Re: laptop controversy...they were just meeting university requirements, k.
Sims was just meeting his educational requirements (+/- $158 000)
Computer Requirement at Michigan State University
Yeah but the MSU Ski Mask Incident does!
read your posts as the Ultimate Warrior yelling at me.
Not to be a Debbie Downer, but James Brian Hellwig, aka the Ultimate Warrior, spews a lot of bigotry in his post-wrestling career.
Here's an example that I find inexplicable, considering how I used to root for him as a lad (WWF came to Bedrock aeons ago).
Goodbye, Tom! Keep that helmet strapped up for the postgame interview.
Say it ain't so, Tommy!
Michigan will not be facing him again, both because he IS a fine player, and because--to often--he crossed the line into unsportsmanlike conduct.
On the MGoBlog you better get your to/too's correct. See earlier Dion Sims thread
There are three (twos?, too's?, to's?) in the english language.
You forgot about Tiw, Norse god of war.
THE DIABEETUS KNOWS ALL!
I think it means constantly being a dick
You could say that...
Him. Wait, we are talking about Clowney right? Who is this other guy?
Na na na na, na na na na, HEY HEY HEY, GOOODBYYYYE!!!
Your e-singing voice is beautiful. You should try out for TheVoice.com or something (not that I know what that is).
don't think it will affect their defense much, I mean the guy was much more bark than bite
Yep. Their backup was much more impressive to me when he saw time. Barksdale I believe
Avon? I always thought you two had a mutual respect.
+1 for referencing the wire.
I had thought they used Denzel Drone quite a bit as Gholston's backup, but I could be wrong. The point remains that this might be the easiet component to replace of the three who have left in the last 18 hours or so. Supposedly, they have a RS freshman - Shilique Calhoun - that they claim to see as the logical replacement as well, but obviously, a lot of unknowns there in terms of ceiling for him. If the Spartans feel this anywhere next year, it might be in the areas of TFL and sacks, where Gholston still contributed about 20% of each for for them. In combination with other losses, Narduzzi may have to design a secret blitz that requires no pass rushing, of course.
Gibbons likes Pirates.
Including early departures, who is MSU losing this year? How many seniors?
Johnny Adams at CB, Norman at LB, Hoover and White at DT, Gholston
McDonald and Fonoti on the OL
Sims at TE and Bell at RB
Dan Conroy at kicker
O should be very poor, worse than this year. They still have the core of a good D with Rush, Bullough, Denicos Allen, I.Lewis and Dennard. But not as good as this year
To be fair, we are losing a lot in the trenches too. Next year's offensive line is probably going to be brutal, at times. Could be as many as three redshirt freshmen starting.
It could be bad, but guys like Kalis might be an upgrade after another offseason of coaching and camps.
Their back 7 will be good, probably not the best in the conference, maybe not the best in the state.
But that matters little when your DL sucks. A good secondary is neutralized when there's no pass rush and good LBs are neutralized when OL get a free release on them.
He'll be a combine warrior and be drafted way too high like Vernon.
Vernon was actually productive in college, and only flopped once his pharmaceutical tendencies started to be scrutinized in the NFL.
Tom was never productive. Even if you're a physical freak, you won't do much in college if you loaf around on the majority of plays. NFL scouts watch for that kind of thing.
Wow, stupid move
Where's the threat in EL? All gone to the NFL, LOL.
He has also mastered the art of just leaning on the OL.
With Sims, Bell, and Gholston gone, what impact does that have on Bullough & Dennard? MSU is really lucky that they seem to have held on to Narduzzi, because if he left too it could be completely back breaking to this team.
Bullough's an MSU legacy guy, so I think he's staying no matter what. Dennard's said he's leaning towards staying, but wasn't 100% sure. The departure of three teammates might sway him.
No need to worry. I'm sure Dantonio to will shape a new Gholtson like player who plays tough, acts like a thug and makes unsportsmanlike conduct a work of art.
It's honestly a good idea for him to leave this year. He'll be drafted in the mid rounds on potential. If he stayed another year and had another lackluster performance, he may not be drafted at all.
the exact same thing. Better to be a 4th/5th round guy now, than a FA next year. On the other hand, staying and finishing a degree so you can actually contribute to society at some point in your life isn't a bad idea either. But of course, that concept is lost on a lot of good college athletes.
Even if he never signs a deal after his rookie contract, the majority of the lifetime earnings of a guy like Gholston are going to come from the NFL. I could be wrong, but a guy like him doesn't strike me as a mental powerhouse. For most people a college degree is a sign of accomplishment, but for a guy who puts just enough into their school to stay eligible for football, getting that piece of paper won't turn you from Goofus into Gallant.
Can't say it's going to be a massive loss for them production wise but every bit helps. I get the feeling we're going to have to run it well, early, and often when we play them in EL next year so any less talent on the DL will help us there. The biggest benefit here for me though, is that we get to stop hearing about how much of a "beast" he is.
Gholston didn't do a ton against us, but that's because we had the best LT in the country lined up across from him. Next year, Gholston likely would have been better, and Schofield isn't Lewan. Now, their starter will be Joel Heath, and his back up will be some noob.
MSUs worst position recruiting-wise over the lt few years has been the DL, so every guy they lose there is a big hit for them. They will be young, small and thin on the DL for the next couple years.
Joel Heath had both Kansas and NC State offers to go along with a B1G offer from Minnesota.
He also didn't do a ton, or even a lb, against the other 12 teams they played and they mostly likely weren't all starting the best LT in the country, as well.
But he wasn't a scrub either. He had 4.5 sacks on the season. He had 9 tackles and a sack against TCU in the bowl game. That's not world beater numbers, but those are stats you'd rather not lose.
of Tom Ghol.
I am sure the Jets will draft him early.
Originally, I cared the least about his NFL status out of pretty much anyone on MSU"s roster. However, in hindsight, this could actually be a pretty important development. Yes, he was highly overrated and wasn't much of a factor this season, but look at their defensive line. They now lose 3/4 starters. Yes, we know they have built some decent depth on the defensive side, but that is certainly going to be a challenge to replace, especially for a positional group that certainly took a step back this season.
I won't say this is going to wreck their defense or anything, but I definitely think this could be important for hurting their d-line and defensive production. When you add in that they play on a team with a struggling offense that just lost its best two players, MSU could be in for another rough year next season, even with a forgiving schedule.
Even though he has major upside, this is still a big mistake. You don't leave school early to be picked in the middle to late rounds. Economically, he would be way better off taking another year to work on technique. Plus, it sure is nice to have a college degree that you can use for the 25-35 years that you need to earn a paycheck outside of professional football.
Well, you see, he's likely already taken all of the golf, bowling, and football courses that State offers. If he were to stay another year, he might actually have to take some courses which require studying.
Maybe Gholston just doesn't want to be in college and didn't feel that motivated at MSU.
Gholston has the "measureables" to get drafted. If he applies himself in the weight room between now and the Combine, he could convince a team to take a chance on him.
Along with the trifecta, the also lose Norman and Addams as well as their starting NT and DT. Also lose 2 of their best 3 OL. Intergalactic recruiting better step it up. I still stand by my statement that Narduzzi will bolt this offseason, as life without Tom will be unbearable....lol #spartytears
Tyler's not here. Tyler went away. Tyler gone.
He probably wont be drafted before the fifth round simply because he hasn't produced. Bye Tom
Mgoblog readers' perceptions of Gholston seem largely (if not exclusively) based on his "more bark than bite" performances against UM.
But in most MSU games I've seen, WG was a pretty disruptive presence off the end; and against UM, he was usually lined up against a top 15 NFL draft pick in Lewan (even without that bone-jarring hit on Vincent Smith, I doubt any of us would think Clowney wasn't that great simply because Lewan held him at bay -- not comparing the two ends, just saying our Lewan-UM glasses might shade our evals of Gholston).
Also, as a multi-year starter with a year of eligibility left, Gholston could have taken a leap next year, too. All in all: big loss for MSU.
Edit: Obvious conclusion is obvious -- a big loss for MSU makes me happy.
Courtesy of Casablanca; Mark Dantonio's final words to Tom Gholston:
Coach D: "Hey, Will; Will -- is that your name? Because Lynn Henning and Drew Sharp were telling me something about Tom-- oh never mind, it doesn't matter anymore. Anyway, last night, we said a great many things. You said I was to do the thinking for both of us. Well, I've done a lot of it since then and it all adds up to one thing. You're getting on that plane to the combine where you belong."
Tom G: "But Coach, no, I've..."
Coach D: "Now, you've got to listen to me. Do you have any idea what you've have to look forward to if you stayed here? Nine chances out of ten, we'd both wind up in an NCAA concentration camp, or the Ingham County Jail. Isn't that true, Louis?"
Captain Louis Renault (played brilliantly by a holographic image of deceased actor Claude Rains): "I'm afraid the NCAA would insist."
Tom: "You're saying this only to make me go."
Coach D: "I'm saying it because it's true. Inside of us, we both know you belong with the Ravens, or the Raiders. You're part of their ethos; one of the thugs that sell tickets in Baltimore or Oakland; the thing that keeps them going. If that plane leaves the ground and you're not with an agent, you'll regret it. Maybe not today, and maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life.
Tom G: "What about us?"
Coach D: "We'll always have East Lansing, and those bronze age uniforms. We didn't have - we'd - we'd lost it until you came to East Lansing. We got it back last week, in the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl."
Tom G: "When I said I would never leave you.."
Coach D: "And you never will. I've got a job to do too. Where I'm going -- to the middle tier of the Legends Division -- you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of. Tom, I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little personal fouls doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that. Now, now. Here's looking at you, kid." ""
This is what happens when you recruit nationally and coach em up as much as MD. See ya Tom!
I honestly never saw him do anything that didn't involve a Personal Foul. See ya Tom!
I'm glad he's leaving. He didn't reach his potential, but (like Sims) might have in 2013 if he'd stayed. The guy who replaces him probably won't be as talented.
He probably couldn't stand the thought of having to face Lewan again. Oh wait....
From what I read, he has a young child. The opportunity to make good money now and provide for his family is probably what's on his mind. He can get drafted in the 5th round and make a half million a year. I would do it.
Bodes well for whoever our new LT will be. Be a big drop off from him to whoever his backup is.
Who's Will Gholston?
Bye bye tom
Looking forward to the hype train following him to the bench in the CFL.
See ya tom! Hope you enjoyed losing to Michigan and Brendan The Threat Gibbons!
I wouldn't downplay what Gholston could have done to us next year without Lewan protecting the QBs blind side. That could have been a frightening matchup for a redshirt freshman tackle.
This is Michigan Fergodsakes. Wouldn't have been that big of a problem.
Interesting decision. I don't see him being drafted before the fourth round. He might have come up with this when he got the wind knocked out of his head.
It's amazing that these guys are leaving especially since they aren't projected to go in the first two rounds.
He's extremely lucky he didn't get hurt with the overuse D put on him. He had something like 40 carries against BOISE. With the crap o-line MSU had/has, writing was on the wall. Solid bowl game closed it
Looking forward to seeing Lewan and Gohlston in the NFL going at it.
you mean you can't wait to see Gholston go at it with the ground after Lewan donkey rides him into it, then I completely agree
Hope he does as well as his cousin!!
He sucked in college and he won't have a chance in hell in the NFL. Those olineman will tear him a new one. Bye jackass.
Are they Spartrats abandoning the ship because their captain is interviewing for other jobs where it will be easier to recruit and win? No one can accuse Dantonio of being dumb and it does not help that the greatest coach in Spartan history is playing for yet another national championship down in Alabama.
Lewan ends up on top, Gholston a footnote.
This is going to be awesome for everyone except for, possibly, Michigan. Blue loses a great LT and an incompetant opponent.
Good riddance. The only thing that comes to mind is his low-class move to try to break Denard's neck.
They brought the hate on themselves!
bell, sims, and Gholston gone? Who is left?
I bet he didn't want to compete for his job next year. I mean really what did this guy accomplish this past season? Did he lead the team in sacks, TFL's maybe team leader in tackles, or was he just leading in Personal Fouls. He will get his chance in the NFL for sure but I personally look for him to bust.
He had a crappy year, but if he performs well at the Combine, he could still be a middle round guy. He's got the right physical attributes.
When this year started, I thought he'd be either the best, or one of the best defensive ends in college football behind Clowney and the LSU studs. But Gholston isn't even a poor man's Clowney. He's like a homeless version of Clowney. If that.