FieldingBLUE

November 27th, 2016 at 6:14 PM ^

No case - can't win division no playoff - goes for OSU too - final 4 sb Bama + B1G champ + P12 champ + Clemson / if Clemson falls you can take OSU or Mich / if Bama loses they are still in




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ijohnb

November 27th, 2016 at 6:51 PM ^

the current playoff schedule, a good case can me made for the elimination of conference championship games altogether, though dollar bills will never allow for that. This season raises some interesting questions for the BIG (including whether keeping OSU v. M as the last game every year benefits anybody, yeah I went there) and the CFP (including whether they need to go to 8 teams, like really soon.)

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BursleyBaitsBus

November 27th, 2016 at 6:56 PM ^

Can't believe I'm saying this, but they need to shift OSU or Michigan back to the other division. 

 

It won't ever happen now that Michigan is relevant again. Doubt the other schools would like having OSU vs Michigan rematches every other year. 

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father fisch

November 27th, 2016 at 6:57 PM ^

Best teams in. Playoff has to be 8 teams. Then there's no more trying to squeeze deserving teams in and leaving somebody out. It only expands the process a week. This current process is well-intentioned but functions as well as the refs from The Game.

gmoney41

November 27th, 2016 at 6:58 PM ^

Exactly, the only people that will hurt for having the so called big ten champ(3rd place team) will be the cfp comittee when the ratings tank because of uncompetitive games. Just like 97 helped usher in the bcs due to the split title, this seasons lack of having the best 4 in should really propel an 8 team playoff. If we aren't in, I hope the big ten team or teams gets destroyed msu style.

Muttley

November 27th, 2016 at 7:45 PM ^

It's really hard to identify the best four, so I'm in favor of going with the champions unless it's clear that the "champion" is clearly not a Top 4 team (e.g. a team getting into their conference championship game from a weak division and then winning one game).

Also, the eye test says the Big 12 sucks.  The upcoming championship game is between one Oklahoma team that got smoked at home by OSU and one that lost to Central Michigan at home.

Ahriman

November 27th, 2016 at 6:56 PM ^

OU only has 1 win over an AP top  25 team (WVU), Michigan has 3 wins over top 10 teams. The idiots in the Coaches poll have Wisconsin ahead of Michigan. The CFP seems to be smarter than those in the coaches poll.

If Washington (only 1 win over AP top 25) and Clemson (2 wins over AP top 25) lose, I don't see how Michigan is kept out. Even if they win, based on resume, Michigan has as good an argument as anybody (3 top 10 wins vs. 0 top 10 wins for Clemson and UW) outside of the top 2 teams.

That doesn't mean they'll get in, but if the CFP wants the top 4 teams in the country, UM should be in. To be honest though, I don't think Michigan can beat Alabama at this point, and I'd rather have a great New Year's Day bowl win heading into next year than a loss in the CFP. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think it's better to end on a high note.

Zarniwoop

November 27th, 2016 at 6:15 PM ^

As happy as that would make me, its a pipe dream.

If the committe takes OSU over the winner of PSU/Wisconsin, they need to shut their fucking mouths with the "conference champion" rhetoric forevermore.

That said, if some miracle happens and we get in (we won't), I'll gladly take it.

They'll take a lesser Washington team.

superstringer

November 27th, 2016 at 6:16 PM ^

If we had taken care of business at Iowa, this would be moot. OSU would win the B1G and we would be in as the at-large. I feel like we all need to man/woman up and say we know we are the #2 or #3 team in the country, but we can blame anyone else for us not reaching the promised land.




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uminks

November 27th, 2016 at 7:03 PM ^

and continued with Hoke players under Harbaugh.  I think it is mostly a mental thing why they cannot close out games. The players seem to freeze up and are unable to execute basic plays, such as poor throws, poor blocks, not hanging onto the ball.

We'll have to wait and see during the next couple years if this will be a Harbaugh trend? I doubt it, his teams usually finish strong.

Ahriman

November 27th, 2016 at 7:12 PM ^

No, it wasn't. What Harbaugh was known for at Stanford was the use of tight ends and fullbacks, and having a punishing Offensive line that wore people down. There was one game (I think it might've been against USC) where Stanford ran the same running play I believe 10 or 11 times in a row. The other team knew what was coming, but couldn't stop it. The team got better every year, he beat USC, and he helped nudge Carrol out of USC (and the sanctions of course).

I'm as pissed as anybody, but people need perspective. Compare Michigan road games versus those under Hoke and Rodriguez (not a high bar no doubt) and it's night and day. The offensive line works hard, but his first 2 o lines are likely to be the worst 2 o lines while Harbaugh is coach at Michigan. With recruiting big, smart, athletic lineman, and the tutelage of Drevno, and the future O lines are going to be scary good.

As bad as that loss to Ohio feels, remember that Michigan, in only it's 2nd year under Harbaugh, on the road, lost in double overtime on a b.s. 4th down call, with one-sided officiating and 3 turnovers to a team of basically all 4 and 5 star recruits.

Once Harbaugh has his star QB and a dominant O line, you'll see the tide shift in this rivalry. I don't know if Harbaugh will run Meyer out of Columbus, but what I do know is he's more competitive than we are, he and the players are the ones putting in the long days and hard work and who are likely going to be angrier than we are, and he was working with only his first full recruiting class. Things will get better. And as the saying goes, you can't spell C_ck__cker without OSU.

BillyOcean

November 27th, 2016 at 6:18 PM ^

For colorado..VA Tech to win. If Wisconsin wins we could have 3 big ten teams and Bama in the playoff.

I'll stop drinking now

cGOBLUEm

November 27th, 2016 at 6:23 PM ^

The hardest thing for me to swallow right now is that there is no doubt in my mind that Michigan is one of the 4 best teams in the country. They will be left out. Two road losses by a combined 4 points. Ugh.




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uminks

November 27th, 2016 at 7:09 PM ^

and out played OSU and should have won. The Iowa game they did not play well at all. Just think if they played Iowa the way they played OSU, we would have won easily and we would probably get into the playoffs with one loss. Though we would probably be the fourth team and have to play Alabama. Though, I think Michigan is the only team with the defense that could make the Alabama game close.

DairyQueen

November 28th, 2016 at 1:29 AM ^

They won't be left out.

If either Washington or Clemson falter, Michigan will go in.

Mark it.

Whole point of the a committee hand-selected playoff (which is then by definition not a true "playoff" as we understand it in American sports) was to get the 4 best teams, then Michigan has a great shot.

You think if Alabama loses to Florida, thus not winning the Conf. Champ. the CFP won't take them?

If it is the best 4 teams, then Michigan still has a shot.

MGOFishBio

November 27th, 2016 at 6:23 PM ^

Particularly if Colorado beats Washington....we've got wins over Colorado wisconsin n Penn St...and Oklahoma got blown out at home to osu....send big n PAC champs to rose bowl 

Beat Rutgerland

November 27th, 2016 at 6:25 PM ^

I just can't see them taking 2 big ten teams, neither of which won the conference, nor can I see them taking 3 big ten teams. I'd love to be proven wrong, but people should not get their hopes up.

However, if it is all about money, as folks often claim, a Michigan Ohio State rematch for the national championship would probably be the most profitable game in the CFP's short history, so take note selection committee.

UMForLife

November 27th, 2016 at 7:13 PM ^

I see them leaving B1G champion regardless of it is PSU or Wisky and take two other B1G teams. If Clemson and Washington win, I have a feeling that it will come down to B1G champion and OSU. So I believe the committee is going to dump B1G champion. I truly believe that they are going to screw over B1G champion.

shags

November 27th, 2016 at 6:25 PM ^

and Penn State beats Wisconsin, then I have two arguments for you.

1.  Michigan 45, Colorado 28.

2.  Michigan 49, Penn State 10.

And I'm wrong saying it's an "argument".  It's an indisputable fact.  So when you add those "facts", along with Michigan losing to what will be a ranked Iowa team on the road on a last second field goal, and losing to a top 3 Ohio State team on the road in double overtime, I think you have an argument.

But Colorado and Penn State have to win.

 

LSAClassOf2000

November 27th, 2016 at 6:26 PM ^

Overemphasizing conference championships – ironically an idea originally championed by Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, now perhaps to his detriment – sacrifices common sense.

I actually agree with that - conference champion should not necessarily be the determining factor when looking at two teams that are close in resume (especially when they are comparing teams with obvious differences in resume), especially when those two teams are this year's Penn State and Wisconsin. If either of them found a backdoor into the CFP, there is something seriously cracked about the criteria. 

crg

November 27th, 2016 at 6:49 PM ^

I disagree there.  Even though it kills our CFP chances for this year, conference championships matter and should be given very strong weighting by the committee (otherwise, why have them and the championship games they entail).  If a team was not strong enough to win their conference, what right do they have to claim a national championship?

This also gives strong incentive for some of the directionally-challenged schools (i.e. the Figthings) to finally live in the 21st century and join a conference.

ESNY

November 27th, 2016 at 6:55 PM ^

But if you overweight them then you get shitty OOC schedules since all you need to do is not lose. Washington has beaten one ranked team and lost to one. Hate to say it but that makes then much weaker than OSU who not only beat two top 10 big ten teams but another top 10 team OOC. Washington can strengthen their resume by beating Colorado but they would still arguably have a weaker resume than OSU.




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MTbluewolverine

November 27th, 2016 at 6:26 PM ^

I just don't see us making the Cfp this year, I do think Tuesday will be interesting. Does the committee tip their hand this week and drop us beneath Penn St., Wisconsin, and maybe even Oklahoma? Or do we go to #5 and just need 1 team ahead of us to lose? Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Would love to get revenge in the playoffs.

UM Fan from Sydney

November 27th, 2016 at 6:30 PM ^

It won't happen. No way they choose OSU AND Michigan and then leave out the Big Ten winner. Perhaps if Michigan did not lose to Iowa, there could be an outside chance.