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October 20th, 2011 at 5:22 PM | Just to be clear when you communicate with Sparty... (Score:1)
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...the 'provocation' by Taylor Lewan is meaningless, based on past precedent.

Jonas Mouton was more intensely 'provoked' by the ND lineman whom he punched in 2009.  Mouton was on the ground in a semi-sitting position and was hit in the back as the play was whistled.  Mouton retaliated.  The previous provocation did not excuse Mouton, nor prevent his suspension.  End of story.

Gholston had no plausible defense to at least a one-game suspension.

I am tempted to throw up my hands and say that the B1G has effecitvely decided to abandon any responsibility to review anything other than punches.  But that's not the case.  And that's where the B1G has now gotten itself into an awful, incredible bind.

So forget about the Gholston punch.  That is an automatic one-game suspension, per the Mouton precedent.

Now, compare one other suspension (Zach Reckman, Purdue v. NIU, 2009) to (a) the second Gholston spearing/facemask and to (b) the Marcus Rush pile-driver.

It is simply inexplicable. 

 

 

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:11 PM | Just because it's sometimes (Score:2 Insightful)
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Just because it's sometimes fun to feed the fire (and I know that since the tweet bothered me, it would make you lose your mind):

 

 
Bob Wojnowski
bobwojnowski Bob Wojnowski 
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I don't know what's worse:Michigan fans obsessed about Gholston, or MSU fans obsessed about Michigan fans obsessed about Gholston #obsession
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October 20th, 2011 at 8:10 PM | I know what's worsE than both . . . (Score:0 Trolling)
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That picture of Wojo stuffing his face. Idiot.

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:04 PM | You and I both know; (Score:1)
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that with all of the professional sports screamers in metro Detroit, Bob Wojnowski works at developing a public image for himself as a middle-of-the-road guy.  Avoiding extreme positions, trying to be the voice of the sensible middle.  It is an intentionally cultivated niche.

I think he is one of the more boring and uninteresting writers in town as a result.  He's fine as a reporter.  He's just boring as a columnist.

 

 

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October 20th, 2011 at 5:33 PM | Live Arrogantly (Score:1)
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Live by arrogance, die by arrogance.

Brady Hoke - High quality recruits one or two at a time.

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:06 PM | (Score:2)
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See you then, Abortion!!!

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:59 PM | I believe (Score:2 Normal)
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his name is Tom.



Make no mistake he is target now for all opponents. His dirty play has been exposed. Can you say "chop block"? I was actually hoping he would be suspended for Nebraska instead. Wanted to see him get manhandled by that OL. Never been one to wish injury on anyone, but wouldn't feel too bad to see his ACL explode.

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:15 PM | Ungh. (Score:2 Normal)
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I heard plenty of State fans clamoring for that on Saturday.  Let's not match two wrongs.

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October 21st, 2011 at 10:29 AM | Not cool dude. (Score:1)
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No matter how big of an asshat Tom is and what he did during the game wishing a college kid to get injured is wrong.

"It's me Bitches"
-Ari Gold

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:07 PM | Sorry mother for my (Score:1)
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Sorry mother for my language... but its about FUCKING TIME!!

 

"When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing."

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:09 PM | I kinda dont want him to get (Score:1)
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I kinda dont want him to get suspended cause now when MSU loses they will have an excuse for the next 365days...

Playing football on Wall Street

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:28 PM | Quote from ESPN's site (Score:1)
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MSU AD Mark Hollis:

"We wanted the Big Ten to understand the totality of the situation and that this act does not reflect the culture and values of Spartan Football and Michigan State University. We are accountable for the incident and accept the prescribed penalty."

Uh, no, Marky-boy, the act DOES reflect the culture and LACK of values of Spartan football and MSU, and your department's further NYPD-esque refusal to act on it internally only reinforces that.  Now EABOD and DIAF.  I don't like hypocrites in sports any more than politics.

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:41 PM | I wonder if he kept a (Score:2 Normal)
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I wonder if he kept a straight face while saying that.

Michigan Resurgent?  Michigan Resurgent!

The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:42 PM | “We wanted the Big Ten to (Score:2)
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“We wanted the Big Ten to understand the totality of the situation and that this act does not reflect the culture and values of Spartan Football and Michigan State University. We are accountable for the incident and accept the prescribed penalty.”

When actions match words = accountability.

When actions don't match words = hypocrisy.

What exactly are the "culture and values of Spartan Football" as shown in on-field activities vs. what they say it is? By all means, don't actually address the problem, just pretend it doesn't exist. So glad the B1G is making sure that its scholar athletes are learning important life lessons like authenticity, accountability and character. /s  In a way, it makes me even more proud of Coach Hoke and the team. I have not a second of doubt regarding how Hoke would have handled a similar situation.

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:24 PM | I think (Score:1)
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Spartan values are a myth conceived by Dantonio in an attempt to make the Spartans seem like a relevant program with viable accountability to their performance both on and off the field. Essentially, to make them seem more like Michigan.

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:45 PM | Favorite quote from the (Score:2 Normal)
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Favorite quote from the article:

"We wanted the Big Ten to understand the totality of the situation and that this act does not reflect the culture and values of Spartan Football and Michigan State University. We are accountable for the incident and accept the prescribed penalty."

I literally laughed out loud when I read this. Didn't Pat Narduzzi say something about MSU striving to play "60 minutes of unnecessary roughness". In the past 5 years, there have been 20 personal fouls, MSU has 16 of them, Michigan just 4.

HAIL.

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October 20th, 2011 at 6:53 PM | well (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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i am sure they as in state are 100 percent okay with this. the win plus pushing us around for a one game suspension they will take that every year i would think.

21 years of coaching and every senior who stayed had at least 1 big ten title... That is what " Those who stay will be champions" will really get you Ohio native Bo Schembechler.

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:12 PM | Reading around different (Score:2)
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Reading around different message boards it's funny to see State fans blaming the whining Michigan faithful for the suspension. 

I know I shouldn't be but I am surprised by the way they embrace and defend the personal fouls.     

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:18 PM | All I can say is it's about (Score:1)
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All I can say is it's about time.  MSU was doing a darn good job of stalling

THIS IS MICHIGAN

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:39 PM | I TAKE NO JOY IN THIS (Score:0 Flamebait)
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My post here will be lost in the cacaphony of 177+ posts (the number at the time I wrote this).  But I feel compelled to speak my peace.

All week, I have found myself unable to care that Tom committed attrocities against humanity in the game.  Today I have no joy that he is suspended.  I actually feel like it is WRONG to care.

The reason is this.  MSU kicked our asses.  They humbled us.  Last year, after the PSU game, I posted a forum piece -- negged to death -- that our team was weak, not physical, incapable of competing with B1G teams.  I stated my position at the time that RR had to go.  I was vindicated when UW, OSU and MSU (NTMSU) ran the frak all over us, and RR did in fact go.

The problem still exists.  The O and D are not talented enough nor prepared enough to deal with the physical battering they received.  Hoke poops gold and no one can deny his pointing, and selling jerseys in Ohio cannot be a bad thing, but it hasn't even been a year into his administration.  We are still weak.  MSU physically owned us Saturday.

When we (collectively, spiritually) take a beating like that, I cannot take any glory that our abusers crossed the line of fair play.  It's weak, it's whining, it's attempting to get a moral victory where the only thing that mattered -- the physical play -- we clearly lost, badly.  The bully beat the crap out of us, and the fact he buggered us while doing it isn't grounds to complain, I'm sorry, it's not.

To me, this is for the future.  Next year.  The team needs to remember this abuse from Tom and others, and be physically ready to compete next year.  The incoming class will help, then the one after that.  Hoke needs time.  By 2013 and 2014, MSU probably won't physically dominate us -- in fact, in 2014, Devin and/or Shane will toss for 350 years and we'll run for another 200+ and win by 4+ TDs.  So I'm not sullen about the future at all.

But we should stop giving a crap that Tom got suspended.  Boo hoo.  He owns us until we do the same to him next year.

And I hope someone rips his facemask to the side and breaks his neck.  Not really, of course, but you get the idea.

 

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:44 PM | I disagree. (Score:1)
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I disagree that the only thing that mattered was the physical play.  I disagree that we should stop giving a crap about suspensions.

I can accept that we lost, that they were more physical than we.  But I cannot accept the bullshit after the whistle.  Just because they won should not mean that kneeing Denard and twisting his head around, and twisting Lewan's arm and punching him are OK.  I still think sportsmanship matters.

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The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:01 PM | ugh (Score:0 Flamebait)
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Then you are now.... Rice.  Vanderbilt.  Duke (football).  San Jose State (sans Tater).

I'm not saying sportsmanship doesn't matter, of course it's way better to be classy.  But my gut tells me, when we got pwned, we can't complain that we were also abused.  We didn't show.  When we can bring an equal fight to them, then we can demand fair play.  Until then, we really are just whining.  That's just how I feel.

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:12 PM | We didn't play Michigan (Score:1)
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We didn't play Michigan football, but to bring up Rice, Vanderbilt, Duke, WTF??!!?!

 

When we can bring an equal fight to them, then we can demand fair play.

 

I just don't even get this mindset. Fair play isn't something to be demanded only if you're "good enough," it's an expectation, whatever the situation.

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:28 PM | Amen (Score:1)
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This argument is just asinine. Rules are rules folks. Football is a violent game, but it has rules that govern the game. If we abandon those rules, this might as well be the Coliseum.

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:16 PM | For what it's worth . . . (Score:2 Normal)
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I'd rather be a Vandy or a Dukie than a Sparty. Every day of the week. I'll take the academics and the class over dirty wins. It IS more than just about winning.

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:34 PM | I think you're missing the point. (Score:2)
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This isn't about what "they" did to "us". By ignoring everything but the punch the B1G has given a green light to attempts to injure opposing players, even after the whistle. It's going to be left to the players on the field to police it, and that means it's going to snowball. It may not happen this week, or even this year, but sooner or later a body slam's going to break a quarterback's collarbone or a retaliatory chop block is going to shatter someone's leg. And when that day comes the fault will lie squarely in the office of Jim Delaney.

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:02 PM | TL;DR (Score:2)
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TL;DR

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:29 PM | Geroge Sipple (MSU beat-writer) in the Freep. (Score:1)
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Sipple does the writeup on the Gholston suspension.  And he writes that Gholston was provoked, and includes this sentence:

Before the punch, Gholston was dragged to the ground by his face mask by Lewan.  

"...dragged to the ground by his face mask..."

Here's the video.  Is that statement by Sipple true?  Is it even a debatable or arguable assertion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMqbRgOGq24 

That's the Sparty video that attempts to show as much of a foul on the part of Lewan as possible.  You won't see the Gholston punch in this clip.  The clip stiops.  Doesn't matter; if it seems unclear to you, look at Gholston's feet in the first seconds of the video as he falls; he is essentially falling to the ground with his back to Lewan.  It is anatomically impossible that Lewan has a hold on Gholston's face mask insofar as he'd be "dragging [Gholston] to the ground by his face mask."  We do see Lewan holding Gholston's head down as the play moves downfield.  We see Lewan get his hands in Gholston's face, and get what looks like a thumb into Gholston's face mask.  It is all there for you to see and make up your own mind.

By the way, here's a video that was apparently intended to show Lewan getting pwned by Gholston.  What I see is the brutal arm-bar by Gholston.  More than any punch, more than any facemasking offense this play (along with Marcus Rush's extremely dangerous personal foul on Denard) was the one play in the game most evident of a foul with the intent to cause injury.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4iM4vNKF0 

 

 

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:18 PM | Blog it! (Score:2 Normal)
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You gotta get your thoughts on that new blog! I want to read a full write-up instead of these bits and pieces. This is a perfect first issue to address. C'mon Section 1 - your readership compels you.

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:55 PM | I think I need a blog-tutor. (Score:1)
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And perhaps a different day-job.

 

 

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:30 PM | Only one? (Score:1)
Teepodum
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What a joke. I guarantee if state knew the consequences beforehand they still would have done it, because the benefits outweigh the consequences. That by definition means it wasn't harsh enough.

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October 20th, 2011 at 7:43 PM | Golf clap (Score:1)
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{clap, clap, clap.}

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:04 PM | Dantonio the disciplinarian (Score:2)
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Fuck those losers.

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:19 PM | So, next year... (Score:1)
Fredgoblu
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...on the first play of the game, the O-line should quintuple block Gholston, and in the scrum deliver a knee to the ribs, an arm bar, and a 120 degree twist of the helmet. The tight end should deliver two collarbone chops to Bush and drive him to the ground on his shoulder. 15 yard penalty. No further action from the B1G.

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:34 PM | Yea but (Score:1)
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God forbid you should ever punch somebody in the helmet... That's just dangerous.

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:36 PM | Avoid the punching... (Score:1)
Fredgoblu
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That'll get you suspended. Anything else...OK per the B1G.

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October 20th, 2011 at 8:44 PM | Silly Big Ten. (Score:1)
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Silly Big Ten.

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October 20th, 2011 at 11:30 PM | And Denard should rifle the football (Score:2)
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Into his nuts.



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October 20th, 2011 at 9:07 PM | FREE TOM!!! (Score:2)
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FREE TOM!!!

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:16 PM | Stop overreacting to the (Score:-1 Overrated)
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Stop overreacting to the facemask twist, people.  It was a stupid, dirty thing for Gholston to do.   We understand.  It happens in football.  He got a 15-yarder for it (along with his late hit).  His team was punished on the field for unnecessary roughness.  Denard didn't get hurt.

Let it go.  Yeesh.

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October 20th, 2011 at 10:06 PM | Denard DID get hurt. (Score:1)
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Denard was hurt.  He got up from that pileup rolling his head.  That play hurt his neck.  I was there.  I saw it.  There's a brief moment of it on the telecast too.

And then, Denard was much more seriously hurt by the personal foul committed by Marcus Rush.

If "Denard getting hurt" is one of your criteria for suspension, the Rush foul qualifies.

 

 

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October 21st, 2011 at 7:24 AM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Yeah, it was nothing? To me it was the most serious thing the Danto-drone did. I feel sorry for the kid really. He was encouraged to act that way and most likely rewarded. It's no wonder why Greg jones goes undrafted. Who wants to invest money or stock in people that have no character or honor?

All in for some manball.

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:18 PM | WTF!!!!!!!!!! (Score:1)
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One game? WTF? That kid should sit for at least 3 games!! One game for throwing a punch, and two games for twisting Denard's helmet while he was defenseless. Smdh, Gholston better have his head on the swivel next year!!!!

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:35 PM | HAHA (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Look at the UM weenies crying! You lost the game boys! Why don't you put your pull-ups back on and keep trying not to wet your pants!

Bo would be throwing up if he saw you pathetic excuses for UM people. I remember back when UM was a respectable oponent who whooped MSU's ass every year. What happened? Where did those fans go? The fans who used to applaud Lloyd for not suspending players for Gholstonesque play. Has the entire fanbase been wussified?

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:37 PM | Actually (Score:2 Normal)
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The Game is in November. We haven't lost it yet. We lost A game.

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:39 PM | Also (Score:1)
mgobluebraelow
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Weenie? I don't think someone has been called a weenie since, like, 1952. You're just a prick.

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:40 PM | (Score:2)
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I slept with your wife.

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October 20th, 2011 at 11:29 PM | Did you (Score:2)
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Tip her?

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:52 PM | pride (Score:2)
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comes before the fall. Just remember that. In the mean time, stroll on back to either Mlive or RCMB or wherever mouth-breathers like you come from.

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:37 PM | Really not surprised... (Score:0 Flamebait)
mgoblueftw
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I dont think that what the players did was really all that out of the ordinary. Its a pretty heated in state rivalvy that i would expect some dirty play in. Ill bet Michigan was doin some of the same stuff, we just didnt get caught. I Ghoulston should def. be suspended for the punch to Lewan and flagged again for the Denard facemask thing, but its really nothing i wouldnt suspect. I hope 

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