Goodbye: Pharaoh Brown???
Rumor on 247Sports that UM and PB have parted ways due to his planned OV to Oregon. Anyone have anything solid on this? Ace?
Edit: Everyone, let's not jump all over this HS kid for possibly wanting to visit Oregon. First, we do not have all the facts. Second, it might just be that Hoke has told him we now consider him uncommitted, but are willing to keep the door slightly open just in case he later decides he wants to be a Wolverine and we still have room closer to NSD.
[ED:BISB - I concur with the edit. No "we don't want us no fake Wolverine" comments, please]
November 20th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^
Can you link us to the article/thread?
November 20th, 2011 at 9:32 PM ^
Thank you sir! I was pretty excited for this guy though, seemed to be a rare combination of size and athelticism. Good luck to him, regardless of where he goes.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:52 PM ^
doesn't even have oregon on his list http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/130459/pharaoh-brown
November 20th, 2011 at 9:27 PM ^
My friend that's an insider on Scout just told me this as well. The coaches apparently don't consider him a recruit anymore after his visit to Oregon.
November 20th, 2011 at 10:57 PM ^
No longer considered a commit? Or no longer considered a recruit?
Big difference between the 2....
I'm not too concerned honestly. We'll be fine either way. I'm just curious what the news is tho.
November 20th, 2011 at 11:04 PM ^
No longer considered a commit because of the visit.
No longer considered a recruit because of the secretive nature of the visit.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:29 PM ^
Word is he is on the outside looking in as of right now. This may change but as of now he is no longer considered a commit.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:38 AM ^
Sounds more like he is on the outside looking elsewhere.
I think everyone should explore all of their options, Brown included. Michigan coaching staff included.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:29 PM ^
opens a spot up for someone who really wants to go to Michigan.
November 20th, 2011 at 10:28 PM ^
Wanting to check out Oregon does not mean you don't really want to go to Michigan. That is myopic bullshit.
November 20th, 2011 at 11:35 PM ^
Not true at all.
That's like saying fucking my babysitter doesn't mean I no longer want to be married to my wife. You don't do the first one if you really want the second one.
November 20th, 2011 at 11:53 PM ^
Did you just call your wife a has-been who hasn't looked hot since 97?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:08 AM ^
You could fuck your babysitter and still want to be married to your wife. Not being married to your wife anymore is going to cost you 50%+ of your assets. Better be a pretty hot babysitter and worth it or hope she's really discrete.
A better analogy would be if you're married to your wife can you no longer check out other women?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:21 AM ^
Looking at other women is like watching Oregon on TV and is probably ok. Going on a recruiting visit is more like a date, and is probably not.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:24 AM ^
much all babysitters are hot. This goes for daycare workers as well. For those on this board not yet fathers, wait until the daycare years. It is simultaneously the most exciting and most depressing ten minutes of your day at the same time.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:29 PM ^
are you kidding? The only question is if he takes an official to Oregon - there doesn't seem to be much doubt on the response.
November 20th, 2011 at 10:06 PM ^
Word on the street, is that he visited (past tense) for the USC game.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:29 PM ^
Is this bad? I thought we were already pretty well stacked at TE, maybe this opens up a spt for a more vital position.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:56 AM ^
Actually, UM will be extremely thin at TE in 2012: Brandon Moore (Sr.) and Rico Miller (So.) are the only two currently on the roster and it is debatable whether Miller even qualifies as a TE as he is still only about 230 lbs.
Devin Funchess is definitely going to play TE in college but the growing consensus seems to be that A.J. Williams is a better OT prospect than TE. UM probably needs to sign two TE's in the 2012 class and right now they 1 full-fleged TE if Brown is indeed no longer part of the picture.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:30 PM ^
On Rivals message boards, it's being reported that the staff and Brown have parted ways. Tim apparently confirmed it and said it was because the staff was very unhappy that Brown took the visit to Oregon in such a secretive way.
I didn't say anything earlier because it was on the paid boards, but now it's already out there.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:40 PM ^
Tim confirmed it.
P.S. I think I'm within bounds saying that he confirmed it. No new information, just confirmation. Mods, if you feel differently, let me know.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:31 PM ^
... hopefully we continue recruiting him. Also, I hope this means the staff feels good about a) our existing recruits at those positions and b) our chances with the handful that are still on the table for us.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:31 PM ^
As someone said before it puts another spot in the class for someone who really wants to come to Michigan
November 20th, 2011 at 10:01 PM ^
So why would you say it again?
November 20th, 2011 at 10:09 PM ^
Some people need to hear it twice.
November 20th, 2011 at 10:30 PM ^
what?
November 20th, 2011 at 11:00 PM ^
Liked it so much had to repeat it. Sorry that inconvienced you
November 21st, 2011 at 6:35 AM ^
With Brown gone he would have looked pretty good in the Maize and Blue and he wanted to be a Wolverine. With AJ Williams looking like he'll be sliding inside letting Brown move to TE was an easy decision. Now we have no replacement candidates at a position with no proven replacement or depth.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:33 PM ^
So like he can no longer come to UM, or he just is no longer a commit, but could still end up going to UM if the coaches still allow it?
Also, Hello Ron Thompson?
November 20th, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^
Bingo and Ron Thompson will not be taking his spot.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:39 PM ^
Bingo that he can no longer come here or bingo that he would need to mend fences and recommit?
November 20th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^
Need to mend fences and recommit. If his spot is available at the time. He basically hopped on a plane and went to Oregon without a word to the staff. I am a betting man and I wouldn't look to see him in this class.
November 21st, 2011 at 5:54 AM ^
Who is Bingo and what position does he play?
November 21st, 2011 at 9:03 AM ^
Bingo is Bingo Baggins, the name J.R.R. Tolkien was initially going to use for the main hobbit protagonist in the Lord of the Rings. Yes, he was seriously going to use the name Bingo Baggins.
/obscure, pointless Tolkien geek reference
November 20th, 2011 at 9:36 PM ^
Ron Thompson already commited to the Cuse, plus Brown wasnt recruited as a TE so I do not think Ron Thompson will be related here.
November 20th, 2011 at 10:33 PM ^
It was pretty well documented that Brown was told he could play TE at Michigan and he was a Michigan TE commit with AJ Williams being an OT commit.
There was also a rumor that Tommy Schutt was going to fill Brown's spot on the DLine.
So I'm not sure how this affects Thompson, IMO, the coaches cooled off on him (as did the recruiting sites)...I'm not sure Thompson will get a call. However, maybe someone like Taylor McNamara? Hoke and the staff have been on him, he's a San Diego kid.
November 20th, 2011 at 10:44 PM ^
I must have missed the Schutt rumor? Could you fill me in on the details?
November 20th, 2011 at 10:49 PM ^
Brown was originally recruited as a TE??? I did not know that. What i meant was whatever Brown's decision would not affect Thompson's decision whatsoever.
November 20th, 2011 at 11:45 PM ^
I think we'll take the best players from here on out.
Worry about needs in the next class, this one is pretty full.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:37 PM ^
If the coaches were pissed about him visiting Oregon in a secretive way and don't consider him a commit I doubt we get him. And Ron Thompson committed to Syracuse.
Sad to see him go. I was excited for the potential matchup nightmares but I get why the coaching staff feels this way.
Opens up a spot for o line probably.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:38 PM ^
If I had to guess I would say that it means he's going to have to do a decent amount of damage control and prove he wants to be a part of this class. If he convinces the coaches, I'd bet they'd let him back in.
November 21st, 2011 at 6:29 AM ^
The coaches might also think that the remaining spaces can be better employed in a different position and/or player. Sounds like the exodus for Pharaoh.
November 21st, 2011 at 7:44 AM ^
I've got no problem with him wanting to take other visits. If he wants to check out his options that's fine as long as he knows his spot comes open. While I understand his not wanting to tell the coaches, I definitely see them wondering if he tries to get away with this then what does that mean for the future.
November 21st, 2011 at 9:06 AM ^
Sounds like the exodus for Pharaoh.
I see what you did there.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:34 PM ^
Bon voyage
November 20th, 2011 at 9:34 PM ^
well, it sux. he could have been really good, and we could use a te. but, what choice does coach hoke have? good luck to him.
November 20th, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^
I love how Hoke handles this. If Brown isn't serious about Michigan, Michigan sure as hell shouldn't be serious about him. One more open spot for a more needed player.
November 20th, 2011 at 11:32 PM ^
Let'em travel. But he doesn't have a committed spot.