After all of the complaining this year about Borges' playcalling, today may have been his best game yet. His strategy for Denard today was flawless and the offense moving forward looks to be in great hands with Gardner and Borges at the helm.
Gorgeous Borges Appreciation Thread
amen to that
Iowa's defense just sucks
Iowa was ranked #29 in scoring defense heading into today's game, #60 in rush D and #50 in pass D. Not particularly stunning defensive stats, but it wasn't a cupcake to play against either.
Borges and Gardner do seem to gel quite well.
I really appreciate the offense today. But why did we unveil it one week before Ohio? Anyone else think this would have been a nice new wrinkle for next week?
Borges has a track record of doing that actually. Remember Minnesota 2011? We came out with all these new looks against we were on the way to shutting out anyway. I think it must be that Borges just feels more comfortable test-driving his new stuff against a body bag.
To make them think about it and have to prepare for multiple offenses. I'm calling for a Denard jump pass at some point next week.
Why would you want them to prepare for something if you're planning to use it? The only way this benefits you is if you don't plan to use the plays in the next game, which I guess could be the case.
You really think we're better off based on your explanation, than if they hadn't seen 1/3 of our offense at all?
they have to prep for Denard vs. Devin and crazy new plays vs. zone read vs. Manball. More importantly, they have 1 or maybe 2 data points off which to make assumptions. It's easy to change the play slightly to take advantage of the overscouting by OSU.
I think it's the right move.
Perhaps Hoke should send them the film on Thursday like Ohio did to State.
And there are a limited number of hours to prepare. So if you're doing one thing you're either not spending the time preparing for something else (maybe your bread and butter), or only half preparing for everything, and none of it very well.
You get a much bigger benefit in my view if you unfurl a complete surprise. Much more likely to get a defensive bust and game-breaking play.
I think a more plausible explanation for this is that you want to run things in actual game situations to make sure they actually work and the kids are comfortable running them.
You know we can run entirely new stuff next week as well. tOSU will spend the week adapting to handle everything we showed today, while Borges can spend the week adding new plays at his leisure. For all we know he only gave away 20% of stuff he has planned with Denard and Devin just to get a test drive in and we'll come out with the rest of it next week.
Denard had to get on the field today; and better a real contribution than some token appearance.
Because we wanted to win? Also because we could see how it worked - looking good on offense but D will be key next week. Next stop Mattison!
This is just to give OSU more things to spread themselves thin trying to prepare for, when in reality we still have entire sleeves with more things up them!
What makes you think that Ohio *hasn't* been preparing for Denard at RB?
They still have to stop it.
I'm ok with it. Now Ohio has to prepare for it. They have to prepare as if Denard is going to be the starting QB. They have to prepare for Devin as if he's going to be the starting QB. They also have to prepare as if Denard is going to play. Regardless, they'll be busy this week in practice.
To get a chance to rep it in real conditions? Because this was the first week DENARD was capable of doing it?
And the players for executing well.
I wonder if we will see some sort of wildcat package in future years since the inverted veer has been so effective. Great gameplan today and I think it was appropriate to unveil it today giving our team game day experience with execution and forcing the buckeye defense to prep for all sorts of new wrinkles. Go Blue!
Iowa's defense is below average but we all saw some promising stuff in a little over 3 quarters. LOVED the throwback screen to Smith with Denard as the other RB. Devin was extremely accurate today and Denard showed he can help the team even when he can't throw it.
I think he might be able to throw it, but this fact has been kept under wraps in preparation for a special play next week. With the triple reverse call today, we could see how much time Denard would've had to throw and the fact that the safeties immediately attacked the ball once it was in Denard's hands, instinctively assuming that he couldn't throw.
I think the past two weeks and test-running the play today is all a setup for a triple reverse pass to be used next week. Think, when ohio is gameplanning and watching tape, they're going to all assume Denard can't throw it... until he launches a bomb over the overly-aggressive secondary to a wide open wide receiver!
Denard doesn't even have to throw it that accurately; with the masterful planning of Borges and Hoke, I guarantee you'll see Denard launch one deep early in the game next week, probably after running it a few times "because he can't thow."
Borges > Fickell
They showed way too much today. In the 2nd qtr when it was apparent this game was over they could have saved the screen pass and the rest.
Where was this all year?
Awesome day all around but frustrating as well.
think that was the point. Could potentially give Ohio far to much to game plan for. I'm worried about our D being able to handle them more than our O being able to score points anyway.
didn't like the end around that required 47 pitches but other than that....sweetness!!
on his game today.
RE: Fitz - no word on what it is but apparently he's in surgery right now, according to SB Nation.
Did you see the picture? Someone posted it earlier, but it looks like his ankle/lower calf area was bent at a 90 degree angle as he was being taken down. Doesn't look good for the rest of the year, just hope he can make a full recovery.
Random aside, is there possibly something to do with the way that Iowa plays that causes a lot of injuries to RBs? I mean, I'm looking for some reason to explain the rash of injuries to their own stable and along with this/any other RB injuries to other teams. I'd suspect teams that cut block a lot have a ton of lower-leg injuries, so is there any reason that Iowa seems to injure a lot of running backs?
my only qualm is that Denard ended up taking a ton of hits. Hopefully we didn't reaggrivate anything
One of the things that I think people miss is is that we still do average 383.3 yards of total offense per game this year to date, and while that is 8th in the conference, it is actually only a 5.3% drop in average total offense per game from last year, which is at all tragic.
I would totally agree with others and say that this was perhaps his best, most cratively called game this season - and we burned Iowa for 513 yards as a result. I think this might be one of the first times it really looked like a West Coast offense through nearly the whole game, using passing plays to stretch out the defense and then setting up for either some beuatiful bombs or some nice runs.
Still, with Denard Robinson even able to take limited snaps, you make a team plan for two different schools of thought on offense, and even with Denard able to serve as a TB or RB, you have a situation where the defense still is forced to wonder about Denard as well. Borges has an excellent problem that many OCs would like to have, I would think. It certainly fooled Iowa anyway.
Under Borges, this offense is going to do some awesome things in the coming years - I think you can see the genesis of it now.
AWWW YEAH!!! I got my own appreciation thread on MGoBlog! MY LIFE IS COMPLETE
I've been saying since Borges was hired that he's the best man for the job going forward. I'm not saying 'I told you so', but... I don't know how to finish that sentence.
I think Borges likes to try new/gimmicky stuff against patsies because against good teams he tends to not actually use that stuff. The benefit of it is therefore to make the good team(s) think they will have to defend it, rather than actually making them defend it. We saw very little of the crazy Minnesota 2011 offense against anyone else, and I doubt we see much of the new elements introduced today against OSU or in the bowl.
One problem with this hypothesis is that we don't know how many of Denard's RB carries were actually planned versus how many resulted from Fitz's injury. If it turns out that Borges is as unimpressed with his other RBs as he seems, it might be that he keeps and even expands on some of the Denard-as-decoy or Denard-as-throwing-threat trickeration simply because Denard will be on the field most of the game and he might as well.
He called a tremendous game, no question. He clearly (rightly) had no respect for the Iowa secondary. They got embarrassed badly out there
He shouldn't have any respect for OSUs secondary next week with how Gardner is slinging it. Wisconsin had a few throws deep that should've been caught but the WR couldn't keep it in.
The best play. triple reverse? Lol
Despite the announcers' confusion, that play was "just" a double reverse. Smith takes the pitch on a sweep, pitches to Gallon on the reverse, and Gallon pitches to Denard for the double reverse.
That is an excellent point. I immediately concede.
You're obviously someone who had another, or multiple, accounts, and were banned. Probably for the same redundant butthurt posting you have here.
What's more sad...someone who's here a lot, or someone who claims they hate it here, has been told (more than once) they're not wanted around here, but just keeps coming back again and again just to be a dick? I think you know the answer...
You profess to have intimate knowledge of getting banned for "innocent things." So this probably isn't your first rodeo. Unless you were taking about all those other people you've paid attention to getting banned "for only speaking the truth."
And your whole motivation for "posting for the first time" more than reveals your dickishness. Not to mention your whole last paragraph of your first post. Or simply the fact you decided to post in the "Borges Appreciation Thread" how much he and Michigan sucks. Kind of an asshat move, especially for a "first post."
And oh, the butthurt is strong in you. Deny all you like, your words betray you. "Sure is better than the 3-9 we had to endure several years ago when the program was attempting to break out of its regional power status."
You don't like the board, the posters, the way the blog "oppresses you/people", and apparently Michigan Football very much...so why do you keep reading/coming back? Either you're stupid, an asshole, or a glutton for punishment. Or some combo of the three.
And most likely have before. Two years the ago my views you hate were probably the dissenting opinion, but somehow I survived without getting banned. Why? Probably by not calling the coaches stupid, fat, and failures based on nothing but "But I wanna see the spread whhhaaaaaa!!" and insulting mods for volunteering to do a thankless job by keeping guys who have no motivation to be anything but an asshole on the boards off them so rational people can enjoy it. Kinda like you. Because you bring nothing from venom. And homophobia. And poor spelling.
I didn't "attack your original post"; I just called you out for what you are. Someone trolling the members of the board. Your post was too stupid to debate. And the fact that all you can bring is insults about points shows you've got nothing. All these "stupid guys" you throw insults out at have accomplished far more in life and for Michigan than you ever will. At least bring some reason to it.
There are lots of people who disagree on here. Very few get banned. Someone like you doesn't like me? I wear that as a badge of honor. I don't even know what a GVSU mafia is, but you admit to pissing off multiple groups of people, so congrats. You must be so proud. The fact that this is your attitude after a big win tells us everything we need to know about you and your agenda.
To your accusation that Hoke isn't all that bright. A lot of what you said in your previous posts could have been said politely without attacks at posters or coaches and gotten your point across with greater aplomb. The fact of the matter is that Hoke, from what I can see, is a frickin' genius. What greater measure of a man's worth than the people he surrounds himself with and his ability to know his own capabilities. Brady Hoke has surrounded himself with amazing coaches (Greg Mattison is generally regarded as one of the best coaches in his position ever. Mallory, and the job he has done with the secondary. Montgomery, and his work, not only with the defensive line but also on the recruiting trail.) He knows what he does well. Hell, fans from other schools keep telling us what a dweeb he is because he doesn't wear a headset. Seriously? He does that so that he can spend more time paying attention to the kids. And that's really the heart of his greatness. Brady Hoke is more interested in turning kids into good men. And that is something that cannot be said of your so called geniuses like Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly. Men whose players continously show themselves to be thugs without respect (untold arrests at Florida/kneeing a cop by Rees.) Hell, your example of Urban Meyer, how well can you really know yourself if you can't let go of the game long enough to ensure your own health? That's your measure of brilliance? That's what you consider bright? I would rather have Brady Hoke than Urban Meyer literally every day of the week and it isn't even close. Watch it unfold. Urban Meyer will have his success at Ohio State. Briefly. He's never spent more than five years at a school and I wouldn't expect him to spend too much more time at OSU, no matter what their homers say about decades of championships. Meanwhile, Brady Hoke is building a program we can be proud of for years to come. Please stick around. It should be very exciting.
Maybe if you had more than 1 point you could make your own appreciation thread.
Well i guess we can all look forward to the day you have enough points to start a thread.
This was one of the most impressive game plans i've seen. Borges is experienced, creative, and gifted.
I wasn't a huge fan of the triple reverse, but I loved the speed option after handing it to Denard. Nebraska ran that against Michigan and got a TD on it last season and I remember Hoke and Mattison sharing a bemused look afterward.
I've told you guys over and over again: Play calling was hardly ever the problem. Execution was. There were countless times we had guys open downfield and they were missed from poor execution. Be it overthrows, poor offensive line protection or what, but Borges normally calls the right play for the given situation.
Well, sure. Coaches love to talk about execution, but if that's all that mattered there'd be no reason to have more than one play in the playbook. I was never off the Borges wagon, but this debate between playcalling and execution is always pointless. It's always about execution, but smart situational playcalling is how you put your guys in positions that make execution possible.
Smart situational playcalling requires that you have a number of plays you can execute to choose from. I love Denard as I'm sure the entire coaching staff does but let's not pretend he didn't shrink the playbook along with Borges' options.
The triple reverse in the first half blew my mind...
Loved the denard option as tailback. Great wrinkle!
Totally not thread worthy, but since this is the Gorgeous Borges appreciation thread I have the right to thread-jack. I found this awesome headline:
"College Football: Texas A&M, West Virginia, Missouri Among Teams In Conferences"
In other news-worthy information: Navy, Notre Dame, BYU Among Teams Not In Conferences.
Pos bang on the win... but this thread I don't agree with. I don't see the coaching rising above the talent on the field on offense. Gardner and even the threat of Denard were major factors in this game. Iowa was outclassed. Michigan has plays and players. Beat Ohio.
Get well soon Fitz. Way to go out Seniors. Congrats on beating Iowa.
Can I have my points back?
Aside from KR/PR, this is what I was speaking about.
Hail Hail Denard!
Who has thought that Borges-Robinson relationship has been round hole-square peggish and have mostly blamed borges, I have to say I was thoroughly impressed with today's play calling. Not that what I think matters but Borges called a creative and effective gameplan today. Especially when you consider the limited practice time.
Such a glorious afternoon by whipping Iowa, sending off seniors with a resounding win, and watching Borges go pro style. "Mulitple" stuff can disappear - especially if our OL run blocks.
Good luck to the Bucks to prepare for all that plus the other O seen during Weeks 1-11.
I have to give credit to Borges today- he called a great game. He truly earned the gorgeous nickname today.
Like others, I have been a bit frustrated at some of his calls in earlier games, but today....today it was a good day. Cue Ice Cube song....
I love what the offence has looked like these past few weeks. My one complaint from Lloyd's offences was the lack of a downfield passing game even though we regularly had better athletes at WR and QB than almost any of our opponents. I love that we continue to challenge deep and hope to see even more as we continue to upgrade at multiple positions talent-wise.
I have certainly not been one of the posters who barks FIRE BORGES! as if he's the sole reason we're not 11-0, but I don't think the guy is walking on water either.
I will go back to what I said before the Alabama game: the difference between 8-4 and 12-0 this year is whether or not Denard can throw the ball.
After an off-season of hope, some good talk from the coaches in press conferences, and general faith in humanity, I believed that Denard would take a step forward as a passer this season. He didn't. The coaches take some of that blame, but let's be honest: Denard will never be a throwing QB.
It's not Borges' fault that his offense has been limited by having a QB that is essentially a RB. That said, he didn't always call a game that suited to that fact (see ND). By the same token, you simply can't beat a good defense without QB that can threaten in the air and on the ground
Bottom line: Yes, Borges called a great game today. He is who we thought he was--an experienced, smart, successful OC that wasn't experienced or smart when it came to working with a QB that couldn't throw. But no OC could have made our offense into a 'Bama-beating machine with Denard at QB...you can't win if you can't throw.
Borges is Borges. I think he's a great OC, but he's had his issues this year. He called a near perfect game today, but that's much easier to do when you have a QB that can throw (DG), a RB that's a threat to score every time he touches the ball (Denard), and WRs that are running crisp routes, catching passes, and getting YAC (Gallon and Roundtree). For lots of reasons, he didn't have any of those weapons against 'Bama, ND, or especially Nebraska. Chip Kelly and Urban Meyer couldn't have called a game that would have beaten 'Bama or Nebraska this year with what we had earlier in the year.
Also, the interior O-Line has sucked this year, which isn't Borges' fault. But it is why we see the waggles and roll outs that people here hate. Remember, the alternative is an A-Gap blitz that ends with DG's face in the turf.