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“Retire.” RT @joevardon BREAKING: OSU's Gordon Gee to retire. bit.ly/14t8bE8 …
He was perfect there.
Looks like Tressel finally got around to "firing" him...
May have won the internet....+1
The best joke I've seen so far (from Twitter and Reddit):
"Gordan Gee is retiring to spend more time with Urban Meyer's family."
always good for a story
My favorite was tweeting from an empty arena about how electric the atmosphere was for a basketball game that wasn't taking place until the following day.
Interesting non-I-HATE-OHIO factoid in this announcement:
Both Michigan and Ohio State will be searching for new Presidents at the same time. Wonder if this will play out like the football recruiting battles?
Both institutions will almost certainly hire people who already have respective ties to the university, and I'm not sure any Michigan candidates would have Ohio State ties.
MSC didn't have any U of M ties before being hired as president...or did she?
I can't find any definite links.
I'm speaking more about this upcoming election in particular; every list of candidates I've seen involve almost exclusively people with Michigan ties.
While Michigan and OSU compete on a level playing field in football, no serious academic would ever pick OSU over Michigan--unless he or she was offered lots more money by Ohio, and money was the primary motivator for the decision. This is more like those classic Michigan v. Purdue recruiting battles.
What you are saying is that Michigan wins the recuiting battle unless OSU offers more money?
Terrelle Pryor wants to know how that isn't just like football.
Despite the hatred, it's still a top notch public institution. Maybe my sarcasm meter is off, but you'll be hard pressed to find too many public university gigs outside of UM and Berkley better than them.
In the conference alone, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota are much stronger overall universities.
are you measuring by the size of endowment? i think OSU's is bigger than the institutions you list...
You got me on endowment -- only Minnesota's is bigger than OSUs among that group; they're all pretty close but any three of them combined is less than Michigan's.
But in World University rankings, http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012-13/world-ranking, it's
There are, of course other rankings, but they tend to fall out the same. The rankings aren't like star ratings. They take into account not only the general excellence of the universities but also their breadth and depth of study. i.e., the higher ranked tend to be the "bigger" ones, in terms of how many high-ranking departments they have.
In other words, it's great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
My wife says i'm pretty well endowed
In the midwest that's possibly true although Wisconsin is probably rated a cut above them academically. Then they're in a chasing pack with Illinois, Minnesota etc., as above.
Nationally, other than Berkeley which you already mentioned, UCLA, UVa, UNC Chapel Hill and UT Austin would generally be considered to be stronger academically than OSU. Those institutions are typically considered to be U-M's peers among the state flagships.
I wonder if Tressel will hire him to be the Akron president.
He is retiring because his Foot-in-Mouth disease has reached the critical stage.
And somewhere in Ohio, a bowtie maker is weeping softly into his hands. As he sits, alone, the realization starts to set in that his son, young Harold Jr. will no longer be able to make a living by plying his fathers trade. Harold Sr. also realizes that his retirement security has been whisked away, and he'll now be forced into a role of servitude as a Walmart greeter until the day he no longer walks the Earth.
It's a fucking Shakespearian tragedy...
Haha. A minute too late I was and yours is much better. Bravo.
The bow tie maker saw the writing on the wall when Dhani Jones was busting out his bowties. . . Harold Jr. is beginning his apprenticeship in the fall.
And somewhere in Ohio, a bowtie maker is weeping softly into his hands
You're not knocking Dhani Jones's business, are you?
Nope. But Dhani should probably look at diversifying his product line to include men's hosiery, before Plaxico corners the market.
Plaxico will shoot himself in the foot sooner or later.
/had to say it
And this occurred not long after Harold, Jr., who formerly made and had an Ohio degree in sweater vests, had been retrained to make bow ties.
Somewhere a bow tie company just gasped in horror.
Mine's more eloquent.
Can't you let me compliment you first too? Jeez I can't catch a break. Haha
Haha... That all happened within the course of a minute. Touche...
I was torn between a Orville Redenbacher Popcorn joke and decided to rush a bow tie one out instead, too late and poorly constructed. You win 1484....this time!
All right, Hoke vs. Meyer, the ultimate recruiting battle: who's going to snag the consensus 5-star president?
Retiring, or fired by Urban Meyer?
Did Tressel make this happen ?
i can't wait for the parade of donors to march from the stadium to his house with their wheel barrels full of cash.
iPhone deleted post issue.
I will miss Gee for his stupid remarks, but besides that, it's better for Osu that he is gone
from not surprised.
This is obviously backlash from Tat/Tressel-gate.
Remember in the aftermath when we were hearing about plans at OSU for restructuring extracurriculars/athletics to increase presidential control of the latter? Something about having athletics report through the office of student life, kind of like Gee had done at Vanderbilt.
We didn't hear any more about that, Gene Smith is still there, and Gee is gone.
I think athletics won that battle.
Its peanut butter jelly time!
I suck at embed. Just pretend Les Miles is epic sax guying here.
You are so right. My US Representative posted this on Facebook, which my cousin shared (he is an OSU grad, so I'll give him a pass). I want to throw up in my mouth a little. The resemblance to Gee is uncanny though!
Tressel must have finally got to him
I expect to get clobbered, but there it is...
Comedians every where mourn the loss of another great source of material! Gee was beloved by the OSU students and donors, and a frequent attendee at student parties. There are far worse things to be! Maybe Brandon will take OSU Prez job????!!!!!!! LOL!
Correct me if I am wrong, but the article said he gave this speech in December and the university has been aware of his comments the whole time, no? They even went as far as holding two meeting dedicated to handling the situation, the last one in March?
How are we just now hearing about this?
are not noted for swift disciplinary action. . .
First, something bad happens (December 5). Then, months later, someone at the school finds out about it, and marginally punishes the wrongdoer, if any discipline is even issued (March 11). Then, when news becomes public and dominates the headlines even more months later, school then reacts as it should have in the first place. (June 4)
Ohio dots the "i" with integrity...
You forgot the last part, where the offending party is paraded into the horeshoe and celebrated like a hero... (Sept 7th?)
and the way Ohio acts, I would have though the i was for idiocy....
My guess would be cause the Columbus Dispatch and the Cleveland Plain Dealer, unlike the Freep, actually think reporting stuff that makes the state's flagship university look bad is not good for business. For some unexplained reason they believe down here that embarrasing and generally pissing off their readers by reporting stuff like Gee said is not an effective way to build a customer base.
A decision was made on other grounds that Gee should be gone, and this was trotted out as a convenient excuse. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that the tape was leaked to the press for exactly that purpose.
Well, it would surprise me if that was acknowledged but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.
"After Gee’s December comments, Ohio State trustees met in private on January 31 and March 8 to discuss a remediation plan that directs Gee to scale back on his public speeches. The board also said the university should hire a “coach” to help Gee do his job, an interesting proposition considering that Gee accepted an award from the American Council on Education in March for his years of dedication as a mentor and coach for several prospective future college leaders."
Coach. To help him do his job.
Woody hit a kid another team, Tressel cheated, Gee was an idiot, Cooper sucked against Michigan, Earle Bruce lost to Indiana, Wes Fesler (coach before woody) pulled an Urban Meyer. I don't think one coach has left on good terms from OSU now that you mention it.
So we can assume Urban's heart troubles recur in about 3 years...
He totally left on good.... wait, what?
No football coach has left that school on good terms since WWII.
Interesting. Will he be even more of a loose cannon in interviews now that he doesn't have to worry about the institution he represents?
Why would anyone interview him anymore?
Why not? The guy's an ex-college president (and thus is knowledgeable about college athletics) and a guaranteed gold mine of juicy soundbites.
Well lets just hope Urbz doesn't take the helm in the president's chair there too. Then you know they'd be recruiting all the 5* professors.
You have to give the BoT some credit for wanting to save face and making him step down although they should be quite embarrassed considering how long it took them.
Slappies over on 11W are blaming . . . you guessed it, ESPN.
Ramzy posted this piece earlier today. I am reminded of the words of our blog overlords when I say, spare us the hymnal, cooler poopers.
Ramzy writes pretty well, but he's also the guy who wrote that tressel shouldn't have been fired because he visited sick kids in the hospital, as if that makes up for years of looking the other way and outright lies about tattoogate.
That's my point. Here he argues that Gee's wife died so his stupid comments are really true and he should be admired. ?? Its just rambling sentimentalism.
Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you or anything, just saying that this is consistent with what he's written in the past.
The problem with OSU and 11W is that Ramzy is their equivalent of Brian Cook, but he's no Brian Cook. His work simply eulogizes without establishing human failings and conflict that makes for good tragedy. We are just supposed to accept it for what it is and be ok with the fact that the heroes are flawed, even fatally, especially fatally. Well, I'm here to tell you fatal flaws will get you killed, at least metaphorically, and all you have to do is look at Tressel and Gee to see this in action. If the OSU faithful had their way, both would still be operating business as usual. This is precisely what makes OSU so laughable and intellectually bankrupt, yet it still remains the modus operandi.
Wow. I'm kind of sad, actually. Gordon Gee was always good for 2-3 newsworthy, embarassing comments per year. We are all losing a source of entertainment.
I agree with just about everything he said in his Q&. I found it very funny,actually. I'm a bit bummed to see him go.
They'll just trade in one idiot for another. Don't worry, embarrassment follows ohio.
Not to pat myself on the back, but I did quote Darryl Rogers saying "What does a guy have to do to get fired around here?"
This is disappointing.
He'll be replaced by some other loud mouthed jackass. It's the Ohio way.
He had it coming. A person in his position shouldn't constantly act like an amatuer like he has.
That's what they said about Putin.
Hilarious!!!! Made my day.
C'mon guys, we're better than this.
Let's keep some perspective and think about what happened that time when our outgoing president said dumb things that embarrassed our University on a national stage.
Oh yeah, right - that never happened! Bwahahahahah. This is what we have Kate Upton and you have Casey Anthony.
I never thought they would get rid of him
I think the douchiest part of this whole situation is that Gee was scheduled as the commencement speaker at at St Francis DeSales Catholic HS this Saturday. In light of the controversy, he cancelled this week. So, Gee and the university have known about this for six months and they wait until the week of the ceremony to cancel. I hope they gave the DeSales administration a heads up at some point. In typical Buckeye fashion, the parent they interviewed for the local news was upset that the Seniors wouldn't have Gee at their ceremony.
I actually disagree with that. I think it was a classy act to cancel given the media frenzy that would have surrounded the commencement. It would have taken away from the real purpose of the event - to honor students.
I'm all for making fun of Gee because he's a goofy older guy who sticks his foot in his mouth routinely, but I'm not going to blind myself to good intentions when I truly believe they're present.
I'm glad they cancelled for the reason you gave. However, OSU knew Gee made these comments in December. He probably never should have been scheduled to speak at a Catholic school after that. Why wait until there is media outrage to admit the mistake?
Meanwhile, Alabama's president defends segregation and nobody bats an eyelash, but god forbid OSU's president makes a joke about SEC academics and people force his "retirement." Classic.
By "people" you mean your own BoT right? They could have ignored this but thankfully someone over there knows it hurts the OSU brand to have a bigot in charge. He's an academic fergodsakes, he needs to know what not to say.
Hilarious use of "bigot" imo.
Well, if you think bigoted is hilarious then you're just as ignorant as Gee. To me, its just patterned anti-Catholic sentiment. Am I supposed to forget that the "Little Sisters of the Poor" are Catholic while he insults another Catholic group? That's just a coincidence right? My brother is a devout Catholic and an OSU alumnus. I called him today and asked him how he felt about the Gee resignation--he was relieved. He wasn't losing sleep over it, but the most salient point he made when discussing the situation was there are plenty of other well qualified people who won't show disdain for his religion. He was also baffled at the cult of personality that seems to build around OSU's leaders -- Hayes, Tressel and now Gee.
Do we need to go into the SEC stuff? Because that's just about as stupid a comment as you can make. If Gee is judging intelligence based on regional dialects than he's not really fit for academia to begin with. There are plenty of schools north of the Mason Dixon Line, such as Michigan/Ohio directionals et al, that do not measure up to the standards of SEC schools. So wtf was Gee's point other than to disparage the South, especially since he was the president at Vanderbilt?
So yeah, laugh it up. Its all just an ESPN conspiracy to keep The Ohio State University down, because everyone is so jealous of your awesomeness.
My oh my. "Little Sisters of the Poor" is the generic term for a lightweight scheduling opponent. Everyone knows that? It has nothing to do with being Catholic. Also, if the joke Gee made makes him a bigot then we're all in serious trouble.
No we aren't all in trouble, because we all aren't University Presidents. If you can't see the difference, there's no point in discussing it with you.
Edit: I would also say that someone can make a bigoted comment that may be part of culture (like Hibbert saying "no homo"), without themselves being a bigot. It's the fact that Gee repeatedly makes such comments that makes him either a bigot or the worst comedian ever.
It's very clear he's an old guy with an off-color sense of humor. The fact that some of you people think he is a bigot who holds a vendetta toward Catholic people is quite literally insane.
The only part you got right is that he's clearly an old guy. You're fucking insane to think there is nothing wrong with what he said. Once in a while you have to stop being a buckeye, admit you're wrong and move on.
The only reason the BoT had to make a huge decision like this is because Gee's (definitely stupid) comments got blown up in the media. But what about everything else? I mean, hell, Rutgers AD is an abusive idiot and she's still there and there's much worse stuff happening out there than Gee being a bit more candid than he should've been
Gee singled out 1) a religious group 2) an entire region of the country. If it's ok for him to do it than bigotry and prejudice on the OSU staff are just shades of grey. The OSU BoT recognized this and saw it for the slippery slope that it is.
You're fucking insane.
Then so is your BoT.
How can they be expected to hold students and faculty to stadards of conduct when the president of the university goes around calling southernors stupid and Catholics untrustworthy? Stereotyping is protected speech, but it doesn't mean that its acceptable speech. Thankfully there are a few in Columbus with the wisdom to differentiate between the two.
You're acting like he murdered the Pope. He made a joke! I'm catholic and didn't even blink! Jesus man. Oh, wait, did me saying Jesus in vain just now make me a bigot? My god. Oh no! Again!
This isn't about me and your hyperbole is exhausting. This is about a 69 year old professional who still hasn't learned that he sets the tone and standards of conduct for those in his charge.
You cannot say the things he said without repercussions, and as a public servant at an institution of higher learning he shouldn't have those thoughts to begin with. Most of us don't like Notre Dame. When someone says something anti-Catholic or equally bigoted on this board, they usually get negged and we voice our disapproval of their stupidity. You can say we're too PC and all of that, but frankly I'm happy to not hear racial, religious and gay slurs every day. I don't want my kids to grow up in a world where that stuff is ok.
The fact that Dr. Gee said what he did makes you wonder what doesn't get past the filter. Anyway, the last place he should let these things out is a public event (and yes when you're the head of OSU, your entire working world is subject to FOIA. Dr. Gee should have known this from the Tressel days and yet, here we are).
I'd hardly call the school paper calling him out "not batting an eyelash." Also, don't forget about all those lovely "damn Catholic" comments by Gee.
OSU is losing a great fundraiser and, generally, a really fun guy. But I think these last comments were kind of the last straw for the BoT.
Did you hear about it? Was it on ESPN? Isn't it 100% worse? How many people read the Alabama student paper? Jeeze, I write for the Lantern (OSU's paper) and am giddy when like 1,000 people read it.
This was on ESPN because Gee's comments were made at an athletic department meeting. Also, the comments were directly related to the Big 10's attempt to add Notre Dame and SEC fans making fun of the number of teams in our conference. This is a sports story, not just Buckeye hatred by ESPN.
Then that's an even bigger commentary on the level of importance humans place on sports over real, educational issues.
It is ironic you say that, since you attend the university that seems to have the market cornered on putting sports over real, educational issues.
1) That doesn't make it right 2) that doesn't mean I agree with it 3) Where did Ohio State put the football team/athletics in general ahead of academics, ever? Can't you argue that every school (Michigan included) does this by admitting students who otherwise wouldn't qualify academically because they play sports? Hell, LaMarr Woodley scored a 16 on his ACT and had a 2.8 GPA. You think anyone else gets into UM with those numbers?
1) No, it doesn't make it right, but it is the reality of the sporting aspect of our college system. 2) At least you are consistent in your opinion. 3) I can't speak with certainty to the Woodley example, but I'd say you are probably correct (I had a 29 ACT and was 6th in my HS class and had extracurriculars out the wazoo and didn't get accepted (not bitter at all though!)). I know OSU has had situations where star player's grades were changed at the last minute to keep them eligible (Andy Katzenmoyer (sp?) comes to mind). They may not have a "tradition" of placing sports above academics as much as placing sports above good moral judgement. Their administration is also one of the most reactive and obstructive in college sports in my opinion.
Katzenmoyer's grades weren't changed, he just took basic courses. It's his life. If he wanted to take easy courses to better his grades within the confines of the system, that's his right. It's not any different than the thousands of football players around the country majoring in general studies, criminal justice, etc. That's not an Ohio State problem. That's an NCAA/professional athlete problem.
I beg to differ. He had an art class grade changed a semester after he took it to allow him to maintain his eligibility. Link? LINK.
Edit: Money quote from the article.
When asked to explain why she had changed Katzenmoyer's grade from an E ( Ohio State's version of an F) to a C+ in the spring art course, Introduction to the Computer and the Visual Arts, teaching assistant Paula DiMarco said, "This is uncomfortable. I really don't want to talk."
Edit-Edit: I'm sorry, I didn't read all the way to the bottom. This is really the money quote!
"I remember he was really put off by all the attention," says Moore, a fourth-round draft choice of the Philadelphia Eagles. "Not everyone comes to college to be in college. I'm that way, and Kat was pretty open about it, too. He was bothered by some people who asked about the grade change. Everybody gets grade changes. I've had some grades changed. Other people have, too. Now we're both headed to the NFL, which is what we came here to do."
To be fair that is pretty appalling and definitely should have cost him his job. Also Alabama has all white fraternities and sororities? Jesus.
I have no idea what you're even talking about, which more or less proves your point. I even tried Googling "University of Alabama President Segregration" and all I got was page after page of George Wallace hits.
"I often have said that to be a college president, you need a thick skin, a good sense of humor, and nerves like sewer pipes." - Gordon Gee
He actually did say this once, and somehow, it makes sense that a considerable portion of Gee's nervous system is constructed of prestressed concrete and reinforced steel caging. Obviously, he was ill-equiped to sense that his comments would eventually back up and create a mess that others would have to deal with.
Gee was 70 years old. Probably didn't want to deal with being muzzled by the Board and having the media hang on his every word.
Good riddance, ya ignorant fool!
My personal favorite from 11w:
"A university's mission is to educate, enlighten, and have open discussions, which requires freer discourse than is considered socially acceptable in society. And in sticking with that mission, the BOT should not have forced him to resign."
You cannot be serious.
I hope that he doesn’t retire from being a comedic genius.
Please Gordon don’t stop producing great content. I miss you already.
I don't like Gee and would never want someone like him as President of UM but he was really just kidding in the comments he made. I'd bet there were Catholics in the crowd, and either way, he's old. Old people get a pass in my book. (I know Beckmann is old too, but that was an article that he had time to THINK about and actually made it past some idiot editor who probably wanted to stir the pot more than anything. Beckmann is an idiot too.) I think him leaving that position sucks because they were a perfect fit. He was just exactly what I'd expect Ohio State to have as a President; An arrogant jerk who's unfiltered mouth consistently makes him look like an idiot.
He did do some pretty unique things at Vanderbilt and I think he ends up going back to Colorado to fix their AD and raise money.
And for the first time (I think?) the rivalry extends to the university president search.
But that's kind of the point of the whole straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back metaphor; it was just one more straw: nothing especially big or heavy. Gee had been piling up straw (and some heavier items) for years.
But Gee did nothing to enlighten anyone about conference expansion. All he did was use the discussion as an outlet of his personal hatred of Catholics and disparage the intellect of the South. Tell me, what great insight did he provide? I'll hang up an listen.
I actually feel pretty vindicated by what Gee said about expansion because it straight-up confirmed a theory I wrote a long time ago: that the Big Ten made its eastern expansion push in large part to outflank the ACC and prevent the ACC from blocking its ambitions.
Right but how is that news to anyone who has been following conference expansion? Its like confirmation that the sun rises in the east. They certainly aren't doing it so they can all play nice together.
Gordon Gee, what a blowhard!
While Gee probably should have been "retired" during tat-gate, I think he's getting a bum rap here. His comments were on the radio this morning and he basically said what anyone in a sports conversation would have said about ND and the SEC. Of course university president's shouldn't engage in sports talk because of their positions, but come on. Of course people in the SEC can't read. "Damn catholics" is funny because other than 100 years ago, in the U.S., who cares if you're Catholic. Nothing happens to him when he let's the football program run amok, but he cracks a few jokes and he's gone.
My suspicion is that you have this exactly backwards. I've long thought, and occasionally some scuttlebutt has leaked out that seemed to confirm it, that Gee would have preferred to rein in the football program, knew he had no support for this until Tatgate seemed to give him an opportunity to force some change behind the scenes, but he misread the situation by overestimating his hand.
He's gone for the same reason Andy Geiger had to go--he was a potential obstacle to those wanting to run amok.
When Gee made the comments that he was lucky Tressel didn't fire him, I took it as him placing football above ethics. If he really was trying to reign in football, it was probably him comiserating that he didn't have the power to reign them in.
That's how I heard it at the time--he was letting the truth out in the only way he possibly could without serious repercussions, by turning it into a joke.
I have a friend that grew up in the USSR, her father was fairly prominent in industry there, and when I played the tape for her she was absolutely certain I was right. She knows that dynamic well.
...so I'll preserve the headline for posterity:
as Hillary's running mate in 2016.