further adventures in Jed York being unsuited for his position
Looks like some more 2014 offers will be going out to o-linemen. In good shape for Cole, Doles, Hendren, Devers, and Ward. Should be another solid class in the trenches.
WTF? Well this really puts a damper on my Sunday.
Honestly, I'm having a difficult time getting too upset about this.
in fact I'm seeing it as a positive. Don't misunderstand, I wish we still had Mr. Dawson coming to Michigan, and I wish him the best wherever. The positive part is the coaches are keeping to their word...if you're not committed, then buh bye. Keeping your word and sticking to your principles pays dividends in many many ways down the road.
Kudos to the coaches, and best of luck DD.
Plus it's not like this happened on signing day. Plenty of time to fill his spot
I wonder If we could get back in touch with Pocic...
They could always reach out to a couple of linemen, but you would think that those linemen have been building relationships with the schools they've committed too. Notre Dame has several commits with Michigan offers as well, so if they want another O-Lineman they can always reach out and there are 4 months to get in someone's ear...
This sucks, kid seems like real deal. Was one of my favorite prospects in the class
Oh well... Beat Sparty!
To watching Dawson steamroll our opponents. Thankfully we have a gluttony of talented big uglies. Maybe this solves the McQuay, Treadwell, and Green conundrum.
That sucks, hopefully he doesn't go to anybody in the big
Mathis went to Oregon.
wow. that really sucks. still important to remember that one guy a recruiting class does not make. michigan will be just fine w/o him.
According to Steve Wiltfong, Dawson will visit Florida this weekend.
David Dawson will visit Florida this weekend. All the details here.http://florida.247sports.com/Board/14/Cam-Dillard-has-been-recruiting-David-Dawson-13109545 … via
To be fair, Florida looks good this year. To be unfair, he'd get curb-stomped by Alabama for four years. No one in the SEC is beating them.
Clearly the kid really wants to go to Florida...so be it. If he would rather head to Florida/Carolina then the in-state rivalry this weekend then that is all you need to know about where he seems to have his heart set on.
I'm past the stage of worrying about recruits. Michigan will always recruit well - losing a player here or there is not going to kill this program. Hoke and Co. are building a dynasty here.
Just think - guy's like Jake Ryan and Des Morgan were about as heralded as me coming out of High School.
Michigan will be strong.
Yes, but as you're seeing with MSU this year, if you want to sustain success year after year, you do need to have some elite recruits. I agree that it's not as important considering the other commitments we have, but it's very hard to build an elite, dynastic type program without elite recruiting. This one decommitment doesn't hurt as much as it might have in the past, but you can't rely on sleepers alone.
Sleepers will get it done in the Big Ten. But if you want to compete nationally, you need some elite guys. Especially if you want to compete with the SEC where there's loads of talent in the trenches. So in that respect, losing Dawson is pretty big.
Try explaining that to State fans. When players redshirt it automatically bumps them up 1 star rating
Well we knew there would be a decommitment or two. Best of luck to him and at least it's not Ohio or MSU.
Still...............fuck the SEC and ESPN's endless hyping of it.
Curious to see who the coaches will line up to replace him on the line.
Seriously, what's a better conference right now? The Big 12? Not with those defenses. Pac12? ACC?? Honestly, what conference and quality teams would you rather ESPN talk about?
A conference with a less annoying fanbase for a start. I also find it a little annoying that guys who probably would have signed with UM in past years get their heads turned by the possibility of playing S-E-C Footbaw!!!(Diamond and Dawson both being examples).
I get the SEC has good teams but between the S-E-C chants and the Yankees-Red Sox type coverage it gets, I'm over it.
UM needs to revisit this policy. If a kid commits, then wavers and wants to take other visits, UM shouldn't "part ways." They should just classify the kid as going from committed to uncommitted, and continue recruiting him. I post not to pontificate, but rather to see if someone can enlighten me as to why this is an errant approach.
There is some confusion as to what this policy is...I actually thought that we would continue to recruit DD, but he is still uncommitted. The wording being put out now, although early, seems to mirror the Pharoah Brown incident more. Does anyone know for sure what the policy is?
I think they may have been willing to keep recruitintg him, but he may have said that he was set on moving on.
I disagree, it's pretty obvious that if Dawson would have visited Florida he would have committed to them as well. It's just the timing is different (and proper) now. The coaches just believe in the word commitment. If you're visiting somewhere else, you're not committed.
I think its the "you're dead to us" approach to the decommitment aspect that bothers most people. If it was more of a "you're no longer committed, and your spot is now open for others, but we'd still love to have you in the class" it would be one thing. But that doesn't seem to be the way its working. I mean, they went from he's committed to "I want to look around" to "LOL, bye foeva!!" all because he wanted to visit another school.
I mean, if the coaches wanted him in the first place, and there's not much in the way of upgrades or adequate replacements, why not just take the decommitment, tell him to check out some other schools, and then keep recruiting him? Seriously, what's the harm in that?
The harm would be that they have told other recruits that if they commit and want to visit somewhere else, they are not coming to Michigan. And seeing that they have enforced that policy with others (an assumption) they are not going to be hypocritical now and allow someone to do it because they are the #1 OG in the country. Character matters to them. They need to trust their players. They want a family attitude and you can't build a strong family when you are worrying about someone not being fully committed to the family. I am having a hard time understanding why so many people think it is so wrong to expect a 17-18 year old to honor his committment.
Michigan wants to solidify as much of the class as possible, as early as possible. If the "I'm committed, but not really" approach is allowed, you can end up stranded at the altar on signing day. If you are coming to Michigan, then commit. If you are unsure, we can't promise that your spot will be here.
It sends the message. Sucks he is gone and will miss him in this class, but they have their policy. They are honest with the recruits and stick to their philosophy.
Only commit if you are sure and of you commit then waver, they can't hold your spot anymore. They base their numbers on the recruit so if he leaves once why count on him again.
What does a verbal commit mean if you do this? The policy is good as is...explain to the recruit what it means to verbal and hold him to it.... Mich precludes other offers when they take verbals. The policy makes sense to me. This just happens...if a recruit wants to reconsider on signing day and there is room - that is another matter.
I tend to agree. It's a tough policy, but Michigan saves a spot for you and doesnt recruit others. After the 5 ol commits, we have turned down others who looked at us. It's a tough policy because it is a tough decision to make so early on in the process.
I can understand this, but it works both ways. If we didn't have this policy, perhaps Derrick Green or Quon would have committed already. I know if I were a blue chip this policy would make me hold off as late as possible so I could enjoy taking visits elsewhere just for the ass kissing. What 17 year old wouldn't want that from blue chip programs?
This policy gets to the core of Hoke's recruiting. If you want to be at Michigan badly enough and the staff sees something, he will accept your commitment. This gets you the die hard players. The guys that bleed maize and blue, the non waivers. Bosch, LTT, Fox, and others believe in Michigan. Only kids that have wavered are Conley and Dawson. You get kids who are all in.
Not that Green and Treadwell are not all in. They will make their choice and be great players for UM or not. But, you get a great core believing in Michigan.
At first, I didnt like the policy. I thought we would become more regional of a school. It is expensive to fly out to Ann Arbor from different areas of the country. I also thought that we would miss on top prospects who wanted to wait. Now, I like it. You give the school your word. Hoke give you his word.
From a guy who isn't really committed and still wants to be woo'd and take visits? Then you're holding a spot for a guy (and not recruiting someone else) who isn't just a possible flight risk, but a likely one.
So do we go after another guard now? If so, who?
To keep him away from at least visiting Florida especially after he only hung out with Gators at the Nike Camp...
I was thinking the very same thing when I saw this post. He might want to change that now.
When Roundtree graduates. Said it from day 1 when I joined.
I realize you are being sarcastic about the number of top 100 linemen on the team, but they don't grow on trees and losing one from a local pipeline school hurts no matter how you slice it.
We should be fine. I think Kalis and Bosch will have the guard spots locked up for the next four or five years. Dawson would've been in a dog fight with Braden, Fox, Magnuson, and LTT.
Well, Dawson is viewed as a guard, so wouldn't he have been in the dog fight with Kalis and Bosch? Either way, the program won't suffer any setbacks because of this.
Wish the kid the best; this happens. Haven't heard much about him recently, but that could have been a sign.
well this puts a damper on my morning