I mean great coaches without great coordinators aren't that great. The RR experiment probably proved that to some extent.
What Meyer does bring in is great recruitment and a good brand value.
I mean great coaches without great coordinators aren't that great. The RR experiment probably proved that to some extent.
What Meyer does bring in is great recruitment and a good brand value.
I keep seeing Mike Stoops mentioned....Stoops is doing some good things at FSU, and he'd do well at OSU as well. But I can't imagine he doesn't have his ears to the ground for another head gig.
I think you're confusing Mark and Mike Stoops. Mark Stoops is the DC at Florida State. Mike Stoops -- whose name is the one connected to Ohio State -- was fired by Arizona last month and is currently out of work.
Side note: Mike Stoops' defenses were awful at Arizona the last few years. There's definitely some GERG similarity there, which makes me question Meyer's supposed desire to bring him in.
Oops, you're right. True enough. In that case, Mike Stoops uber alles.
Mark is the guy at Florida State, and he's an amazing coordinator.
Mike Stoops was "co-defensive coordinator" (didn't know that was a job) at Oklahoma under his brother Bob for awhile, and by all appearances, he didn't have a lot to do with their success. He's better known for flaming out spectacularly as head coach at Arizona and yelling at his own players and generally whining a lot. No temperament for coaching at all.
Seems like he left Florida a lot worse than he found it. He also had the benefit of Mattison helping for a couple of years. I think there are still some questions on him on all fronts. He had a great run at Florida, but that is no guarantee of future success.
Didn't Florida have the #1 recruiting class like 2 years ago? Where are those guys? What's all this cubbard is bare stuff?
and didn't like what I saw."
Urban's been gazing at himself in the mirror too long.
The front 7 consists of 5 dudes with 5-Stars. Only GERG could turn that cupboard bare.
Nobody has yet stated the obvious - Mattison has worked with Meyer. For three years.
Mattison knows him. He knows how he coaches. He knows how he gameplans. He knows how he psychs his kids up. He knows how he recruits (and Mattison is better at it).
And yes, Meyer knows all this about Mattison, but it certainly seems that Meyer is nothing without great coordinators, whereas Mattison is a great DC no matter where he goes.
I don't know how valuable insider info might be in this case, but I feel perfectly confident and comfortable knowing that Mattison has been in Urban's inner circle.
The New Ten Year War (or maybe 5 Year War when Urban bugs out). Bring it on.
Actually, I have already stated it at least twice this week. I also noted that Mattison was able to help ND beat Michigan more than once with inferior personnel because of his knowledge of LC's offense.
Actually in his tenure of coaching, the only team that fielded all players that he recruited was his last year at Florida...I believe they were 8-5. Is he that good of a recruiter? Time will tell. He never stayed around long enough to show a full rotation of development with his own players at his first two schools.
Can't say I honestly agree with the article, but all of this bad publicity is great for Michigan.
makes you disagree?
Granted, Meyer has been a winner at everywhere that he's been, but he definitely rode Tim Tebow to amass most of the "big ticket items" on his head coaching resume. As well, Florida was CERTAINLY a disaster last year; Muschamp's inheritance of talent was sub-par.
In addition, the behavioral problems of teams coached by Meyer (almost 2 dozen Gators arrested over his tenure with highlights like using a dead girl's credit card, assault, etc.) are pretty stark. Those kinds of shenanigans will be acceptable in Columbus, too, but for a school that is very much on notice by the NCAA, I'm not sure he's the best fellow to clean things up.
He is certainly a good coach, but I definitely think OSU overestimates the coach they are getting; he is not the Urban Meyer of 2006 with a hall-of-fame QB and a program unburdened by NCAA sanctions. Time will tell.
He's also responsible for recruiting Tebow, and he got a hell of a lot of mileage out of him. I don't believe that every coach would have gotten as much out of Tebow as Meyer did. Sure he relied on Tebow a ton, but isn't that kinda that point? Every coach has their star players ... Where would Carr have been without Woodson? RichRod without Pat White/Steve Slaton?
Mattison was the main guy who recruited Tebow.
The thing with recruiting Tebow is that, and Urban has said this, is that the main recruiter was our own Greg Mattison. Meyer called him (Greg) the beat recruiter he's worked with.
It was Mattison who recruited Tebow.........
I think the "health problems"/"family time" reason for Meyer leaving was legit. He has spent some time off, and in his own words he has seen how other coaches do it and is willing to try it again without taxing himself too much. You can't just look at a coach leaving when talent is going and say that was the reason why he left (the same thing could be said of Lloyd in that case). And what's the point of saying "he's nothing without his coordinators"? Havent we all agreed that one of the best parts of the Hoke hire was his ability to get great coordinators?
Also, about the behavioral problems: it certainly was a problem at Florida, and some of that is on the HC, but he was very strict when it came to disciplining those players. Best case scenario would have been nobody gets in trouble with the law, but when they did they were often kicked off the team.
You could certainly make the argument that he is an overrated coach; his last two stops before Florida have done fine without him, and he was lucky enough to get Tebow (recruited by Mattison, btw), but this article is dumb. If it were written about Hoke we would all be upset about it and you know it.
you wrote: "He has spent some time off, and in his own words he has seen how other coaches do it and is willing to try it again without taxing himself too much."
this is some kind of joke right? you think OSU is going to pay a guy 6-7 million a year to take it easy? this isn't howard schnellenberger at Fla Atlantic. this is fricken OSU. he better go all out immediately or the fans/admin will be all over him. ask earle bruce.
I believe that he thinks he has found a way to tweak his coaching formula to allow for good health. We'll see if it works for him. Regardless, my main point stands.
you think urban went into the interview with the AD and Prez and said, "hey guys, i'm willing to come here for 2-3 times more money than i was making at Fla, but i'm not going to put in the time i did there, for my health's sake".
and then OSU said, sure urban, take it easy. we just want you here.
it's certainly possible, but i highly doubt it.
Add to this the fact that he starts with his wife and kids on his back. Notice, though, that Meyer called the OSU his "real" contract. The pink paper family contract was not the "real" one. I don't wish the man or his family ill or anything, but this could be an epic meltdown at tsio. Put it this way: which would you rather have, an up-and-comer who is all-in and who has complete family support or a guy who has already secured his reputation, has questions about his ability to be committed, and whose family support is worse than shaky? In other words, give me Hoke over Meyer big time.
hiring great coordinators, delegating, and managing you balance. (Brady Hoke seems like a good example here.)
I relate to how easy it is to get farther and farther out of balance over time, and then wake up one day and realize whoa, I need to take some time off and regroup. Especially if it is your youngest child's senior year in high school, and you've missed a bunch of their childhood. (If you throw in the internet rumors about a possible affair, this even adds to the step back and get your priorities in order scenario.)
Now it is a year later, his daughter is headed off to school, and he has had a chance to step back and figure out what he wants to do differently.
I suspect there are many of us, who would like to be in the financial and career position to take a one year sabbatical, and be able to step back into our game once we have had a chance to reset without significant consequence.
The part about being nothing without coordinators is that rumor is he's going to hire some less-than-spectacular coordinators. If that's the case, then he's not that scary.
Orson over at EDSBS used to joke about how ... 'understanding' Meyer was when his stars got into trouble (and if you're not familiar, he's an enormous Gators fan.)
So where the hell are you getting the notion that Meyer was "very strict about disciplining those players"?
Still doesn't answer my question....does he enjoy peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or what?
My favorite quote is "I don't think Ohio State is broke." A reflection of Ohio State education. They have millions and just paid Tressel a hell of an exit fee. Of course Ohio State isn't broke.
Like Hoke would never make a small mistake like that.
He said there was no deal in place and ......awww screw it. He lied his ass off. Not unexpected, just my gut feeling but he has always came off as slimy. All the articles are right. Urban and Ohio are perfect for each other.
everybody knows the coach hiring process speak code. "Brady Hoke was the only person I offered the job to" = "Our people discussed offering the job in round about terms with Jim Harbaugh, but in the end it he decided to stay in Palo Alto and coach in the NFL." i.e., they would have offered the job, only if he would have take the job.
In this case Ohio State had not officially offered the job, but their people had reached that point of an outlined deal that would lead to an offer.
This allows all sides (hiring school, coaching candidate, ultimate coaching hire) to save face until it is a done deal, and in some cases, one side to renegotiate their contracts for their current jobs.
(All this in contrast to the Bill Martin coach search technique.)
That is a breath of fresh air amid the general media halitosis reacting to the hire. I read somewhere last week (sorry, can't remember where) that Meyer said his biggest problem at Florida was having his coordinators poached. He blamed that for his health problems, saying he couldn't delegate. So in the negotiations with Ohio he was demanding very high salaries for coordinators. It'll be interesting to see who he gets and how much they get paid.
finally someone in the mainstreet media reported what i was thinking about the meyer situation. his QBs af florida sucked, as the article points out all 3 did, and he didn't want to endure at least 3 years of sucktitude. so he quit.
ya, i'm sure he got all the quality familty time he needed this past year. what BS.
now, he goes to OSU with a huge pay raise. ya, they may face sanctions, but even so, they will probably reign in top 3-4 recuiting classes in the BIG the next couple years. and he already has a young QB to run his style of offense.
Salaries won't matter much. If you're a good coordinator at the B1G level, you go onto a HC position where you will almost always make more anyway. But the prestige and control over your own program is really what drives these kind of people to an HC position. It is very rare that you get a Tom Bradley or whatever the Iowa's guy's name is that has been there for like 10 years. Only if they want to be a coach in waiting will they probably stay.
I'm just going to relax tonight and not start any urban Meyer threads.
It's probably already been said in a roundabout way on the boards (the Urban Meyer threads are merging into incomprehensible, formless beings unto themselves), but this is an image move for Ohio if anything. He brings the potential of good hires at coordinator positions (not to say he'll get them, but his name has weight), a reaosnably clean image (by Ohio standards) and the potential of good recruiting. He can fill what is essentially a vacuum. If it is a short-term move, he could probably set it up so a future hire can simply maintain the ship if not improve it.
Man, I don't have any problem with how this coaching search was handled. Quite frankly, when Urban said he hadn't signed anything, he was probably telling the truth, technically. That's how those things usually go.
I don't think his success is as foregone of a conclusion as people believe. Certainly, he comes in to a fanbase with ridiculously high expectations after Tressel. Some people thought Nebraska was poised to dominate the B1G, or that Wisconsin would just roll over everyone, or that Rich Rod would peanut butter jelly time everyone into oblivion. Watching bowl games lately, beating B1G schools seems so easy. But it's not.
I've seen rumors that Urban is thinking about hiring Mike Stoops. An offensive spread guru at a B1G school hiring a recently fired head coach whose team turned into a tire fire? I think I've seen this movie before...
whose defenses took an unexpected turn for the worse just before they arrived, and
will be operating with fewer than the NCAA maximum scholarships (one through attrition, one through sanctions), and
who inherit very, young o-lines that may or may not be that talented or a good fit for the new offense, and
who have the next great freshman QB ready to explode...only to transfer before spring practice....ok, maybe not this one.
I think he is a perfect fit. He brings an "image" just like Tressel did. I think his image is about as genuine as Tressel's so a perfect fit. The quote about his retirement comments ringing holow is accurate. He'll have some good teams, probably even great, but he has no substance and karma will catch up in my opinion.
Knowing whay we know about Meyer and football coaches in general do you really think he would leave Florida because of a lack of talent? This is just stupid and lazy reporting.
He had monster recruiting classes and if those guys weren't panning out he could just go and get new ones. He lived in the recruiting top 5.
Many of the most successful coaches have been afraid and shy away from top competition, no not really.
Why is everything a tinfoil hat situation?
Meyer is a workaholic, type A, perfectionist , control freak and drama queen. He got burnt out, thought he could change his life and then realized taking walks with his wife and watching girls volleyball were really fucking boring so he's back. Pretty simple really.
because he was FORCED to after getting caught having a affair with a 24yo GA
then abruptly resigning..
that and the NCAA was sniffing around Gainseville due to the Cam Newton Scandal..Lets all remember he went to Florida FIRST..How miuch did that set UF back?
I agree with winterblue in saying enough! Be happy that the rivalry is back and that we have an outstanding coaching staff. I expect this behavior from sparty! Oh no! Its the big bad Urban Meyer.... Who cares. We will be fine...better then fine. This is Check out Mitch-i-gan Loves McGary presented by @fancite. http://fancite.com/magazine/mitch-mcgary for God sake! GOBLUE
Urban Meyer, Brady Hoke laughs at your lame excuse for a point:
This is just amateurish. Is he pointing or giving the Hook 'em Horns salute? He'd better bone up on his pointing if he wants to win the Game.
This point says, "Um, uh, yeah....you."
Hoke's point defies words and moves people on a primal level.
Pinky out makes the point a bit dainty, like he having tea. It's a toast point.
Ain't no party like my nana's tea party.
Furthermore, Urban Meyer poops poop....
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and an actual LOL. Best comment I've read today.
No matter what anyone says, there is no truth to the rumors that URBAN MEYER CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH 5 COEDS WHILE AT FLORIDA.
... are a massive jerk.
but I've also hear it reported by a numer of unrelated sources that URBAN MEYER CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH 5 COEDS WHILE AT FLORIDA.
Oh come on. That's about as realistic as saying CRAIG JAMES KILLED 5 HOOKERS WHILE HE WAS AT SMU.
Why, it's not like I'm saying that URBAN MEYER CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH 5 COEDS WHILE AT FLORIDA.
Stop saying that URBAN MEYER CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH 5 COEDS WHILE AT FLORIDA. That is pure speculation.
It really is a shame, all these rumors that URBAN MEYER CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH 5 COEDS WHILE AT FLORIDA. It's just a shame they keep being spread.
From the comments. Enjoy:
Everyone is wrong to a degree here. I called this conspiracy 2 years ago. I saw the writing on the wall. When U of F handed it to the Buckeyes in the national championship, the Ohio State board of trustees decided they wanted him... and BAD! Problem: Jim Tressel was still firmly intrenched. They put a plan in action and created the scandal they needed. Tressel was set-up and fed to the wolves without him even realizing it. They wanted Meyer. They put a bug in Meyer's ear about the plan, and then Meyer found a way to exit "gracefully" also leaving a year cushion not coaching to throw people off the scent. I have to say, it was a brilliant plan, and it worked to a T. Meyer and the OSU board of trustees have what they wanted now for 2-3 years.
that is just impressive conspiracy theory-ism. i'm in awe. i didn't realize osu had so much control over the federal government, but the rife investigation shows just how far their power reaches.
Urban Meyer was on the grassy knoll!
Well, he's right. Urban came into Florida with a relatively good team from Zook, and great coordinators of Mattison/Strong and Mullen. Strong and Mullen are HCs now, and Mattison left to the NFL after Florida. Mullen and Mattison got him Tim Tebow as well.
Despite my hatred of all things Ohio I have to admit that Meyer is a good coach. His overall record is 104-23. At Bowling Green he took a 2 and 9 team and turned it into an 8 and 3 team. At Utah he went 10 and 2 in his first year and 12 and 0 in his second. He won two national championships at Florida. That is as good of a resume as you will find in college football.
The real question is what is going on in his head. The ending at Florida was strange with the retirement, return and then another retirement. Did one year off allow him to get his head strait? Once he steps into the irrational mad house that is Columbus will the problems that drove him from Florida resurface? Time will tell.
If Meyer has his shit together and returns to being the coach that put together the above resume he will be a tough opponent for years to come. If this happens I say all the better. Hoke appears to be a great coach who can put together a hell of a staff. He has probably 15 years to build a legacy to rival the great coaches of Michigan’s past. Part of building a great legacy at Michigan involves what it always has, defeating great Ohio teams. I think Hoke is up to the task.
Hokeamania will live forever
That is all.
Well it wasn't with little boys and nobody caught him so he is still wholesome enough for tosu.
Urban is a wimp. He leaves Florida because he was afraid of losing. He cant stick around and actually coach a team through losing games. Everything has got to be perfect in little Urban's world or he will jump ship. The buckeyes will be shitting Urban Meyers before long.
Mullen was his OC all along the way. If "spread guru" mean he likes the spread and had a OC that was very adept at the spread offense, I'll buy that.
he can't come out a few hours before The Game and say they've offered. How would the players take anything Fickell said seriously? (Err, did they all year? Maybe Bauserman.)
Great coach, recruiter, our battles with mordor will be legendary now. Also a liar and creates a culture where players can enjoy the fruits of living above the law, fits into the silken glove of deceit OSU wears like a charm.
Here's to Miller watching from the sidelines as Dernard hangs 50 on them in the Toilet Bowl next year.
Here, for what they're worth, are Florida's recruiting rankings at Rivals for the past few seasons:
2007: 1 (5th-year seniors for the '11 season)
By at least one measure, he probably did not leave a bare cupboard for Will M.
Yes, as we've seen, those rankings need to be considered carefully. Look at the past few NFL drafts for UMich and the '05, '06, and '07 recruiting classes. Complicated ...
we cannot let the awful rumor that URBAN MEYER CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH 5 COEDS WHILE AT FLORIDA spread. Urban Meyer is an upstanding man who would never have CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH 5 COEDS WHILE AT FLORIDA . We must stop this terrible rumor at once!
Meyer has changed the course of fidelity., Never in a million years would I think a coach could have CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH 5 CO EDS WHILE AT FLORIDA. Hell, people are buying Harry Rheem t shirts !
To anyone who wants proof that Meyer will do good things at tsio. Look and take a count of how many threads there are about how bad of a coach he is.
A hatchet job. A passive-aggressive one, at that. All-around, not very good.
Also, i must have missed the part where Urban Meyer cheated on his wife with 5 coeds while at Florida. Hm.
I told my boss at work... I give him two years, tops. He is over-rated. He needs the spotlight and loves it like few else. He will find that this team is going to be 8-4 or 9-3 next year (Purdue will still own them) and that won't be good enough. And then in 2013 there will be expectations of a national championship--unfair or not.
He took the money and ran with it. Can't say I blame him. He is a shuckster though. No doubt about it.
"It's Calipari-to-Kentucky perfect. The marriage of Urban Meyer to Ohio State is a game-changer for college football, a move that will propel Ohio State back to the top of the national heap with such velocity that it will pull along the rest of the Big Ten in its jet stream."
Note that later on Doyle says Meyer won't have the sort of immediate impact Saban had on Alabama.
"But once Meyer gets his hands on Ohio State's recruiting, watch the rest of the Big Ten get stronger as well. It'll have no choice, unless Big Ten teams are OK with 49-14 losses to the Buckeyes. Ohio State will be that good. Rest of the Big Ten? You better keep up".
Doyle must be completely unfamiliar with Tressel's recruiting success in the state of Ohio.
" As a true freshman, Miller has thrown for 997 yards and run for 695. He has run or thrown for 18 touchdowns, with just four interceptions. He's not a great passer, but neither was Alex Smith at Utah. Neither was Tim Tebow at Florida."
Leaving Tebow alone, Smith completed 66% of his passes and threw 47 TD against just 7 INT his sophomore and junior years.
"Plus, the biggest negative that chased him out of Florida -- the intense media scrutiny that wore him out, just as it wore out Steve Spurrier -- won't be at Ohio State. Hey, that's a fact. As someone who attended Florida and spent my first decade in newspapers in that state, and am now in my eighth year in Ohio, I'm qualified to tell you the media scrutiny on the Buckeyes isn't close to the scrutiny on the Gators."
Wait til he goes 8-5 a couple years in a row with losses to Michigan in each. Then we'll see how that goes.
This Doyle fella is every bit as stupid as he looks.
Honest and Meyer in the same sentence? Your joking right?
I think Hoke has changed the tide on the rivalry. Hell people in Ohio need to pay a guy $4 million a year to have any chance of beating Michigan. Never in a million years would I have thought that. Giving press conferences that don't involve the phrase "SEC speed" is a good start.