Some stupid coach tried to put Willie Beamon at cb, separated his shoulder. But I think you have to know how to tackle to play corner in the NFL.
Gil Brandt says he’d draft Denard Robinson to be a cornerback
"Steaming" Willie Beamon!
this post made my christmas eve. how long have you been waiting to use this?
Said I got quick feet.. I'm a quarterback, I'm not made to tackle 230 pounds motherfuckers.
Why not? If Chip Kelly does get a head coaching gig in the pros coupling Denard with Kelly's system would be fairly electric. Come to think about it imagine if Kelly went out and also got Tebow, Denard and Dixon to be his QB's - wouldnt take much of a cap hit at all and he'd have a dream team of spread QBs if and when one got hurt.
Think of the options - literally and figuratively - if all three of them were in the backfield at the same time. Multiple reverses. Triple option. Read option. Pitch out then a pass. Etc.
...I had a three way with a bisexual couple last night and my head is still spinning trying to figrue what that means. Just way too many options...
They'd have 3 different ways to throw an interception on the same play!
That's true, but Kelly actually doesn't prefer Denard-like guys (runners playing quarterback). He said he likes a passer that can keep a defense honest with his legs, and also that he would not have wanted Tebow in college. Either way, I can't wait to see what he does in the NFL.
He'll hire a veteran NFL OC and run the same system the Skins do.
I don't think Denard is good enough at the read part of the zone read to be really really great at it. It's the small things that other QBs do that put them over the top. I believe Pat White was a better fit in RR's offense. Watch Taylor Martinez on an inverted veer handoff and how long he holds onto the ball before taking off upfield. Would be very interesting to see though. Makes one wonder if Oregon's success would be sustainable without their mastermind.
I always thought the reasons people gave for why Denard couldn't play QB in the NFL were because (1) he's not an accurate enough thrower; (2) his decision making skills are not good enough; and (3) he is prone to injury.
Looking specifically at that third reason, how is moving him to a position that requires him to hit people going to prevent him from getting injured? Sadly, I think he needs to be a Desmond Howard-type, where he makes his living in the return game.
"... how is moving him to a position that requires him to hit people going to prevent him from getting injured?"
I'm reminded of what Butch Woolfolk told his son Troy about playing football -- "Be the guy who does the hitting, not the guy who takes the hits." Perhaps there's something about being the initiator rather than recipient that reduces (impossible to eliminate) the risk of injury?
I end on a question mark because I honestly don't know. Would seem to make some sense, but darned if I could articulate why.
Paul Simon agrees with Butch - "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail."
I'm doubtful about Denard's prospects at the next level, but I actually think playing nickel or something might not be a bad idea. We don't know how well he can catch, although perhaps playing slot and catching some drags and outs would be feasible. But, Denard is strong and tough and doesn't shy away from contact. I think returning kicks will be his most likely landing spot, I could see the attraction to the idea of him playing corner, in addition to wide receiver. He could probably take snaps as a wild cat or at runningback, but he'd probably transition to WR over time for a number of reasons, health being an important one.
IMO, that is his future...
I see that as the most ideal or ceiling for him- although I'd love to be proven wrong.
Whatever position will let him play works for me- it'd be great to see him suit up Sunday's no matter where on the field he plays!
I always thought that he would be drafted for special teams. I think punt return would be perfect for him.
For Denard's sake, I hope he never ends up with the Lions.
he can survive the lions. Very comparable levels of incompetency.
I think he may even have a chance in RB role. He's proven that he's not especially fragile and the RB core entering the draft this year is extremely weak. He just needs to learn how to block and maybe put on some more weight, which he may be able to do given that he doesn't need to work on throwing mechanics anymore.
Not at corner....corner makes a mistake they give up a td......and that mistake isn't one speed prevents cause a mistake gives up 3 or 4 full speed strides before you get the shot to correct it.....and a good nfl wr is already going down field and fast enough that you paid for it with 6pts......
Denard is that dangerous in the open field that getting him 5 to 10 touches a game is worth it....cause he can break it on any touch and is good enough to generate his own yds.......
I don't see Denard on defense. I don't think he's tall enough to be an elite corner. Plus he's only played on offense his whole life.
I'd love to see him in the slot or as a change of pace, east-west RB, but I think his best option to succeed is in the return game. Give him the ball in space, and he is a very dangerous weapon that will be able to outrun most, if not everyone on the field.
Either way, I think Denard is third day pick, maybe a very late second day pick depending on how he does at the Combine. He'll be a guy that some team is willing to take a chance on and will look at him as a project. He's a low risk, potentially very high reward kind of pick. He has the kind of elite athleticism that would make me absolutely shocked to see him not get picked up by anyone.
Denard played corner his entire career before Michigan and was recruited at corner to a number of schools, including Florida.
So, he's not tall enough to be a QB...but tall enough to be a corner? I know that cb's aren't necessarily very tall, but you'd be asking a guy that's only played offense to learn a whole new set of skills...I hope nobody is paying Brandt very much...
Projects in the 4th round and later every year. It's really not all that much of a risk either because the guaranteed money is so little at that stage in the draft.
his size has little to do with it... if he could throw like Drew Brees, he'd have a shot. But he's horrendously reckless with his arm.
at the combine, would denard be given a shot at qb or would it be as a wideout/rb?
The players ultimately decide where they will work out. Teams can request guys to do specific drills and I don't think anyone is dumb enough to say to their possible future employer waving a million dollar check
I don't know if this even means anything since it's coming from the Cowboys.
I love Denard and everythin UM, but that is way off to me! Denard is a finesse player. He would never hold up in the pros. Sorry.
Yea finesse players like Barry Sanders and Gayle Sayers never do well in the NFL
You do realize Sanders was built like a brick meatball right? His thighs were as thick as his waist. Denard is far more delicately framed sadly.
Denard will return kicks, play slot and run the WC like Josh Cribbs.
I've only seen Denard attempt a tackle once and he got injured on that attempt. I think this is why Gil is the EX general manager of the Dallas cowboys
Hester or Randel El
...ends up in the "faster Julian Edelman" range.
These types of articles really annoy because it shows what a diservice we've shown Denard by having Al as OC.
A heisman likely canadate with elite speed is now a probable third round selection because we didn't coach his talent correctly. In most years, Ok, a spread QB wont make it in the NFL but with RGIII and Wilson's success Denard had a real shot at something special and Michigan botched it.
I feel bad for Denard being a team player. He deserves better than we gave him. I like Dave and Brady, but this will always be a thorn in my claw with the two. With all the talk about U-M football being a business, we just royally screwed a good human being out of future money.
He deserves better than we gave him? If it wasn't for Michigan he would probably be playing corner at Florida. I don't think he would have been as successful at another school playing corner. I think Michigan and the new coaching staff did a good job with him.
They were more MANBALL than we ever were. And sorry, but RG3 is special. There isn't a coach out there that was making Denard a top pick at QB. No more than Pat White.
If you really want to talk about coaches costing him money, putting him at QB and then not moving him to his NFL position cost him money. But the outrage over a move would have been thunderous from the likes of you.
I hear you but I would argue Denard would have been much better served in a system more like the one he started in, which would translate into a higher draft spot and more Benjamins.
Who knows if he'd win a Heisman or get drafted as a QB if he left, all I'm saying is staying at Michigan and being coached by someone who's vision/talents didn't match his skillsets hurt Denard badly enough that now someone says he should be a CB at the next level.
As an adult, looking at a kid who was sold he should stay because we'll best use his skillsets & get him ready for the next level -- and in return shouldering unfair blame for losses and a drop in value upsets me deeply.
Though it pains me to say it, he should have transferred. Staying at Michigan after Rich Rod left did nothing for Denard's stock.
The University has made millions off of his 16 jersey and though he wont get a penny of it, it's OK, he'll make some money in the future. It balances itself all out, right?
/ End emotional rant
After Pat White flamed out, and with Tebow in the process of doing the same, there is no way Denard would have gone higher than the 6th round
Or, perhaps, keep Tony Sparano away from any and every QB.
This has been my view as well, very early in season, wanted DR out as QB due to turnover issues, and put in DG or the second string guy. Obvs second string was not a great idea, but DG earlier in the year may have saved Nebraska and the Div title. C'est la vie.
Yes, on the offense side Al Borges is not up to acceptable levels as OC but talented players such as DG and DR who can make something out of nothing keep the impact of his hideous play calls and schemes relatively minimized until we see what we see in the second half of Ohio.
wait, did you just compare Denard to RG3 and Russell Wilson, 2 of the most accurate passers in college football last year?
RG3 is one of the most deadly accurate throwers I've ever watched. That is why the Redskins are building a franchise around him. The fact that he can run and is a pure athlete is simply icing on the cake.
Russell Wilson clearly could throw, and his baseball skills certainly don't hurt with the accuracy. That's why he got a shot as an undersized QB.
Denard has always been an athlete that can throw JUST ENOUGH to take some heat off the run game and allow him to run wild. No offensive coordinator was going to miraculously turn him into an NFL QB. Sure, he could have been managed more effectively in a spread tailored to his talents, but that only really affects michigan over the last 2 years, not Denard in the NFL. He'll have just as good a chance to get paid in the NFL as any first rounder. It won't be as a QB, though. He'll make it elsewhere.
I think the first team to draft denard isn't going to pigeonhole him into a position. He will be drafted for his athleticism, positive character attributes and coachability. Where he goes from there is really going to be a mystery. I think he ultimately will end up doing a lot of things, from situational wildcat stuff, to slot receiver, RB, KO&PR. I could see him playing some D as well.
Think Josh Cribbs.
No (sane) team will draft him as a QB first. See: Miami Dolphins-Pat White. Also very true that Denard's passing wouldn't be at Chip Kelly's desired level, so unless he fell to the 5th or later round, don't see that match happening.
You mean how easily he picks things up? Like proper throwing mechanics, I'd say Denard is the epitome of not being coachable!
So much fail I'm this comment I'm not even sure how to reply. I suppose any athlete with undesirable technique isn't coachable in your mind, right? Some real sounds logic there.
Ha, I see what you did there. Very creative. Completely ignore the myriad of players in college and pros who struggled with throwing mechanics, blocking, or catching, or whatever who learned and improved as they matured.
I get the trolling because it's the internet so you can feel smart and snarky without any reasonable thought or repercussions, but maybe try to put some more thought in it next time.
I agree with the Josh Cribbs comparison but i see him more like Percy Harvin with his injury history. Explosive when he's in but not able to hold up an entire season.
I could see him as a Josh Cribbs or maybe even a Dexter McCluster
It's possible Gil Brandt mentioned Robinson as CB just to throw something different into the conversation ... to mix things up and get a little press. Robinson as CB is plausible, but unlikely.
Robinson was the 16th ranked CB according to scout. When Michigan gave him a shot at QB. CB is very plausible. Though he has shown a knack to make plays on the offensive side of the ball.
Yes, he probably would be decent at CB. He has more than enough agility for that. However, the dude is an offensive dynamo. To put him on the other side of the ball is just wasting all that.
Whatever the position, I just know that I'm building my team around him in Madden next year!
Denard is Devin Hester in the NFL. the difference is DR knows how offenses work, while Hester still has no idea and is a liability as a receiver for Jay Cutler and the Bears have used him there more often then they ever should have. But returning kicks? They seem to me to be identically skilled.
Devin Hester is the best kick returner in the history of the NFL. Denard once made an appearance on the kick return team. I'm not sure we can go there yet.
More like the Danny Woodhead of the NFL. That'll be his roll.
Robinson wouldn't be a full-time QB in the NFL unless it was with a specific system, but he can be a decent offensive player. People keep saying he's only good because the B1G is slow, so his speed advantage is amplified, but I don't buy that as an argument. He won't be the fastest guy in the NFL like he is now, but that speed is still extremely dangerous and could be put to good use on returns, sweeps, and in the slot.
In the last 7 years, only 15 people have run 40 times faster than Denard in the combine. I think only about 10 of those guys are still in the league. So yes he won't be the fastest on the field, but he's certainly up there with the fastest of them. He really does have legitimate elite speed, so it's not like he's middle of the pack.
I'd think he'd be a ridiculously rich motherfucker's Stefon Logan. RB/Slot/KR/WR. (Kidding on the Logan thing). He could have a brilliant career like Desmond Howard in that role.
Yeah I see him as a Logan type...and that's not so bad. He can make a pretty good living returning kicks. And he certainly would be an upgrade over Logan.
Gil Brandt is a fucking idiot.
Cornerback? Has he seen Denard tackle or in coverage?
The guy is a moron.
Second, if NFL owners think it wise to draft and start
QBs like Tavarius Jackson and David Garrard, then I don't see why Denard Robinson doesn't get a shot at QB too. Robinson is at least as good, and way more exciting.
I'm OK with Brandt's assessment, but I would draft him to be "slash."
D. Rob = Percy Harvin....??
Slot ninja, wildcat formation stuff, kick returns.