Glenn Robinson III #50 in new Rivals150
Glenn Robinson III got an extra star and is now the #50 overall prospect. He is currently the #5 prospect in the state of Indiana. He was previously a 3-star, ranked #118.
Nick Stauskas also got an extra star, and is now ranked #89, up from #106.
Links:
New rankings: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-2509
GRIII's Rivals page: http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Glenn-RobinsonIII-104696;_ylt=AuNmxA0sSDgULMH6i2h6AY_VO5B4
Stauskas' Rivals page: http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=113514
PS: sorry for the ugly links.
...about John Beilein's ability to recruit top level talent? Speak up, I can't hear you anymore.
/Not directed at the OP.
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That hurts my ears just looking at it.
I think a coaches ability to recruit top level talent is when he beats programs like Duke for a top 50 kid. These kids were ranked much lower when they actually committed and he didn't have to beat top 10 programs for most of the kids that committed. I am in no way downplaying what he has accomplished recently for recruiting. When these kids continue to improve in their ranking after they committed that is a good sign.
This is dumb. A coach that can spot good talent and lock it down early is far more advantageous, especially in basketball where you only have a few scholarships a year to give out.
I'll take the bait, even though I'll get hammered for it.
First, I really like this class. I think Robinson and Stauskas both have the potential to be excellent players. I have similar hopes for Burke and Brundidge. But, all that said, tail end top-50 and lower rated guys aren't exactly what I meant when I said previously that Beilein has to show that he can recruit top level talent. In college basketball, there really is a huge difference between top 25 and top 50. Over the last four years, half the consensus all-americans were top 25 guys, with the rest pretty evenly split between top 26-50, top 51-150, and three star or less guys. Top 25 guys are instant impact players that can fill in holes and instantly take your team up a level. Top 50 guys will likely contribute immediately, but will likely take a little while to develop into potential all-conference type players.
Beilein can be succesful with his current targets, and I'm comforted that in each class he seems to find one less hyped guy that should develop into an excellent player (Morris, THJ, Robinson, maybe Burke), but it's going to be hard to be consistantly where we want to be without landing the occasional truly elite level recruit. It's not impossible (Wisconsin has only two top 25 recruits in the rivals database), but very difficult.
Hopefully, with the building success of the program, both on the court and in the recruiting world, we'll start to land or are at least in on a top 25ish recruit most years.
to begin the climb back Beilein had to start somewhere, and top 25 players were not coming here. What he has done is arguably harder than getting those top 25 guys is for Duke, NC, or Kansas--he has found exceptional players early, convinced them to commit, and then we have seen their play and development convince the scouts that they should be more highly ranked.
I would hope that you could see through your statement to his achievement, because it is going to be a little while yet. And a large percentage of those top 25 guys are not staying in school, which further cuts our odds. (Darius Morris happens to have been both an emerging NBA-caliber player AND All Big Ten scholar; these don't fall from trees.) No offense, but ridiculous fan impatience needs to be tempered by reality from time to time!
I tried to be very positive in my post to show that I'm happy with the direction of the program and with Beilein. Recruiting is certainly improving, and I'm fairly confident that we can return to a top 15-20 type program. I'm not even worried about the pace of this revival. But, he hasn't recruited elite level talent yet. I think he will, but he hasn't yet shown that he can. If he continues to have a marvelous eye for under the radar talent, he might never need to. But, if that's the case, the odds become longer if we hope to be a top 3-4 program in the Big Ten, year in and year out.
As an aside, when I first supported the idea that Beilein hasn't yet proven he could recruit elite level talent, it was only in response to people that thought that after the 2010 class, Beilein had proven what a great recruiter he was. I was only addressing people saying recruiting was great and pointing towards guys in the tail end of the top 100 to make the point. Tail end top 100 guys are nice, but they aren't typically class centerpieces.
see M get back to the rep it had in the 80s when we copped all the Smacky D's All Americans in the B10. But if your sophomore guard leading the big schools in assists and going ca. 20th in the NBA draft isn't elite what is? Beilein is for real, is all I'm trying to say, and the bball is beautiful to watch.
One thing the B10 (aside from OSU) has shown is that you can build very good programs (purdue, msu, wisco, ill) without one and dones. The quality of those programs is about what I hope for from our program, at least for now. If you're thinking championships then that may be a source of difference in opinion.
Second, while we could use a big time recruit to come in and immediately feel Morris' shoes, I think that down the road it won't be that big of an issue. Unfortunately Beilein doesn't have the depth of talent/experience on his roster that he will in the future simply because he hasn't been here long.
Lastly, look at what this team achieved this year with its talent/experience level and then consider how different things will be in the next couple years. For the first time in forever people are actually wondering about who is going to get left out in the competition for minutes at a couple spots.
We are headed in the right direction.
I'm not a huge fan of recruiting one and done's, I think they're a good idea if you have an obvious hole that a recruit fills perfectly, but otherwise I'm not sure they're worth it. But, there are additional elite level recruits besides the one and dones, of which there were only 8 this year, and those are the guys I'm talking about.
MSU (Branden Dawson, Adreia Payne, Delvon Roe, etc.), certainly has had a long tradition of hauling in top 25 talent, which explains why they are one of the two Big 10 programs with final four potential, seemingly every year. Purdue has lived off their one great recruiting class for the last few years, yes none of them were top 25 type talents, but there was a bunch of four star types in that class, and Hummel turned out to be far better than expected. Illinois consistently lands guys in the lower top 50, but I'd argue that it's the lack of truly elite level talent, since Dee Brown and Deron Williams, that has lead to their consistent underachieving. Wisconsin seems to be the rare exception that can become elite without a lot of 5 star talent, but I'd point out that they also seem to choke hard come tourney time on an annual basis.
I think that if we are to be the great program we all want, Beilein is going to have to land the occasional top 25 type talent. We've had two ncaa bubble teams in four years, which has been GREAT for where we were. But hopefully those will be our bad teams in the future, while our good teams are potential final four teams, it's going to take a slightly more talented roster to make that a reality.
you can't have it both ways. don't say we need top 25 players on this roster in order to compete for titles; something you say beilein hasn't proven he can do. then say you don't want one-and-dones. news flash...those one-and-dones tend to be those top 25 players.
beilein is building the right way; the more difficult way. he's proven he's had success at recruting top 25ish talent (harris, morris, thj), it's just the recruiting sites aren't smart enough to know those kids were top 25 caliber.
I personally like the rationale behind saying Beilein hasn't proved he can recruit elite talent yet because he didn't get 1 of the 8 elite players who weren't one-and-dones from this year. It is actually laughable. That is like saying "I can't believe he didn't get the 14th, 18th, or 23rd ranked players who I think will stick around for more than 1 year. Beilein struck out this year."
So we have 2 top 100 players, one of whom is a top 50? Wow.
to coach B., we just need to recruit a true center for the following class.
cos JB needs our help running the program.
Very weird with the Rivals ranking on McGary. They have him as the #5 player in the entire nation...but #17 among centers. Now, I'm no math major, but....
http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/basketball/recruiting/player-Mitch-McG…
rivals hasnt yet updated positional rankings
on the roster. They may need to take wing player more than C. With Morgan and Horford at C, I don't see C as a huge need especially with Horford getting bigger.
The issue is that, among players on the roster and those signed/committed for 2011 and 2012, there are three centers--Morgan, Horford, and McLimans--all of whom are in the same class, with their senior/5th year coming in 2013-14. So it seems to me that signing a center for the 2013 class would be ideal, rather than waiting until the 2014 class and then have to start a true freshman.
EDIT: I forgot about Bielfeldt, who may end up playing center. But I still think signing a center for the 2013 class makes sense.
Not really.
I like nick teammate at st. marks, any chance we have a shot at him? hes a 5 star center.
GR III is gonna be an animal, just like his dad was at purdue.
I know it doesn't mean much, and the bounce of the ball will tell the tail, but external validation is nice. Go Coach B.
Once again shows they have a great eye for talent.
Also congrats to Robinson Jr. and Stauskas for the extra *s!
Shows me that JB does a good job of evaluating potential as well. Jordan Morgan outperformed expectations. Trey Burke rose in the rankings this past year, and GB III's stock skyrocketed and Stauskas is getting more national respect too. He was in on these players well before they were feeling the love from recruiting websites. Hopefully we can get a quality post player in that 2012 class. McGary would be great, but it's a longshot IMO
...GR III. I would love to see him at 6'7" when he walks on UM's campus for the first time. I think his dad was listed at 6'8"...let's hope genetics kicks in and adds some height with a final growth spurt. He would be a nightmare mismatch for defenses as a 6'7"/6'8" slasher.
Growth spurts in one's senior year of high school are not uncommon. I could see GR III getting two or three inches taller in the next twelve months. He'll be a great addition either way, though.
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JB really continues to impress me. I can remember not thinking much about him or paying a lot of attention to him when we was first hired, but he continues to build the right way, and i am glad that the administration has given him time to do so. This is going to be a special next couple of years for Michigan Basketball.
Yet another example of recruiting consistently and constantly improving under JB. You can make a serious argument that each class has been better than the one before it(at least if you count just his full classes). Add that to his track record developing players and willigness and ability to adapt and flat outcoach many top coaches on gameday and you can;t help but be excited about the future of the program. While it's always a great day to be a Wolverine, between Hoke/Mattison juggernaut killing it on the recruiting trail and JB, it feels like the best days in a long while are ahead for Michigan(plus we still got Red)
i couldn't have said it better myself. beilein is one of the best x and o guys out there. ask coach K. and now he's getting the best talent that he's ever had. and he's taken a couple teams deep into the ncaa tourney before. i really like our chances the next several years.
i really hope he can be our joepa and coach into his 80s; but i will settle for his 70s.
Almost there. About 6' 6" and adding muscle. will probably start freshman year.
He may start, I think it really depends on if Hardaway Jr. bolts after next season. If he sticks around(and i think he will) then you could see Burke, Brundidge, Hardaway, Smotrycz and Morgan with GRIII the first guy off the bench. Regardless, its awfully exciting to have options not named Zack Gibson or K'Len Morris.
is that a roster or what? then you have horford and the two sharp shooters coming off the bench.
Things are looking good at Crisler Arena!!
What I like about Beilein's recruiting is he can find top talent before its top talent. Morris, Hardaway were not big time talent out of high school. They were good players but not Duke or Kansas recruits. He can catch them early, coach 'em up and look how we did against Duke and KU.....not wins but we're getting there. Basketball is a team sport and he's building a good team.
I'm happy with Coach B, but I don't know that your statement is accurate. Morris was the #10 PG in the entire nation, a 4* stud from LA. Hardaway was not as highly praised, but had numbers to drop jaws coming out of Miami. Why he only had offers from Minn and us is a mystery to me.
michigan hasnt had two four star recruits in the same class since 2003 (courtney sims, dion harris, brenton petway)
I would rather cheer for a program that has moderate-to-good success in the B1G and keeps their kids around for 3-4 years. One and Done programs lack continuity and long-lasting appeal. Even the great Duke teams and UNC teams from the past had players that stuck around for 3-4 years.
These3-4 year players become part of the community and the community becomes a part of them. They return to the community when their playing days are over and offer support for various charities. When playing, they are fun to cheer for and it is even more exciting when they accomplish something you did not expect (for example our 2010-2011 men's basketball team).
I could care less who used to play for Memphis 3 - 4 years ago. But I will probably remember the name Grant Hill, Zach Novak, or Glenn Robinson forever because of their longevity to their program, their determination, and their class.