would be a close approximation of hypothetical graduation speech
no you guys they're just super pumped about COLLLLLLLLLLLLEGE
not a surprise
premature congrats. One thing we can be sure of: he'll take fewer asinine penalties than Abdelkader
Thanks to ugly transitions between Fulmer/Kiffin/Dooley/Davis, Tennessee is on the edge of APR penalties for football.
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I think he covers it all quite nicely.
but not OT
Eating is murder.
It's great to see that the Ohio media have decided to actually report and investigate the program instead of simply obeying the Scarlet Wall of Silence and being shills for the team. I refuse to believe that any sports reporter who has worked Columbus for even one football season doesn't know how corrupt they are.
Now, it appears as though editors have given the green light to reporters to put the TSIO football team under the proverbial microscope. They are going to find a lot of bacteria and parasites.
Hasn't the Columbus Dispatch broken an awful lot of the scandal?
It's all John Navarre's fault.
what makes this whole situation better is the ol' sweater vest has the awful book out now that constantly talks about how tsio does it the right way.
The Buckeye hate is coming down on his head very soon, if it's not already.
This is the guy who was fired from a radio station for criticizing Tressel.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
He lost his job at a Columbus radio station for earlier anti-Tressel comments.
Didn't he write the initial Dispatch article? He's just a Hatin like Herbbie and Spielman.
Edit: DAMNIT slow typing.
Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.
"Similarly, Tressel’s sterling 9-1 record against Michigan would be a middling 5-5 mark if adjusted to reverse games won with headline players (Clarett in 2002, Troy Smith in 2004, Terrelle Pryor in 2009 and 2010) who were in violation of NCAA rules at kickoff of those games against the Wolverines."
I know we'll never know what would have happened, but this statement just pisses me off to no end.
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It's numbers like these that raise my blood pressure. Years of agonizing over a football game each year and hearing coworkers rub my nose in the result should never have happened. Ugh it makes me want to throw up.
And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan
The 03&04 game is the only one I can find were they didn't play a player that recieved extra benifets. 01-Pittman,02 MoC,05&06 Troy Smith,07 Ray Smalls,08,09&10 Pryor
They only have the word of one agent from the SI article on Santonio Holmes taking money. That'd give us a perfect 10-0.
Michigan is above all of that. Michigan must strive to win no matter who is on the field for the other team. Think of it this "what if" way: Had Michigan beaten the nuckbuts even with ineligible players, think of the 8,000 pound elephant that would be sitting on that extra tid-bit.
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I wonder if the radio station that fired Hooley for his "anti-Tressel statements" two months ago had any idea what they were unleashing on their beloved Buckeyes?
Every article Hooley has written on this subject has been spot on. And it truly is stunning that the power brokers at OSU still somehow believe that keeping Tressel is a net positive. As Hooley points out, OSU has become a national laughingstock. What Tressel and the players did was wrong, but by merely slapping Tressel on the wrist with a 2-gameday suspension and a fine that did not even equal his performance bonuses last year, the institution is damaging its "brand" in a much more serious and permanent way.
"I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove anything." B. Simpson
"The clear message Ohio State is sending by retaining Tressel, despite the lying Ohio State admits he engaged in, is that winning — even if it requires cheating — is preferable to playing by the rules."
Go Blue! Always!
That no matter what happens, tOSU administration would rather go down with the ship than cut the anchor loose. That can't look good to the NCAA. But, knowing the NCAA's appetite for clubbing a high profile program (none) I don't expect much of anything from that group but a lot of hot air.
The NCAA needs to be careful. Their reputation is as much on the line right now as OSU's. With all of the scandals hitting the airwaves at once, the association is looking pretty crooked as a whole. The worst part about the whole thing is the attitude of non-surprise from everyone. These scandals could significantly hurt the cash cow for a lot of people.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia - but only slightly less well-known is this: Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
Would be not only to give OSU a bowl ban, but also restrict them from BCS bowls for as long as anyone associated with the volations is employed there, seeing as Tressel and staff worked so hard to keep inelligible players plyaing for their most recent bowl game.
I'd love it!
"Sure, after two years, you can go back to a bowl.... As long as it's the Minikee Auto Care Bowl".
Completely. The problem, I have zero faith that the NCAA will do what seems to be so blatantly necessary to even casual observers around the country.
I used to want us to be the ones to knock them off their pedistal, not the NCAA. Not anymore. As new revelations roll in almost daily and Smith and Gee refuse to even slightly retract their support for Tressel I now see that the whole institution is crooked.
Burn 'em to the ground!
This story is why I want to beat them so badly whether Tressel is the coach, or not. I don't have one bit of respect for his resume. Everything this man has accomplished is tainted with the stain of cheating. He is a liar, a cheat, and a complete phony. I lack even the smallest amount of respect for this man (which I hesitate to even call him one. A man has dignity).
"The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just." -Abraham Lincoln
This is the quote I always tell my students about doing the right thing. I think it applies to the Athletic programs in this country that refuse to hold them selves to a higher standard. As I've stated before, I'd rather finish 0-13 and running my program the right way. What message are we sending High School players across the country? I'm truly worried about the state of this game that I love dearly.
There's a famous moment in English history, in which St. Thomas More is speaking with Cardinal Wolsey. The Cardinal tells Sir Thomas that a "man must some times dirty his hands with iniquity to serve the greater good." Sir Thomas being a man of impeccable morals, dipped his hands into a nearby bucket of water and said "I deal with the spiritual element, it wants not for corruption, and never leaves a mark." Granted, in a business like College Football has become, morals would appear to be few and far between.
I'm starting to wonder if my doubts that anything major would happen to OSU were wrong. I know that usually the big money makers don't get hit that hard, but with the national coverage of this thing, and how dirt keeps coming out, it seems the NCAA may be forced to come down hard. They have said of late they want to get tougher, and they denied USC's appeal, so maybe some tangible punishments will come of this. Although I still feel that OSU may just be setting up Tressel as a fall guy and kick him to the curb once everything is out to lighten their penalty.
Yes, tOSU is holding on to JT so the shitstorm has somthing to stick to. Once they think the majority of the laundry has been aired out they will fire him.
"Wasn't that Michigan drive just great. That's like Patton riding into Berlin." ~Bob Ufer
Personally I think the vest must have something on some of the higher ups. Why else would he still have a job. While any other University would have already named a new coach, there is no sign or hint that he may be out. That being said I hope they don't fire him. Imagine how great it will feel when even though they cheat they still can't beat Hoke.
Oh how I hate Ohio State
Good Point. But look at my post above yours in response to the post above mine. I think they need a fall guy.
Gee's office. I give him a week.
I work with a couple of tsio wonks who have let me have it for the last few years, it is nice to see them sweat now and avert their eyes when I walk by (insert smily face here)
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Sooner or later, this is what will stick a fork in Tressel. Hooley has bluntly called out the administration and the board: Just what sort of purported legitimate academic institution stands for this sort of behavior? Herbstreit and Spielman get it. It's amazing the people who run the joint haven't figured it out.
I bet they retain Tressel because he's solid gold in Columbus but fire everyone else around the program because they are expendable and didn't do what they were supposed to do, perform a successful cover-up
If they fire Tressel he can tell the NCAA about everything he knows and it won't hurt him. By keeping Tressel it prevents him from working with the investigation to really uncover the corruption.
Actually, it's the exact opposite. If they let him go and give him his full buyout, he may be persuaded to not say anything to the NCAA--and no one could make him.
My thoughts were that the bad blood from his firing might motivate him to work with the NCAA to get back at his previous employer. Its all speculation.
...is the amount of attrition that occurs as a result of NCAA actions.
My guess is every Jr and sr somehow transfers into auburn. They seem to always have room for free agents
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C - bus. It might be JT's contract. Dang tOsu coaching out clauses!!
I am getting the feeling that the major jist of the SI story is going to be a comprehensive look at the misconduct that has been committed up to this date and the possible consequences of those actions. We are all phsycing ourselves up for some big revelation that will finely blow the lid on this barrel but I dont think we are going to get what we want.
And really, even with another big bombshell I cant imagine that THE Ohio State University would quit now. I mean if they have stuck to there guns for this long then why stop now? Why give them the satisfaction? This is just terrible for college football and I am so very glad that I am a fan of a school that has a much better defined sense of integrity, honesty, and sportsmanship.
Does it seem to anyone else like the way that Tressel weaseled the game suspension later in order to let the TatGate 5 play in the bowl game is likely to cause the NCAA to stick it to them even worse? To me, it makes it seem more like they are thumbing their noses at the rules. At the exact time that Tressel needs the NCAA's support, I'd think that would make them even more antagonistic towards him. Kind of a, "we worked with you and trusted you, and you burned us" thing. . . .
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A lot of hopes, dreams, and prayers on this board are resting on that very supposition.
Abort, Retry, Fail?
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This article sounds like it was written by a Ohio version of Drew Sharp. While both Tressel and OSU deserve all the crap they're getting for how dirty the program has been, the article includes multiple fallacies (such as saying that Tressel's record against Michigan to 5-5 because they would have lost without certain players who should have been inelligible), fails to even acknowledge arguments in favor of the university on things like Maurice Clarrett's allegations against the school, and simply tries to be as inflammatory as possible.
5-5 was being extremely generous to OSU. If half of the allegations are true, there would be so many ineligible players that 0-10 would be a very reasonable guess.
First of all, Pryor wasn't inelligible by rule in 2009 based on what we know thus far. And Clarrett and Smith are stretches too. So the only game on that list should be 2010 if you are simply looking at inelligible players and counting games with important inelligible players as losses.
But even if we include all the listed games, it remains highly unlikely that Michigan wins in 2009 or 2010 even if Pryor didn't play. I say this because OSU killed us by stifling our offense and shredding our defense on the ground. I'm reasonably comfortable saying that '02 and '04 would have been wins if Clarrett and Smith were out, but not '09 and '10 for Pryor. So that's a 7-3 record for Tressel, rather than 5-5.
Now, I personally believe that OSU has been dirty as hell throughout Tressel's tenure and that we would have a much better record against OSU this decade if they had followed NCAA rules. But it has yet to be proven that OSU regularly cheated throughout the decade. Therefore, the assertion that Tressel's record against Michigan was inflated by cheating is questionable, and stating such an assertion as fact through an outlet that heavily caters to OSU fans is as inflammatory and pointless as any Drew Sharp article.
Please provide a brief summary of the article when you make posts like these.
If you have time to create the post, you have time to add a 2 sentance summary.
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While the author of the article in the OP has questionable motivations, here is what appears to be a neutral observer coming to the same conclusions.
More of the drumbeat. I can't imagine Gee and Smith survive this. Gee has become the posterchild for the school administrator being corrupted by the sports program.