DrewGOBLUE

March 5th, 2015 at 11:43 PM ^

The biggest benefit of staying in college another year would have been the opportunity for GRIII to work his way up the draft boards to become an all but certain first rounder, IMO. I'm not sure how much contract logistics come into play, but it seems NBA teams tend to give their first draft choices a lot more leeway and time to develop.

One instance is Gary Harris being on the Nuggets' active roster pretty much all season. For as much as Stauskas has struggled, Harris has unfortunately fared significantly worse, having barely a .25 FG%.

I suppose it's also possible the coaching at a select few college programs may actually be better (Michigan potentially being one), than what players get in the NBA, especially the D-League.

Ty Butterfield

March 5th, 2015 at 11:20 PM ^

Not too surprised but he may catch on with another team. At least Nik has a guaranteed contract but I wouldn't be surprised to see him out of the league soon as well.

MichiganMan14

March 5th, 2015 at 11:51 PM ^

At least 3 years. Projection is such a crap shoot and as dominant as Nik was last year...he is averaging 3-4 ppg in a shooters league as the #7or#8 draft pick. These kids left too early. All of them could have benefited from staying in school. We have a money chasing mentality at Michigan and it's getting our kids burned more than its helping them to lengthy careers. I really hope that Caris stays and completes his development and avoids this crap. He will be a 21 year old draft eligible senior. He needs weight gain and refinement. The NBA is no joke and they will cut you unless you're undeniable. McGary was the only player physically dominant enough to have made the jump this past year. Nik was an elite offensive talent but is struggling adjusting to the speed and strength of the game. Of all the kids that left early recently, Trey and Tim are the only true homeruns. Mitch has shown flashes of brilliance but not as consistent. Manny...Darius both flamed out and never justified the jump on the court. GR3 was just cut by the Minnesota TWolves...... We need to remedy ourselves from this Money Chasing Mentality that we have at Michigan. Kids need to leave when they're ready and not when they're draftable. There is a big difference.

freejs

March 6th, 2015 at 10:41 AM ^

your posts in this thread are terrible. 

Yeah, the NYK are a fucking joke, but it's notable that if Phil Jackson could scrap every last thing as he sees fit, he'd still hang on to Tim.

You keep denigrating him as a role player, when that's simply not what he is. Nice attitude. You're so intent on trying to make your stupid points in this thread that you're eager to dismiss the success of one of our guys who actually is making it in the NBA. 

Pathetic. 

freejs

March 6th, 2015 at 11:38 AM ^

with Melo out for the rest of the season. 

It's notable that on a roster where almost no one is indispensible, Tim is one guy that Jackson seems to actually want on the squad, going forward. 

He's done a great job in New York, and your attempts to minimize that are as pathetic as everything else about your posts in this thread. 

DrewGOBLUE

March 6th, 2015 at 11:12 AM ^

With Burke, for every couple good outings he has, it seems like he goes cold the next night.

A little over a week ago against Denver, Trey shot 67% for 19 points in just 23 mins while adding 4 assists and 4 steals...that's pretty damn good. Then a couple days later against Memphis, he went 2/11 for 4 points with a few assists.
It's kinda crazy how up-and-down he is, but that will probably improve over time.

Regardless, even after Exum replaced Burke as a starter, Trey has still been the more productive player by far. With the Jazz being out of the playoff picture, though, they probly figure they might as well get their lotto pick some more experience.

bryemye

March 5th, 2015 at 11:57 PM ^

Not sure he has an NBA game but it would be hard for him to see the floor on that team.. Too many similar players. 

Maybe he grinds and catches on somewhere eventually but it will be a real battle for sure. 

Wish he could have come back to school but I kind of don't blame him, just because he would have been played in a position where he was asked to guard a different position than his potential NBA spot. 

MichiganMan14

March 5th, 2015 at 11:58 PM ^

I can't stand MSU but Draymon came to the league ready and look how it benefitted him. We need somewhat of a culture change at Michigan. This jump to the draft as soon as possible thing is not working out as planned. Kids need to leave when they're impact guys at the next level. Is it that bad to be a basketball player at Michigan? Why do kids stay at MSU, Wisky and OSU but not UofM?

MichiganMan14

March 6th, 2015 at 12:40 AM ^

I understand that kids want to monetize their talents and fully support that. I just think kids are coming through Michigan and consistently leaving too early under Beilein. Manny...Darius...Nik?....GR3. Mitch was a special case and an idiot for getting popped on an NCAA test. Honestly, think about the Senior year Manny could've had Or the junior years Mitch, Nik or GR3 couldve had. It's kind of sad to think about. Now we are here again and a potentially MONSTER senior year awaits Caris. Going into the league fresh off of a recently injured foot without the opportunity to work up into the draft and having steadily slid down the draft boards for 3 months should be a concrete reason to return. If he goes it will be against a lot of draft logic and will seem hell bent in my humble non-important opinion. I'm all for kids going to the league and getting paid...but when theyre ready and primed to be successful.

JOHNNAVARREISMYHERO

March 6th, 2015 at 1:29 AM ^

A guy like Delladova from St Mary's wasn't even drafted, but he is on the Cavs and just being a game manager.   He got on a team with a veteran roster and is just asked to keep the team afloat.   I know the situations aren't exactly the same, but its all about getting on a team and having a coach that has a role in mind for you.  

People say he could have went after his freshman year.  But he didn't.  You can't leave after your sophmore year because you regret not leaving the first time.  

Why is everyone in such a rush?    These guys get a solid education and have zero loans to worry about.   

Why not try and work yourself back into the first round - there is no way any information told him he was a first round lock.  If there was, then he was severely misled.    The reality was a second round spot was the MOST LIKELY landing spot.   

I said it at the time these guys were making there decisions.

Do you want to PLAY in the NBA or do you want a CAREER in the NBA - if you want a CAREER-its better to develop in college, because one wrong turn or move as a second round pick and your are a journeyman.  Once you get labelled a journeyman, you will always be the easiest to cut, you aren't a real investment to the team.   

JOHNNAVARREISMYHERO

March 6th, 2015 at 1:20 AM ^

I know that Marc Jackson caught a lot of heat during his time in Golden State, but he carved out a role for a guy like him.   He was told to be a guy to do the little things, take charges, tough defense, etc.    I don't necessarily think it was anything from his time with Izzo.  

Novak frequently shut him down and he was about 4 inches shorter.  Green kind of made himself into a version of Novak imo.  

If you are a second round pick, its all about getting someone to like you and be willing to work with you.  They have to want to develop you and realize it might not be automatic.  A spot like Minnesota was a nightmare situation - a team that has one of the worst playoff droughts, didn't win much when they hate respectable talent these last few years, etc.

Thats why you have to be a top 15ish pick.  Otherwise no one will wait on you.  Unless you go to OKC or the Cavs type teams with established players, you are going to be asked to do too much.  

Mcgary got into the perfect spot.  A team that has a core and he will be an energy and emotion guy.  He will provide good minutes and he will grow week by week.  

Stauskas landed in a bad spot as well.  Thats why I wish he would have stayed.   He had a hell of a season, but why exactly couldn't he continue to develop his game.  As you can see, there were already rumors of him being traded.  They don't want to wait on you.  

Stauskas needs to be on a OKC type team, the Cavs - a team that is being built for a chmapionship run.

But I agree with your point.   We need guys to stay and develop.  Caris Levert is an exceptional player, but teams with NBA talent (Arizona, Ohio State) were shutting him down quite a bit.  

I know he is one of those guys with a lean frame, but he needs to add 15-20 pounds more muscle if he is going to last in the NBA.   Plus if he is getting hurt in a 30 game season, how exactly is he going to last for 82 games with guys a lot bigger and stronger.  

The whole he has to go know to avoid getting injured again is a cop out.  No, you have to just stay healthy. 

 

 

JOHNNAVARREISMYHERO

March 6th, 2015 at 2:56 AM ^

The safest projection was a second round pick.    I don't know why you leave 2 years on the table for that.      Your second contract is usually where make the big money, but the key is to make yourself enough of a player to get that.    Hopefully he lands somewhere, but getting lost in the shuffle before your first season over is not good.

JOHNNAVARREISMYHERO

March 6th, 2015 at 10:09 AM ^

Thats even more troubling.  His stock fell.  That's reality.  You have to keep improving as a player.  Even with Stauskas, you can't just be good one year and think you made it.   This is the risk you take when you want to gamble on yourself as a second round pick and think you can trick the system. Teams don't wait on you whether they let you play or you barely play.     Take out the risk and invest in yourself while in college.  If you don't, this is eaxctly what happens the majority of the time.    

DrewGOBLUE

March 6th, 2015 at 11:36 AM ^

All things considered, it's likely in the player's best interest to go pro if they're a probable lottery pick. If Stauskas had stayed another year, it's hard to imagine his game improving enough to justify the risk of falling in the draft.

And guys also have to consider the depth of the current/upcoming drafts. Burke made the right decision to declare in 2013; with that class pretty thin on talent, especially at PG, Trey probably got a more favorable contract.

JOHNNAVARREISMYHERO

March 6th, 2015 at 10:14 AM ^

Hopefully some of our recent players struggles turns a light on in Levert's head.  People say Levert has the most potential of the bunch, but he never dominated like any of the others.    You have to stay healthy as well.  Leaving because you fear you will get hurt again is silly.   The NBA is a lot harder and more than twice as long as a college season.  If you leave because you are afraid of getting hurt, you have already lost.