And there are lots of words. Why are we discussing this again?
GERG for the Last Time
Morning drunk is good. First call?
Woke up, decided that since a big presentation was done as of yesterday, I have a decent offer for the summer and it's opening day, might as well crack a beer[s].*
I'm in Detroit, and as I noted in another thread, was interviewd by the freep on how the Tigers would do this season...
*Technically a brass monkey. My throat has been feeling a little scratchy. Heading to the bar after class is done with at 12
yawn. He could be eating. That is all.
It's another post from Ziff sure to ignite another RichRod argument.
No need for further reading.
So he is saying that GERG was a good coach? That kind of undermines his extremely pro-RR stance. Most RR apologists use GERG as a scapegoat. I'm just confused how this fits in with his other positions.
My point is that despite the fact I DID NOT like Greg as our defensive coordinator and wanted him fired I find it ridiculous that people think we are now teaching fundamentals on defense and we we're not before.
That our players didn't even know how to watch film.
Greg Robinson is the worst coach in the history of college football.
I would argue Tony Gibson.
then why didn't his players?
Also "Do you think they would trust their defenses to a guy that doesn't know how to assemble a defense or know how to tackle?"
Have you even watched Michigan play defense the last couple years?
...he hasn't watched Michigan play defense, and neither have the rest of us. I have seen 11 guys assembled on the proper side of the line of scrimmage, but that's about the extent of it.
Despite all the evidence backing this up people seem to think he was on a solo mission to destroy Michigan.
I have no way of knowing GERGs intent and I really doubt he was on a mission to destroy us. The evidence though backs up only one thing "Under GERG our defense sucked."
He's a legitimate target for criticism due to his on the field performance. Accept that and move on.
You should email it to Dave Brandon, and maybe he'll fire the former Baltimore Ravens DC so he can bring Gerg back. After all, you've proven the point that he can win here.
Haha, I can't stop laughing at this post. Well done.
Where is GERG now? I'm guessing he is in some retirement home for washed up coaches, walking around talking to a fucking stuffed beaver.
The question we should be asking is, where is GERG's hair now? It got much more love and affection than the man ever did on MGoBoard.
a fucking stuffed beaver. Among doing other things to it.
Kind of like Mel Gibsons new movie, The Beaver?
So that's where Mel Gibson got the premise for his latest movie.
Make your own joke.
Sometimes things just don't work out...who knows why, but the results make the case. Be it the defensive scheme, injuries, inexperienced players, Gerg aging, the relationship with RR or Michigan hating gods, something didn't work. Over the two years it went from bad to worse.
It is one thing to know fundamentals, another to be able to teach them.
The buck had to stop somewhere and in my mind it was the DC and the head coach. I switched camps after the game with PSU.
As far as disagreeing, I almost never neg someone with a dfferent point of view unless it is totally absurd or mean in the manner of presentation, which your posts weren't. I find negging has a definite chilling effect on free expression, but maybe that's the point.
"Ah, yes. Well this certainly looks like a lot of words. In record time. I'm very impressed...Unfortunately, I am also disgusted. This is incoherent dribble!"
Whoever was teaching the defensive fundamentals last year sucked at it. Eyeballs don't lie. Neither do missed tackles or wide fn open receivers on the same route 3 straight times. Not to mention playing guys horribly out of position. Just let GERG rest in peace. Everybody who is interested in what happened in any depth knows it was more than a one man job.
I'm not sure if you read your own post.
Your only evidence that Robinson was good at his job was that his defense helped win the Super Bowl over a decade ago (also, you make it sound like coaching the Super Bowl is a specific job you can be hired directly for, which obviously isn't what you meant, but I thought was weird nonetheless). You then go on to point out a bunch of the things he's clearly bad at and all the things his players have been bad at.
If you want to focus exclusively on issues of fundamentals, fine. There clearly was an issue with youth on the team (no one is surprised that Avery was lacking in technique as a true freshman), but the young and inexperienced players weren't the only ones with problems of fundamentals. Ezeh and Mouton had very basic problems with their play. When a sophomore former walk-on is easily the team's best tackler, that means there are other players (including experienced ones) who aren't getting the job done.
Will Robinson find success elsewhere? Maybe. But the past 10+ years of his career wouldn't suggest he will.
I didn't say he was good. Come on Michigan fans. READ!! I thought you were better than MLIVe "dur hur Greg blows my cock". Apparently not.
I never mentioned RR's job or defending RR. Way to read into things. It's done. It's not the point, but bring it in anyway.
I said I wanted him fired. I'm not defending his record. He sucked.
So thru almost 30 responses not one reasonable response to how Greg could make it thru 30 years of coaching not knowing how to coach tackling or think it was important enough to teach. I'll just assume everyone really does know this and we'll act like we don't, because it is cooler to just say he is an idiot and we're all the geniuses on the internet.
Woo hoo I'm excited for fundamentals. Now Michigan football is back. Where's the keg? Woo hoo!! Yeah Michigan. $uck it $suckeyes Watch out Brahs we're coming for you.
You realize people age, lose their energy and the game moves on right?
Super Bowl winning GERG might have been good. We didn't get Super Bowl GERG though, we got "worst defense ever fielded at Michigan" GERG. The GERG Michigan fans know was terrible. The GERG we know was fresh out of getting canned at 'Cuse for his poor performance and he continued to stink here. Hell Charlie Weis had rings and look how he worked out for ND.
Keep up the ad hominem MLive insults though, it makes you look classy.
After year 1 with his job on the line RR looked at the tape, conferred with his other coaches, talked to his friends like Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer and listened to his players who all came to him and said, "coach man this guy forgot how to coach tackling".
Grow up. Sure guys lose energy as they age, but they don't forget what the proper way to tackle is. He's not in a home, because he lost his mind. That is an absurd comment.
If you don't want the insult don't live up to them with such nonsense.
You're the one that said you were insulted. . I knew they were coming, I said so in the 1st line of my post. I knew the thread would probably deteriorate, but I just find it ridiculous that people keep posting this stuff about fundamentals. Stop being naive and believing everything you read in a press conference or interview.
Maybe he really does suck at coaching fundamentals compared to other coaches.
Maybe the players on the Denver Broncos superbowl winning teams had already learned fundamentals sufficiently to warrant their inclusion on a superbowl winning roster.
Maybe the players on his other NFL teams had been similarly well coached in fundamentals to warrant their inclusion on NFL rosters.
Maybe the one year he was at Texas he had awesome players who had already been coached with good fundamentals before he left.
Maybe in the 1970's and 1980's when he was working his way up the college ranks he had really good schemes and ideas that worked based on how football was played at the time, and he was able to get by on those schemes, and the fundamentals taught by other assistant and position coaches, and as football changed, the game passed him by and his schemes were no longer capable of masking his inability to teach fundamentals.
There, now you can't say that no one has addressed the point of your post, which was that GERG surely must be well versed in fundamentals. It's possible that he isn't, as compared to elite division one coaches.
Ockham's Razor favors this version of the GERG story.
favors that the main fault was with the head coach rather than the two different D coordinators.
The administrative skills of RR were not up to snuff to the challenges at hand, and RR's hands-on policy on the defense also put M at a severe defensive disadvantage virtually from day one.
Also in the pros there is no limit on the player-coach interaction time. Also no limit on assistants, trainers, etc. GERG could excel in a system where given unlimited time with highly paid and motivated players (who did not have course work to juggle, etc) he was an excellent coach. When you're paying a guy 800,000 (or more) a year it is easier to tell him to show up 60 hours a week to watch film, practice and work with the trainers. In college that kind of demand is a NCAA violation.
Since we're doing the whole "but he has rings" thing, Charlie Weis simplified his offense significantly during his tenture at ND. He was used to Tom Brady showing up at 6 am to watch film all day and suddenly he didn't have that. So he tried to install a complex system and it failed.
End of the day GERG has one good college coaching spot on his resume, Texas. I see nothing wrong with saying he sucks at college coaching. Doesn't mean he fails to understand the game but he could fail at dealing with younger players, at effectively managing time in a limited enviroment, etc.
Personally if it wasn't for our new D-Coord's successful stint in college prior to joining the Ravens, I'd be worried slightly about his hiring.
Why would you be worried about hiring Greg Mattison to be our new D-coordinator? He laid the groundwork for the '97 defense. He knows how Michigan is supposed to "traditionally" operate...unless there's a hidden dark side to the Mattison years at Michigan?
He's old, but he's not old enough that he forgot how to form tackle. If he had dementia and in a nursing home than yes he probably doesn't know how to tackle anymore.
Knowing something, and being able to effectively communicate to other people so that they can know how to do it, are two separate things. I suspect he has gotten worse at the latter as time has passed. It happens to a lot of coaches.
That's is very possible. That's not my argument. His results sucked. I'm just saying you can't realistically say he doesn't know what he is doing. His implementaion and teaching of it may have been brutal
I'm not sure why you replied to my post to compain about people talking about Rodriguez, I didn't say anything about him.
And I like to think I gave you a reasonable response to your original post, to which you flipped out and went full ass-hole.
As to how he went through 30 years of coaching without knowing how to teach fundamentals? Well, there's always the very reasonable possibility that his best years are behind him and he's lost it. There's always the even more reasonable possibility that (as you yourself point out) his best years were spent in the NFL coaching seasoned professionals, not 19 year old true freshman. I'm willing to wager that teaching fundamentals is less critical (still important, though) when coaching the pros than when coaching young, inexperienced college students.
Sorry about that I was responding to you and then went "reply all" with my post instead of going individually.
I still take issue with people thinking he forgot how to teach fundamentals. Game may have passed him by, I thought he sucked. I'm just fairly certain he knows the fundamentals and he taught them. I'm not 100% certain, but to think otherwise is really tinfoil hat stuff.
I understand that we need to temper pie-in-the-sky expectations for defensive improvement, and that Mattison isn't the end all be all...but come on, if you can't be anything but at least cautiously optimistic for advanced improvement in the defense this year, I don't know what to say.
If you want more people to read 100% of your posts then be more consise and less rambling. We are all smart people. So when we read something that isn't convincing in the first 3 paragraphs, we tend to stop. (you lost me at "GERG knows how to coach defense". No duh. That's why he's had success in the past. That doesn't mean he was the best at his job, or that there were other factors contributing to that succes...nor does that mean Mattison will be bad because GERG was bad.)
Have a little optimism, for f%^k's sake. I hate all the GD negativity on this board sometimes.
I'm one of the most optimistic people on the board. I've been saying for 2+ years 2011 will be our year and we will win the Big Ten. Despite the coaching change and attrition on d I still believe that to be true. I love Mattison and the D changes, but my point is if you believe we are just starting to teach fundamentals this year you are wrong. Fundamentals are stresses on every football team at every level. They will build on the base that RR's staff began.
This might be my last chance to ask this question. Why is Greg Robinson nicknamed GERG?
Ziff I understand your point that GERG knows the game of football but UM fans aren't trying to admit that right now. We are still licking our wounds from the past two years of horrendous defense. It's like trying to get Madoff victims to admit that he had a good business sense but his investment ideas just weren't the right fit for them.
All right this is a reasonable stance. I can give you that. No real idea on the Gerg either.
It's not a coincidence that Michigan's defense sucked over Rich Rodrigez's three years. And despite having only about 70 scholarship players in 2009, Robinson actually had more defensive players in 2010 and things still got worse...
...but the move to the 3-3-5 was stupid for Michigan's personnel and strengths.
I'm not convinced that Robinson is a horrible, horrible coach, although he's obviously not a great one.
I am convinced, however, that Rodriguez's defensive hires and decisions were bottom of the barrel.
It was brutal, that is why I can't read the book.
Despite the numbers between Martin's injury and the defensive backfield blowing up the defensive personnel to work with was worse in 2010. It should have been better and it was in June, but by October they were not as good as 2009.
Why Cam at FS? Was it because in spring we had no bodies to put there so you just try to get your best 11 on the field even if it puts 1 guy at out of positions? It's a reasonable thought.
Why Roh at LB? Same reason. Once Herron was out did they think it was better to Roh out of position than to put another terribel LB on the field.They had some reasoning that must have made sense. Did it turn out? No it was a disaster, but these coaches when you are put in an extreme situation have to try stuff and they know there is no good answer. A lot of people, like Brian, were buying into Gordon at FS by game 5 so it's easy to look back and say oh he was slow why did they play him for so long. Well Vinopal wasn't here until August and probably didn't know shit until half way thru the season.
What was the correct call? We have no Db's so should we blitz more and take our chances or do we stay in a soft zone and hope teams break down. Do we stay vanilla and let them shred us or do we try to surprise teams to mask our lack of talent or do we risk more screw ups because it is more complicated. These are very tough calls. With little chance of success and probably less if you waver on what you want to do. After the Illinois game do you say just keep with the same stuff the kids are starting to get it or do you say let's try something else it is not working?
Whatever the correct answer was, Robinson and Rodriguez didn't find it. This defense wasn't going to be good considering the injuries, inexperience, etc., but it didn't have to be THAT bad.
The Cam Gordon at FS thing and the Craig Roh at LB thing were horrible ideas from the beginning. If Vinopal stepped in and was immediately better than Cam Gordon at FS, then Vinopal would have been as good or better than Gordon a week or two or three or four or five or six earlier, too).
I was prepared for bad, but it was disgusting at points in the season and didn't need to look that bad so he should have been gone.
Just saying it's easy to pull the wrong lever on your decisions when you have no good options. Do we win the Indiana game if Vinopal is in for Gordon and he is so unprepared he screws things up even worse? I don't think so but it is a possibility.
I am also holding my breath on the defensive recruiting those three years too. I'd like to think there are some impact guys in there. Without condemning, it is arguable that when it came to picking the size and type of athlete we need on defense in this league, Rich didn' t know what he didn't know.
Too early to tell and I love the heart these guys showed last year.
Did GERG rub you with his stuffed beaver too much??
I don't know why you are getting fake-negged for this - while I COMPLETELY disagree with you on this (as you know), your post wasn't offensive, nasty, insulting or particularly controversial.
That aside, I disagree. Some points:
1. GERG's skill set may be such that he is a decent to good NFL coach but a piss poor college coach. NFL coaches are fortunate in that they get to work with the best man-beast talent there is. The players that make the NFL are studs. There is less of an emphasis on development. So, while GERG may be ok at coaching man beast talent, he is no so good at developing.
2. As a related point to #1, NFL players generally have the fundamentals down, and to the extent that tweeks are necessary, this is certainly done by the position coaches, not the DC. In college, especially with young talent, there needs to be much more emphasis on developing fundamentals. It don't believe that GERG doesn't care about fundamentals, but perhaps he is simply not good at teaching them from the ground up to 18 year old kids.
3. Talent identification - in the NFL, your entire roster is full of talented players. Obviously, not every player is Tom Brady or Charles Woodson, but they are all damn good at their respective positions. As such, position switches are rare in the NFL as compared to college. Again, perhaps GERG is not so good at the whole identification of talent or finding the best use for his available talent thing? This wouldn't hurt him in the NFL, but would very much hurt him in college, especially with a young, somewhat talent deficient defense.
4. There are also some coaches that can be wildly successful when they have tons of talent, but who are not very good at making the most out of less talented squads. While the point seems almost too obvious, there are plenty of coaches that are lucky enough to have awesome rosters, but who do not maximize the potential. GERG may be great at getting a lot out of talented guys (like his super bowl teams), but not as good at maximizing less talented guys.
Sadly (or perhaps fortunately) we will never know the true story on GERG. He was definitely hamstrung by RR's craptastic D staff, and forced by that staff to run a D that was not only insanely stupid, but which he was not comfortable with. He also presided over the period with the least D talent and experience on the roster in Michigan history. These are all legit mitigating factors, but at the end of the day, even with those issues, the D was worse than it should have been. The fundamentals - tackling, pursuit angles, pad level, etc., were terrible, even to my untrained eye. While GERG likely is not as bad as his performance here would indicate, he clearly is not a good college D coach.
I agree with most of your post. If you read thru my post I don't like Greg Robinson as our coach. I don't think Greg was a good coordinator. I don't think he was in the NFL really either and he proved terrible in college by the numbers.
The point I will disagree with you on is you state that in the pros most have the fundamentals down. While pros are naturally better than college. Pro coaches preach fundamentals all the time. It's taught at every level. Watch the NFL combine or Senior Bowl practices. They talk about technique issues all the time. Just as Mattison said he always works on it all the time. I'm sure Ray Lewis still works on his fundamentals. They need to do this to stay sharp and get better. Fundamentals never stop being taught. Listen to any coach during the preseason and I guarantee if they talk for more than 5 minutes about practice they will say fundamentals.
The other thing is that for Greg to get to that point to be in a pro locker room leading a unit he has to know his shit. Those locker rooms will eat you up if they don't respect you and if he didn't have better than a high school understanding of fundamentals or schemes he would be broomed asap.
He may not have related to college kids or wasn't good at communicating his point I don't know, but it was being taught and taught correctly. That I can be certain of.
Take your 214 points and stfu.
While I generally don't agree with anything you post, I think this post is hilarious and I fake +1'd it.
You suck as well, but I paid you back. Here's my card.. call me later and we'll get together and hang out.
Your inability to be mature when replying to snark is puerile. You've been a member long enough to know how the board will respond to topics such as this. With every insult your point loses more validity.
e-peen measuring contest!
The horse. It is dead.
The hair once more for good measure.
Are you GERG?
No, if you go back and read some of Ziff's posts, he actually knows a thing or two about football. That assuredly makes him not GERG.
You're probably right... Ziffs argument is relively well thought out and written. To my knowledge -- and someone correct me if I'm wrong -- it isn't even proven that GERG can write at all. Judging from the product on the field, he especially has difficulty with the x's and o's.
Last time I checked Adam Morrison has two championship rings, go away.
Coordinating a defense is the exact same as sitting on the bench and playing zero minutes. Perfect analogy.
Can someone please tell me why his nickname is GERG? Don't make me start a 2nd GERG thread just to get the answer. Cause I will.
it's fun to say out loud
1. PSU debacle - moved players to new positions when nobody knew their current ones.
2. Free Safety: SS is Kovacs, Furman, MRob; FS is Carvin, T. Gordon, Hawthorne. I don't think Vinopal was ever going to see the field again. Granted Furman, MRob, and Carvin were true freshmen, but so was Vinopal. T. Gordon was an option at FS (hell, GMAT is putting him at nickel corner), and so was Hawthorne. Was RV really better than them? I'll guess no, but we'll see.
4. GERG never looked like he fit in. Never comfortable, and players notice that.
Blame is shared among DC and HC. All of it was poor, and it's all better today. But no, I don't think GERG is the complete idiot everyone now deems him to be.
Good opportunity at Michigan gone horribly wrong thanks to RR meddling.
The defense will improve dramatically in 2011 and that will not be an indictment of Gerg so much as confirmation that no one bought into the flipping 3-3-5 to begin with. Mattisons's defense will be better because everyone - coaches and players alike - buy into it, believe in it and have confidence in it.
Hey Ziff.... Since uh, you know, no one on here wants to talk about gerg.. Maybe you could have saved yourself sometime by not typing all this out.
Just do what the rest of the pro-rr people do.... Talk it over to yourself so many times until you start believing it.. But the trick is to do it quietly, preferrably in your head and not on a long drawn out rant ...
There are 63 replies to this post already - apparently some people on here still don't mind talking about GERG.
might not be a good choice for DC.
From 1982 through 1988, (according to his Wikipedia bio) Robinson was DL for UCLA under Terry Donahue. During this span, UCLA was the dominant PAC10 program, going 53-15-8, winning seven bowl games in a row, including 4 Rose Bowls.
In 1989, Donahue elevated Robinson to DC. UCLA promptly went 3-7-1, by far the worst year in Donahue's tenure there, and finished 9th in the conference. Robinson was gone to the NFL by 1990.
No, I don't know what the change in defensive personnel for UCLA was from 1988 to 1989, but given that they were one of the premier programs in the country during that era, it's hard to believe that all of their talent suddenly disappeared. It's hardly a ringing endorsement for Robinson's ability as a college coordinator.
For as many positives on Robinson's resume, we can point to a solid negative, or two.
My next-door neighbor is from Missouri and is a huge KC Chiefs fan, and was very familiar with the horrible defenses that the Chiefs had during Robinson's time there, especially the last season before Vermeil—a close friend of Robinson—was forced to fire him. Apparently the last straw was an epic playoff loss to the Colts, during which KC did not manage to force even one punt by the Colts. Manning and the Colts simply ran up and down the field on the hapless KC defense all game long. Sound familiar? Sure, Manning is a great QB, but justifying the Chief's defensive performance on that basis isn't going to cut it.
I will maintain until I'm dead that RR's hire of Robinson was the single worst hire at the coordinator position on either side of the ball by any BCS-level program in the last two decades. Why a head coach getting roasted by alumni and fans for the first losing season in 41 years hired a guy who was himself just fired after coming off the worst 4-year record in history at another long-time program—where he was DC—will always boggle me.
Whether GERG did, or did not, stress the "fundamentals" is beside the point—expertise is not the same thing as sound judgement and canny leadership. Those exhibiting the latter two qualities don't allow the bad personnel decisions that others have pointed out, nor do they expose themselves to ridicule with bizarre sideline behavior.
I agree that M-Live-quality comments of a personal nature about Robinson are lame, but you'll go crazy if you try to respond to idiots on the internet.
Nice job on gathering data Don. Like I've been saying I concur with basically all your thoughts there. I remember the KC game and it was a disaster.
My only point that has gotten lost like most threads on the internet is that I am excited about Mattison and as I've said on several posts I think our defense is going to be in the top half of the Big Ten this year. All of it will be credited to Mattison and Hoke and teaching the fundamentals. The truth will be less than that.
Here's what's going to happen:
Scenario A: Michigan has winning record, beats MSU, OSU, goes to nice bowl game
Result: Every Michigan fan and sports "journalist" in known universe develops shoulder problems from patting Brady Hoke and Greg Mattison on back, and pronounce RR is a complete idiot, again.
Scenario B: Michigan has disappointing record, losing to MSU and OSU
Result: Every Michigan fan and sports "journalist" in known universe lay entire blame for season on RR, giving Brady Hoke a pass for having to "clean up the mess."
DEAD FREAKIN NUTS. You have called it perfectly. I have a post ready for August 15th calling for all of the fans of RR to STFU for 4 months and just enjoy the games, because the press will be insulting to our intelligence. I really think this will be agreat year and I'm just going to block out the in your face posters and idiotic media and just love this team.
Will agree to it...
Sounds about right to me.
Settle down GERG....... it will be ok.......promise!
I'm not sure how you could watch our tackling and obvious cluelessness of how to even line up for a snap and argue that these kids were properly taught anything.
and required to be part of a union.
At the union meetings everyone got pissed drunk.
At the end of the boring meeting, some union sub-lieutenant would inevitably go up the podium, grab the microphone and start off slurring away: "Well, in closing, about the questioned break periods, I just wanna say that....."
And the raucous crowd of drunk union workers would yell, laugh and shout him down from the stage "Shut up!", "Sit the *bleep* down!" and "Nobody cares!".
Funny as hell to complain about GERG now that he's so left town.
I am kinda shocked it's happening over GERG....
I hate Greg, but right is right. Plus it's March this board is dead.
You called it on Bacon's book. The Rodriguez and Robinson interaction relating to the defense will be what everyone is looking out for. With an average defense or a little below average, I doubt there would have been a coaching change.
The last era was mostly incompetent anyway so I won't totally blame him but as far as defenses go his sucked worse then any defense I've ever seen.
We're going up against a team with their starting quarterback knocked out and what does our defense do? Blitz no one, give yards and yards of cushion on the corners, essentially the complete opposite of what should of been done. That was a coaching decision, not necessarily Coach Robinson's but ultimately, it falls on him. What about the Mississippi St. game? Granted, that was a good MSU team, but with all that time to prepare, that was the best they could do? I wasn't too hip about the decision to replace Coach Rod, but the ship had sailed on Coach Robinson even before that game...and he still couldn't get the job done, knowing what was at stake for him. I believe you are right, the man knows his X's and O's, but if he can't get his players to play reasonably well given that knowledge, he isn't a good coach.
pretty sure my hated pompous ex CEO DB fired RR because he stuck up for GERG and blamed instead, whatever M hating god circumstances led us to field 8 freshmen on defense 3 yrs into the RR transition. CEO's hate being faced... RR Not being given any GD support but instead "the process" probably also factored into the facing. I still don't know if GERG is as bad as some think. I tend to trust Brian however so I guess he did suck. But EIGHT f-ing freshmen? I've played rugby with college kids last two years, freshmen are babies compared to upperclassmen...not even full grown. Impossible situation for any D coord...
I know this...RR will land on his feet at a top program and field NATIONALLY competitive teams. We won't. MANBALL? Really? West coast offensive? arrrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!
I've been a reader of this board longer than I've been a registered member. I wondered where you had gone.
DB fired RR because RR did a horrible job of coaching while he was at The University of Michigan.
but I agree. If I were GERG, I certainly wouldn't take UM's defensive failures personally. Same w/ Scott Shafer the year before. It's a life lesson for all of us - some work environments, for whatever reason, you want to avoid. In this case it was having a scheme and assistants forced down their gullets.
and that SNOWY WHITE MANE!!! UGH...and the stuffed animals on the sideline!!
Good post pertaining to this very subject over at http://www.bighouseblog.com/
THURSDAY, MARCH 31, 2011
Michigan Thursday: Teaching vs Scheming
When you go to college you learn the knowledge and maybe a few skills to become a professional. No matter what your profession is; Lawyer, Doctor, Architect, Business Professional, etc. ............
The same goes with football players and at times I see a coaches that come from the NFL that don't understand that. My first example is Charlie Weiss, he talked about there wouldn't anyone out scheming him at ND. That was clear and so was his inability to be a college head football coach. In college you need to be able to see an all state running back that might be a step slow is a perfect linebacker prospect. In college you have to teach technique and football skills over drawing up complex plays. In the NFL, you have elite athletes and to win you need to out scheme your opponent.
What makes me excited about Michigan football is Greg Mattison gets it and I don't think Greg Robinson ever did. Yes, Mattison came from the NFL Ravens but his experience in college football way out weighs Robinson's. You can tell Mattison is a teacher in some of his comments yesterday when he met the press about Spring Practice:
On learning the new schemes: Even though installation is going slowly, "There is no disappointment whatsoever in me. I get excited and more enthused every day we meet." They get to mold the players into what they want to see, and the players are all excited to learn.
Talent and Technique: " There hasn't been any moping or negative attitudes, guys come in wanting to learn. When the coaches make corrections, the players demonstrate those by the next day. The entire D has tons of work to do on basic techniques. "But I would have said that about any time I've had, unless they're perfect with their technique, I'm not satisfied." First step, punch, etc. - all the basic techniques need work.
Big Will? Campbell is coming off the football better at times, but not always. Quinton Washington "has been neck and neck with [Will Campbell]... When you see Quinton Washington and Will Campbell battling for a position, that says 'great, because now we can roll them.' Because I believe in that, and I always have." Will Heininger has stepped up, and can rotate with Jake Ryan. Jibreel Black looks as good as Craig Roh on some days.
LB's? "The one guy probably that has improved the most and I have really become excited about him is Cam Gordon. I've really got high hopes for him." He's playing SAM backer, and has a chance to be good. "Has a tremendous attitude." He has safety athleticism, just need to get bigger. "Cam's a really long way away, but as a coach you see things in a young man you say 'this guy really could be one of those really good players some day.'" He's battling guys much bigger than him right now, and they want him to get as big as he can while still being able to run.
I know the proof will be on the field on Saturday's but it sounds like to me that Mattison is teaching the defense on how to be play their positions where Robinson used a stuffed Beaver to motive his players to be better.
At the end of the day you want your football coaches to be good leaders and teachers. This also maybe an area where RR could improve as well. He was known as a the mastermind behind the spread but could he really teach 18-22 years old kids on how to be better football players? His teams didn't get better during the season at Michigan, they got worse which makes me believe he was more of a scheme guy then a teacher. To quote Charles Barkley, "I could be wrong but I doubt it!"