The Gholston attack on Denard
I was at the game and could not see the attempt to break Denard's neck. Just back home and this was the single worst behavior I have ever seen on a football field. This was a deliberate attempt to injure a defenseless player that was on the ground. This incident needs to be shown to EVERY coach in college football and then the B1G and the NCAA need to let Gholston know that he is permanently banned from playing college football. The NFL would ban him for this behavior - intentionally attacking a defenseless player with the sole intent of injury (or worse) as Denard could have been permanently injured.
I pray that ESPN and B1G Network take the lead by showing the replay over and over so that every college football coach and fan knows exactly what Gholston did.
Go Blue!
October 16th, 2011 at 6:10 AM ^
You are a fucking idiot. He's not insinuating that Hoke should actually gameplan in such a way that ignores football and attacks a single player regardless of the playcall. He also said if HE were Hoke he would do it. The world is lucky none of us is Hoke. Seriously, go do something better with your time than trolling on a message board.
If my team won, I would be celebrating and happy, not trolling some board on the Internet. Let the losers sulk and discuss. Completely shows your true colors as a fanbase. And no, white is not a color.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:40 PM ^
he would kick this guy off the team, but i don't think he would be kicked off the team of the team unless he commited a series of mass murders, then he might be suspended, for a game.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:41 PM ^
I'll be surprised if he isn't suspended 2 games. No doubt he should have been ejected.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:42 PM ^
I really admire Hoke for not saying shit about the game today, but at the same time, I really hope he says something on Monday.... I really hope that the media exposes some of the bull shit they pulled and even the shit their coaches have said... it should be completely unacceptable....
my MOM, who doesnt even really care about football was digusted to the point of trying to contact the NCAA haha
October 15th, 2011 at 10:14 PM ^
I think Hoke should talk about it and it has nothing to with whining or complaining. He is responsible for every player on the team and as the HC should do everything possible to keep them safe. If that means going to the Big Ten to insure Gholston never has another chance to play wannabe thug , then so-be-it.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:53 PM ^
Michigan state just lowered themselves into Ohio's class. Way to go jackoffs. Now ND is my 3rd most hated team.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:21 PM ^
Honestly this shit is way worse than what's gotten Ohio in trouble. OSU is comparatively classy on the field (with some notable exceptions, including 1 legendary head coach). Improper benefits are against the rules, but at least they don't injure anybody.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:56 PM ^
Gholston should be suspended by the Big Ten for the year not because of the puch, but the helmet twisting is one of the most dangerous plays i've ever seen someone make.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:05 PM ^
I think ESPN needs to highlight these events.. They are running 2 stories on front page about Michigan St getting the 4th win, but nothing about how unsportsman-like the game was...
October 15th, 2011 at 10:07 PM ^
Justice (and Karma) would be for him to get suspended for 2 games, and MSU to lose those 2 games while he's out and lose a shot at the B1G Championship Game.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:08 PM ^
More I see that video, the more I get mad at missing that 4th and inches.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:09 PM ^
Nebraska RB Rex Burkhead had his helmet violently twisted vs. Iowa State last year, but A.J. Klein was not suspended. Hope the Big 10 deals with Gholston more appropriately!
October 15th, 2011 at 11:18 PM ^
How did the refs miss that one?
October 15th, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^
unfortunately this play won't garner a suspension because the LB initiated the contact before the whistle, his actions--although very dangerous--appear to be in an attempt to keep the player from crossing the line, and this doesn't last much past the whistle. But, I can't come up with an excuse or even mitigating reasoning for what Gholston did.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:09 PM ^
If that happens I won't mind the loss to MSU and I'd laugh at the fact that they killed their bcs bowl quest with a stupid play by Gholston.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:10 PM ^
first off indiana blue ur clearly a little puss. i love the wolverines, and im fucking pissed we lost...but are u fuckin kidding? did u ever play football, or any sport???! yes we shouldve seen an ejection on both plays by gholston, but they did get flagged both times.
to suggest the kid should go to jail and be banned is simply ludicrous. the spartans won. the reason we lost is the playcalling was awful. substituting drob and gardner on 1st downs was a terrible idea.
lewan had his helmet on, there wont be a suspension for the year. im sorry but all of u complaining like this reads like sore losers. im pissed we lost, but to end a kids career is insane. ive played in rivalry games and i was a qb. i got hit in many places and had many things happen, and yeah it sucked but its FOOTBALL.
im just shocked to see the crying about this.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:13 PM ^
Yeah! Ending a kids career is insane! Gholston shouldn't have his career ended! Now if you let me get back to making excuses for Gholston trying to end Denard's career.....
October 15th, 2011 at 10:31 PM ^
was wrong and uncalled for. its poor sportsmanship and the intent to injure is not appropriate. my whole point was that some people are way overboard with the whole "suspend him for the rest of his career and the nfl should ban him too"
by that logic if a person ever did anythign wrong, they should be banned from their future career too....hey indiana blue, did u ever cheat on a test in school? u did? okay ur banned from future employment at my automotive company. pick up my garbage, republic could use a new driver.
October 15th, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^
You should know that attempting to break someone's neck, or at least cause serious injury, is much, much worse than cheating on a test. Cheating on a test can damage a career, sure, but a broken neck completely alters someone's life, not just a career. Don't act like the two are similar.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:16 PM ^
If you had a kid and someone tried to break their neck would you be upset or would you tell your kid to stop being a pussy and have a stronger neck?
October 15th, 2011 at 10:26 PM ^
the guy writing this thread was. the crying and call for banning a player forever is pathetic, and u know it.
having ur helmet pulled like that hurts, i know. what im saying is the reaction of some people is literally insane. its the same people who probably vote to give trophies to every team in little league. its the same people who vote not to keep score in those little league games. what im saying is its football, its supposed to be VIOLENT, its even supposed to be dirty and painful.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:53 PM ^
its supposed to be VIOLENT, its even supposed to be dirty and painful.
No, no it's not. It's why they wear pads, and why there are team physicians, and why there are guidelines as to how to handle concussions, and why there is so much discussion regarding brain damage and former NFL players. At the end of the day, it is a game. No one should ever be in that grave danger of losing his ability to walk, especially after a play is over.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:44 PM ^
playing hard in a physical game is sport ... wretching a defenseless players head as he trapped under the pile for the pure intent of injury is not about blocking and tackling. Since you played you should have respect for the game
October 15th, 2011 at 10:48 PM ^
the nfl would hand out a $15,000 fine. thats it. for a 2nd offense, itll go up. not until the 4th or 5th will a suspension be issued.
look at all the helmet to helmet hits, and thy give the players multiple fines before they suspend them
October 16th, 2011 at 12:13 AM ^
You're a fucking moron.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:16 PM ^
Is that you Mrs Gholston?
October 15th, 2011 at 10:59 PM ^
PUSSY!!!! Me big man.
October 16th, 2011 at 12:22 AM ^
I'll probably get you more negs by thanking you for some much needed perspective, but here goes. It was an incredibly stupid thing for Gholston to do. People who've never played football don't understand the amount of shit that goes on during a game. Honestly, I have no issue with Gholston getting tossed from the game after the punch--allowing that kind of stuff can let game get our of control. Plus, Gholston will think twice before doing it again.
But, serioulsy, can people honestly think he was trying to break Denard's neck or kill him? Come on. We can't stand each other's team, but I have no desire to see anyone hurt--especially seriously. And, neither does any coach or player. Many of these guys know each other and are friendly off the field. NO ONE would support or condone such a thing.
Now, please neg me. Take it out on me. But, seriously....
October 16th, 2011 at 2:08 AM ^
Break his neck? Kill him? I would hope the answer would be no on both accounts, but injure? Absolutely. There is no other reason for that to take place, especially after the whistle has blown.
October 16th, 2011 at 11:01 AM ^
How I wish we could Neg-Bomb people to Bolivia.....
I'll agree, Gholston wasn't trying to paralyze him or kill him. But he was definitely trying to injure him seriously enough to knock him out of the game
October 15th, 2011 at 10:13 PM ^
October 15th, 2011 at 10:16 PM ^
I dont think simply talking the tape and "feeling this for a while" are appropriate responses. I understand not letting them get to you but you also have to draw a line to let them know you wont be a pushover and to also fight for the right thing. Gholston can not get away with his actions.
October 16th, 2011 at 1:11 AM ^
You might try to win next year's game. That'd be a start.
October 16th, 2011 at 1:35 AM ^
And make some friends. That'd be a start.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^
Too much bullshit play calling. We got our asses kicked. Now it's time to get back up and beat some boilermaker ass.
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<br>GO BLUE
October 15th, 2011 at 10:28 PM ^
I just don't see Jim Delany overlooking this. I think when he hears of the... 3 or 4 roughing the passer calls, he takes a look at everything. I think even #44 on MSU gets a game suspension. Throwing the QB to the ground 4 seconds after he released the ball? Dantonio should also be disciplined, as should Narduzzi. Dantonio is supposed to instill Big Ten values in his guys. He's not. Narduzzi shouldn't be saying that personal foul penalties are ok by him. That's unacceptable for any coach at any position in the Big Ten. That's not the Big Ten I grew up watching. If Dantonio is really worried about winning that much, then he should recruit better and game plan better. Not resort to "get their star injured and we'll win the game" strategy. That's childish and pathetic. The reason Mark Dantonio never smiles is because he's a terrible human being on the inside.
October 15th, 2011 at 11:01 PM ^
...but I think Narduzzi's comments at the presser deserve some censure. The fundamental problem here is that injuring a key player is worth a few personal foul penalties, and the only way to keep teams from building that kind of strategy into their game plan is to make it clear that it won't be tolerated.
"Deliberate attempts to injure an opponent have no place in our game, and no coach can be permitted to even appear to condone such activity. Coach Narduzzi's post-game comments referring to "sixty minutes of unnecessary roughness" crossed that line, and the Big Ten Conference has decided to suspend Coach Narduzzi from all football-related activities for a period of seven days."
October 16th, 2011 at 1:13 AM ^
Oh, please. How about this quote:
"They were playing football," said Robinson, who was sacked four times. "It's a dirty game."
So, is Denard sayng football should be a dirty game?
October 16th, 2011 at 1:15 AM ^
and get a life.
October 16th, 2011 at 11:04 AM ^
I'm not trolling. I'm not here to rub your noses into the loss and talk shit. It's your board, and I don't expect to be liked or respected. I'm simply trying to bring some perspective. No one outside of UM is talking about this.
Here's a link to the New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/16/sports/ncaafootball/michigan-state-be…; No mention of this. No mention on the B1G Network, no mention on ESPN.
It's a non-story, nationaly. But people here are actually talking about attempted murder, neck breaking, and coaches intentionally trying to hurt players. Ridiculous.
Lastly, think about Suh--we love his play, but do you think he should be banned for life from playing pro football?
Come on, guys. Instead of trying to get players banned for life or jailed, I'd conern youselves with the rest of your season.
Read the post below, serioulsy....come on...
October 16th, 2011 at 12:22 PM ^
"It's a non-story, nationaly."
Kind of like MSU's recruiting?
BOOOM BITCH!!!
But seriously, fuck off.
October 16th, 2011 at 11:09 AM ^
That's just PC coach speak, cause Denard has too much class to get up there on National TV and say "Yeah they played like a bunch of Thugs". C'mon, are you actually trying to defend how they acted? Cause 6 personal fouls speak for themselves
October 15th, 2011 at 10:30 PM ^
How about a call to the E.L. Police and the County Prosecutor asking for Gholston to be charged with attempted murder? It certainly isn't "within" the scope of the game, i.e., football players consent to the physcial nature of the game, the hits, etc., but not to having another player try to break their neck well after the whistle blows. Similar to the incident in the NHL in which criminal charges were filed against a player for intentionally hitting another in the face/head with his stick. His actions were premediated and deliberate, not some mistaken in the "heat of the moment" facemask. Further, if it could be alleged/proven that Dantonio and his DC were inciting this behavior, they could be charged as an accessory and/or for conspiracy to commit assualt/sever bodily injury.
Maybe I'll call on Monday :)
October 16th, 2011 at 1:14 AM ^
Hello:
This is reality calling. Your table is ready.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:30 PM ^
Read this in an article on cbs.com: "Our defense does have an attitude, an attack mentality, a hit-you-in-the-mouth mentality," defensive end William Gholston said.
Does anyone else find it ironic that he says this after "attacking" Denard and literally hitting Lewan in the mouth?
October 16th, 2011 at 12:06 AM ^
Hahahahaha whatta fucker.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:31 PM ^
Those weren't the only 2 personal fouls called. Dantonio's been getting away with playing ineligible players who're a danger to opponent players for too long. You're right about the possibility of injuring (permanently) Denard.
FWIW: I posted the following on Yahoo Sports, Channel 7 Detroit, The Freep, WDIV (tailored to each):
1. Dantionio's running a dirty program: where is the NCAA? Lets see some HEAT from the media on Dantonio's dirty program.
2. MSU's win means nothing: their 2 "streaks" both against Michigan in down periods. Stop saying it's significant! It's not! This "win" was against a mostly junior year Michigan team (Spartans loaded with seniors - and ex cons).
3. Why are you using the same text on the game as everyone else? Why not report on the personal fouls committed by MSU during their "special win?" Why not look at the stats on foul-induced injuries to players and comment on that?
I think we should raise a storm over this. Right now the media is too focused on the Tigers - but that'll only last a short time. Persistent protest against Dantonio and his out-of-control program might do the trick. As Michigan fans, we should NEVER let MSU gloat on these cheap shot "wins."
October 15th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
"Dantonio's been getting away with playing ineligible players who're a danger to opponent players for too long."
I think Dantonio the classy dean of discipline is the biggest manufactured fraud I've ever heard. But how has Dantonio played ineligible players? Maybe he has played players that should have been suspended for various incicdents, but they were still 'eligible.'
October 16th, 2011 at 12:36 AM ^
He's even eclipsed Tressel? Impresive, very impresive.
October 16th, 2011 at 9:53 AM ^
I didn't say anything about Tressel.
Another year and the same old "Dean of Discipline" whose teams have led the BigTen in penalties and arrests since he was hired.