Per Sam Webb, among others, on twitter, straight from Hoke's mouth.
spoiler alert: i linked this
How does this affect the scholarships for this recruiting class?
It gives us another
does this open the door for Leon McQuay?
Kendall Fuller and Vernon Hargreaves III too. Huge break for us.
Being a dick & realistic are not mutually exclusive. It is realistics, but calling someone leaving the team a huge "win" is harsh, even if it opens a slot for a top of the line recruit. That being said I see where this can lead to a huge opportunity.
naw, think hargreaves is still out due to the numbers at his position. he needs to have an opening at lb to get a scholie.
We have 23 committed and can only accept two more regardless. Could be wrong though. Thought the big ten created a rule you could only sign 25 max a year.
You can back date up to three scholarships to the year before if they are early enrollees as long as the previous year didn't hit 25. Michigan had 25 scholarships handed out in 2012 (with 3 early enrollees) and 20 in 2011. This is important because Michigan can back date the three early enrollees from this past spring (Wilson, Ringer, Bolden) on to the 2011 class. This gives the 2012 class 22. We could now take up to 28 if we had three early entrants and we had the scholarship room to do so. I believe Ross wants to be an early enrollee and there may be a couple more as well.
Our is that an option too?
not necessarily, the school uses it whichever way they need it and can back-date, more of a fluid or changeable situation actually..
similar to taking a tax deduction completed before april 15. you can use it in the previous year if you didn’t have enough, or the present year. whichever works best for you.
We could accept up to 28, if we had three early enrollees and were still within the 85 overall limit.. That would be the absolute max. Chance are the 85 overall will be the deciding factor on how big this class could be.
puts us at 22
Sad end to a strange saga.
Is Levenberry back in the crosshairs now, or has that passed?
Another lb, seriously.
Well it seems that the Mcquay situation isn't as bright as it was previously, and although we have plenty of linebackers, Levenberry is top 20 talent and has opened himself up to recruiting again. Who do you suggest besides Green and Treadwell?
Apparently Fitz and Clark will be back at practice this week, so that'a good sign that Clark isn't gone at least.
Where did you read/hear that?
Hoke presser at Media Day this morning
Oh sure...you're going to take HIS word for it and repeat it like it's fact?
Not the horse's mouth (maybe another part of the anatomy), but a reasonable source nonetheless.
Not everything has to have a /s next to it.
...when I read it in the Free Press.
We may be able to get another spot. If you have early enrollees, you can take up to 28 (3 early)
We took 25 last year though, so I'm not sure you can backdate to that year if that class was full.
The three early early enrolles from the 2012 class could be backdated to 2011, I believe.
That 25 number assumes we didn't backdate any of our EEs last year, though, which really would be pretty silly.
We only had 20 in 2011. Backdating the three EE from 2012 shouldn't be a problem.
I thought we were running against the 85 total scholarships limit, not the 25 per year limit. Backdating wouldn't help that at all.
Well we were already looking at a class of 25 for 2013 so any additional scholarships are constrained by both the total and yearly limits.
Hilarious how all of the apologists write excuses for the kid in the thread. I couldn't quit laughing, because the same people would have hammered this kid if he went to ND, ohiblow, etc,. He is too small, slow and a bad signing. Ahhh, but I would be a hypocrite for saying I have never had my maize glasses on high power. Just a funny observation for me. God bless and go blue!
Seemed like a good kid, just wasn't getting closer to ever playing with all the young safeties coming in. Hope he finds a better fit and has a good life. Good luck, Tamani.
In case anyone is curious, 30% of the 2011 class (http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/commitments/2011/mi...) is gone after only one year:
Barnett, Brown, Carter, Jones, Posada, Rock
Various reasons, as usual ... also, not too surprising given the circumstances (coaching change, timing, etc.).
Even crazier, 44% of the 2010 class (http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/commitments/2010/mi...) is somewhere else after two years:
Christian, Dorsey, Johnson, Jones, Kinard, Pace, Rogers, Talbott x 2, Vinopal, White, Williamson
For the sake of comparison, 2009 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/commitments/2009/mi...) has lost 36% of its members after three years:
Bell, Emilien, Forcier, Jones, LaLota, Stokes, Turner, Witty
Gonna be a few holes in the upperclass ranks in a couple of years ...
If Team 132 is any indication, we're very fortunate that those who stayed have grown into the type of leaders and players to mitigate the numbers problem. I expect more of the same from the seniors of Team 133 and 134 who were a part of the coaching transition and learned under the leadership of Martin, Molk, RVB, Junior, Kovacs, etc.
I don't really think that's too uncommon from a high level BCS school. Maybe the percentage is a bit high, but I wonder what types of numbers you would see from a school like OSU or Texas.
Roundtree had surgery on his knee but should b ready to go for bama
I don't think Dorsey is in the same attrition category; he never advanced beyond "prospect" as he was never admitted. In fact no decision was ever made; it is widely assumed/reported that he was "denied" but that's not true. His candidacy ended before his application was ever completed.
He did sign a LOI. Down in SEC country at schools like Ole Miss it's not uncommon to see a handful of guys not qualify academically after signing letters of intent. It seems rare to us because Michigan rarely goes after guys that are risks to not qualify (see: Aaron Burbridge).
Interesting but I think the circumstances are different. The 2009 and 2010 defections were more damaging because they included some of the more talented prospects in each class.
The players who've left from 2011 were all fairly low rated and have more talented prospects in the 2012 and 2013 classes replacing them. Arguably, Barnett is the only one who really would have been in contention for a slot on the two deep in the forseeable future.
A shame it didn't work out and hope they all find success elsewhere, but I think this is potentially a positive from an overall roster management perspective.
Agreed, and even Barnett had some injury issues, if I recall correctly.
I knew the attrition was a tad high, but to see the numbers is amazing actually. And contrary to another poster, those numbers are high for BCS programs. There are understandable reasons as you said, but this will defintely hurt depth soon, or at least, veteran depth.
does this open up a spot for levenberry now and has mcquay committed ?
a spot for Levenberry... and McQuay has not yet verbaled anywhere, but we did drop out of his top 3
Hey guys, how does this affect the scholarship situation? Can we back date any early enrollees? I thought 25 was the limit, but maybe we can have 28? Also, is Levenberry back in the fold? How about Treadwell?
/ didn't read above
// wondering if these are new questions
/// will hang up and listen
Read earlier posts.
Apparently my sarcasm font was disabled.
I feel so ruthless looking in this thread and immediately seeing all the scholarship calculations
Don't, it's perfectly normal & ok. When something like this happens you're allowed to have two seperate reactions: feeling bad for the guy/wishing him the best AND thinking about how it effects the team. I think it's kind of silly how the board attacks anyone who says it's a good thing for the team... it can be tactless to say "Wow! Great news!" without acknowledging the player himself, but there's nothing wrong with saying "Wish him the best... but this is good for the team and here's why." A player who was never going to see the field just left and freed up a scholarsip for a potential blue chip recruit. I'm allowed to be happy about that while also wishing him the best.
Very well put.
I dont know about any of your questions BUT....what about Levenberry and the whole "25 vs 28" scholarship situation? Has anybody considered how this impacts that yet?
I asked above as well. Apparently sarcasm is watching the Olympics closing ceremony as well as we everyone else.
I had forgotten this until I saw Brian's write-up on the front page, but he was the first player to commit to Hoke, so it is sad to see the then-commit (now redshirt freshman) which rather started this era of Michigan football. I would have to agree with others that he probably was fairly removed from playing substantial time by the way the depth chart was shaping up. Hopefully, he finds a place where he gets good minutes and can finish as a contributor - I wish Carter the best of luck.
Best of luck to the young man. I wonder if this gives us room for Kozan or Diggs though..
woooooow . . .Roy is hurt? where did this come from??
I don't know if this really opens any new spots at all. We still needed attrition to hit the number of commits we already have, so this could be some of that.
Hopefully Charlton realizes that these types of things happen all the time. I wouldn't think that this would impact him in the long-run (after all, they're two years apart in school), but it might be an interesting development to watch.
Farewell Tamani Carter, we hardly knew ye.
I think it was pretty clear that Carter was going to be stuck near the bottom of the depth chart for a while. I don't know if that's why he left (nobody knows right now, really), but it was hard to see him getting on the field much.
Hopefully he lands on his feet.
Stop asking the same questions!
We were still over. Enough with the Levenberry/Mcquay crap! This isn't GoBlueWolverine...