Then let the "harumphs" begin.
to play football, not to play trumpet
Then let the "harumphs" begin.
This is the interwebz. By Saturday, "unnamed sources" will be saying that Delaney screwed up the deal and GaTech will remain in the ACC.
A big part of the Rutgers/Maryland move was to secure the New England market, and the B1G is geographically set up to have no overlap with other major conferences. This is a stab into a market that is definitely SEC country and is a 2nd tier program in it's state. Annexing Big East or northern ACC (non-SEC overlap) makes sense. GT makes none.
Which means of course the B1G will do it. #Leaders #Legends #Inthecommunity
Said as someone who's never been to GA.
/from GA and grew up a Tech fan
Tech is second fiddle to the Bulldogs in GA, isn't it?
But that doesn't really matter with the reasoning here. The goal is to introduce BTN to as many major markets as possible. It doesn't matter that GT plays second fiddle to UGA, they still have enough fans to get on TV, and that is really all anyone cares about.
Personally, I see the SEC snatching up VaTech and NCState now, and Big12 pulling in FlaState and Clemson. (I would have added Miami(FL) but their present issues may put a merger off. Only if it is mandated by FSU addition.)
ACC could asphlode!
South Florida also has a lot of cable tv subscribers. Next up, Miami (YTM).
Depends on how you classify. UGA is the big state school but Tech is way harder to get into.
The other thing to consider about GA is no one shows their support for teams unless they're winning. For example, before Saban came to Alabamastand, you'd see an "A" on cars.. maybe a couple of times a week. Now you see almost as many as UGA's. Alabama is like Georgia's elite community college, they ship a lot of students there.
Tech hasn't been good in football since '90 but back then, you'd see about 55%-45% in favor of UGA. Still not bad. Also Tech have a bigger bball and baseball following than UGA.
I'd say most non-alumni support UGA for football (because they're better) but cheer for Tech's bball and baseball teams.
Kind of a stretch to say the GT is way harder to get into than UGA. The Hope Scholarship is a huge incentive to keep the best hs school students in Georgia in the state and UGA's enrollment has imporved because of it. You pretty much have to be top 10% of your class to get into UGA. This wasn't true 10 years ago.
I think GT is the obvious choice for the next addition to the B1G. Big TV market in what is arguably the center of the college football universe. UGA, Bama, Auburn, Florida, Clemson, FSU, Tennessee, and South Carolina are all five hours or less driving distance. Also a big advantage for current B1G schools to get into the talent laden south on the recruiting trail too. by adding GT to the conference. Good tradition in hoops, although not so much success lately, and a good baseball team are also nice adds.
If the B1G makes this move I think Texas or Florida State would be the next obvious choice for the 16th memeber. But Texas probably won't happen because of $$ and FSU's academics will probably keep them out.
UGA fans think of GT as their annoying little brother who has fans that come out of the woodwork once per decade or so when they do something good (sound familiar?)
The difference is that GT is a better school. UGA fans are generally annoyed by those "GT nerds".
Oh, and GT is in downtown Atlanta, so not a bad place to be.
...and I'm not knocking Tech, but my (one) trip to Atlanta (and GA generally) made me think that UGA football is easily king.
GT grad/Atlanta resident here. Your perception is not wrong. I'd even say that Auburn and Clemson have a fan presence as large or larger than GT. That said, there are a ton of B1G transplants in this area as well.
They also have the more recent national championship
and a final 4 in the last 10 years.
that combination alone is something only OSU can top.
Maryland, NJ, and NY were not part of New England, so not sure how Rutgers or Maryland would help there.
People don't really understand the geography of the US unless they've been to the states in question. In the minds of most midwesterners, anyone who lives east of PA wears a big buckle on his hat and hunts with a muzzle-loader while simultaneoulsy dumping tea in the harbor.
The post was meant to say that the Rutgers add secured NY/NJ DMA and that the Maryland add secured Baltimore/DC DMA. A GT ad could get the Atlanta DMA, which is the 9th largest TV DMA in the country. Check out this LINK. Do I agree with this add? No. Would it increase the TV viewing area to a scary level? Yes.
None? Don’t be too sure. Access to a major and growing media center like Atlanta makes total sense with what Delaney is doing. I believe he covets that sort of media exposure in the south. My contention if it is true is UVa is next. Only bad part is we will fill before we get into NC. This is not about head-head competition with the SEC. SEC would never take GT. Major conferences will now only add one team/state to open new cable markets = more subscribers = more money.
Didn't the Virginia legislature essentially make Virginia and Virginia Tech a package deal a few years ago when VT joined the ACC?
Enough said regarding motivation. That and it has strong academics
Michigan State is second-tier in its state, and we let them in the B1G.
But not really. We just get to face the option attack every other year instead.
We won't get the Atlanta market. It's SEC country like woah.
Only until we move the Big Ten Championship game to the Georgia Dome.
I don't think it's really viewers the Big Ten is concerned with; as long as they can get B1G on basic cable in that market, they get paid. A lot.
The conference does not care about actual exposure or winning the hearts and minds of fans. They just want money, and there are enough GT fans that they'll probably get it.
So, the moves earlier this month added:
1. NY DMA - 7.4MM Households
8. DC - 2.4MM
27. Baltimore - 1.1MM
We already had:
3. Chicago: 3.5MM
4. Philadelphia: 2.9MM
11. Detroit: 1.8MM
15. Minneapolis: 1.7MM
26. Indianapolis: 1.1MM
32. Columbus: 930K
34. Milwaukee: 900K
39. Grand Rapids: 720K
43. Harrisburg: 715K
54. Wilkes Barre/Scranton: 581K
67. Flint/Saginaw: 446K
69: Green Bay: 442K
72: Des Moines: 430K
75: Omaha: 414K
This add would give the B1G the 9th market in the country at about 2.3MM viewers. This would be the 5th largest market in B1G Network coverage. This is the equivalent of Indianapolis and Columbus combined. For Delaney's purposes, this makes perfect sense.
DMA driven additions:
Texas: #5 Dallas 2.58M, #10 Houston 2.21M, #36 San Antonio 881k, #45 Austin 705k
Florida State: #14 Tampa-St Pete 1.8M, #16 Miami-FL 1.62M, #18 Orlando-Daytona #1.45M #38 West Palm 794k
UNC: #25 Charlotte 1.13M, #37 Greevil-Spart 846k, #44 Norfolk-Portsmouth 709k, #46 Greensboro-W Salem 695k
Texas and UNC fit academically. Texas seems highly unlikely right now, but I guess things can change quickly. FSU gets us on almost most as many TV's (maybe more if you include the markets in the panhandle which I didn't include here), but they probably don't fit the academic pedigree of the rest of the conference.
Approx Viewers in Major Markets: Texas 6.3M, FSU 5.6M, Carolinas 3M.
It doesn't matter if they watch it, it only matters if it gets included in their basic cable package.
Exactly. The ratings are cool, but as long as people have to pay for it in new areas, B1G teams make money.
This is going to put a whole new meaning to rambling wreck.
is all a play for ND.
To hell with Notre Dame.
Virginia and Virginia Tech are attached and you have the VA State Government backing that arrangement. The Virginia and North Carolina schools will mostly likely stick together just because state governments won't want them split up.
Actually that is not correct. The VA politicians just wanted UVa to use it’s influence to get them in a more secure conference (ACC) when it looked like the BigEast was crashing. (Correct me if I misunderstood, Wahoo.) They don’t have the leverage now. With both in the ACC they may have to fend for themselves; as I doubt one of the stronger conferences will take on both. IMO UVa will go to the B1G and SEC (which has already said it wants into VA) will take VaTech.
Please stop repeating this myth. UVA and VT have been together for less than ten years. As long has VT doesn't remain in a dumpster-fire of a conference, than the legislature is not going to obstruct things. There are certain circumstances present in the instance where the legislature got involved.
If we're going for big TV markets, then let's get Boston, plus we'd get their hockey. And hopefully it'd piss off Notre Dame more.
I thought it should have been Maryland and BC instead of Rutgers. That makes more sense to me.
BC isn't an AAU member. They're akin to ND, strong undergrad, some grad programs but almost none in the STEM fields (science, technology, engineering, math) or academic medicine (and really no room to expand those fields within a glutted Boston academic market).
But they don't bring the athletic cache of ND, which meant the Big 10 was willing to overlook their research profile.
I know they aren't AAU, but USNews ranks them #31 in the US (Michigan is #29) so it all depends what metric you rank academics on. And let's be honest, the B1G is just going after TV markets now.
If it's only about viewers, Delaney should go for BC. It wouldn't be any worse than Rutgers or Maryland and it would add 2.4MM viewers to the fold. That would then give the B1G network viewership in:
8. Washington DC
That is pretty dominant in terms of viewership. The only non-contiguous markets in the Top 11 would be:
6. San Francisco
Only point I would contend is they may feel Boston has never really supported college sports, especially any specific one. The market tends to be segmented fairly equally between BC, BU, Harvard, Holy Cross, MIT(some degree), and UMass. So you take what market you did have and essentially watered it down even more, support-wise.
I know a similar contention could be made about NYC, but it’s also the overwhelming size/prestige of the market and Rutgers is still the major collegiate sports presence there and you also get NJ in the bargain. (If you call it a bargain. /kidding)
Is this a joke or serious?
If serious, they might as well stop calling the conference the BIG 10, and just give it a new name. There is virtually no resemblance to the Big Ten conference - only 2/3 of the teams are originally from that conference (less than 2/3 once an inevitable 16th team joins to make it even). And, the geographic footprint is no longer the midwest, as the real Big Ten was. This is stupid!
/no promise to end rant - I suspect that it will continue for much of the day in the upcoming 20 expansion threads - apologies in advance.
Might as well just go to 20 teams and have a Big Ten division and an ACC division.
This is pretty much the only desirable option at this point. Then at least we get our Big 10 back.
I dunno what the ramifications for 20 are but gut call, it sounds right.
Old Ten vs. New Ten? West vs. East? Champs of the West sounds about right.
Unfortunately, it might not be that far fetched of an idea. It would resemble something similar to what Delaney had in mind with the Pac10 relationship that fell through.
the Big Demographic conference
I'm good at math, so I see the disconnect between the name Big "Ten" and 16 teams -- but why are people so upset about it? The name Big Ten has history and is a recognizable brand. A very short, quick, of odd and maybe not peferct examples from the top of my head:
Brands and companies change hands all the time as brand names. For example, Ashton Martin (founded by the Lionel Martin near Ashton Clinton in England) was owned by Ford from 94-07. They didn't call the cars Ashton Martin-Fords.
They don't play much Jazz in Utah
Boneless Chicken Wings aren't wings at all...they're just breaded balls of chicken. Chicken fingers aren't fingers.
Many fruit juices don't contain much fruit, they just taste like it.
I should probably stop with the examples now...Point is, as long as we have the history, and tradition of the Big Ten the number doesn't matter. I love the Big Ten and I'd love it to stay that way, even if we end up with 16 teams and stretch from Georgia to Wisconsin.
uhhhh its Aston Martin.
but it got the "Aston" name for the nearby Aston Clinton Hillclimb.
I guess the branding didn't work.
Oops. Can't even blame it on a typo because I made the mistake three times in as many sentences. Autcorrect? Yeah, let's go with that.
We wont have to change the logo!
Recurring Air Force defensive nightmare. Of course, we'll only play them once every 20 years, or something like that.
I saw this coming but thought it would take much longer.
That option attack will give Mattison's defense fits once every 15 years we play them.
Well, at least it's a better addition than the last two.
Next thing you are going to tell me is that Maryland or Rutgers are joining ...
Kind of want a contiguous footprint, but I suppose I'm being nitpicky.
Georgia Tech is a horrible football team. Just awful. Holy nutsack.
Well, they are 664–447–43 (a .575 winning percentage). That'd put them somewhere at 6th in the conference behind 5th Minnesota and above (now) 7th MSU. Out of the current 14 members, not so bad.
But they can still win the ACC this year!
...then I won't mind this too much.
Of course, 10 conf games will probably only happen if the playoffs guarantees the conf winner access...make it happen Delany! So sick of MAC schools.
It also exists.
Wouldn't fit in the Delaney scheme. More likely Wright State.
Lets leave my Flyers out of these shenanigans.
Subscription bait for the stupid Clemson fanbase. Fuck Clemson.
This site had Clemson and FSU to the Big 12 like a year ago and again like 6 months ago.
I'm not saying it's won't happen, but these guys are just throwing it against the wall and seeing what sticks.
May I suggest THE BIG AWESOME ?
Can we call our Division the Leaders (if we're not going to use directions). "Leaders and Best"
Exactly what I was thinking... except we get MSU, they get Wisconsin. Wiscy will be a better team year in and year out - and that division is pretty weak, especially with a weakened PSU. They need help. AND, we NEED to play MSU every year. Don't separate borthers. One of the cardinal rules of divorce. Keep brothers together.
But really, I actually like this idea a lot.
I think your emotions are getting the better of you.
Pod 1 (North): Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
Pod 2 (South): Nebraska, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana
Pod 3 (East): Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, Ohio State, Georgia Tech
Then we have a conference playoff! The highest-ranked pod champion gets a bye and plays the winner of the other two pod champs.
EDIT: or West (Nebraska, Minny, Iowa, Wiscy, Illinois), Center (Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State), and East (Ohio, Penn St, Rutgers, MD, GA Tech).
I hope it's true.
You forgot the "said no one ever" at the end.
For purely selfish reasons
I seriously thing this should become the BIG Confernce, with 8/9/10 (1/2 of the number we end up with) of the original Big Ten in one division, and all the newbies (plus we'll give them Purdue, etc) in another. Winners play in the championship game.
At least we still get the Big Ten that way and build more standard rivals outside the Big Ten.
The problem right now is that other division would suck. Maybe we give them Wisconsin, Purdue, Neb, PSU, Rutgers, Maryland GT, ...
I'm as serious as a heart attack (haven't said that in decades - haven't felt the need until now)
So, I actually like this move. Can we steal Vanderbilt? I would like them in the Big 16.
Delaney would love to have the Nashville/Memphis market, but Vanderbilt is going NOWHERE. It’s all about money and Vandy couldn’t make enough new money to justify it. B1G and SEC are both stable conferences and will make comparable amounts so why would they move.
Well, this wouldn't be the reason, but I'm sure people at Vanderbilt would rather pool academic resources with us and Northwestern than with Mississippi State and Arkansas.
Awesome campus but their football stadium reminds me of Northwestern's.
Fuck it, Well do it live...Fuck it!
Anything that helps us push into the south and get some of those SEC kids and get some speed up here will def help us and our conference. I would take Miami,Virginia or Virginia Tech next.
miami? please tell me you're kidding. i don't want that smoking crater of a program anywhere near our conference.
with pending sanctions and an apathetic fan base.
Do not want.
Can someone explain to me how having a team from a different geographical area in your conference automatically gives you an advantage in recruiting that area? Especially when you're only going to play said team inside that geographical area once a decade or so?
As a bonus, you can explain why it is that you think Hoke needs some extra advantage in recruiting.
On TV so more exposure (how many kids in the south see Michigan play on a regular basis). Ability to promise (assuming you play in the area with any frequency) a game close to home so parents/family/friends can come. Easy to get down there and recruit when you have to go anyway. More relations with local teams/coaches because you know the area better.
That said, this is all worthless when you play there once a decade.
The Big America Conference has a nice ring to it. But knowing Delany as soon as they change it they will add Simon Fraser University in Canada.
University of British Columbia would be the better option - they have some sports programs that already play in the NCAA (though lower divisions). Though the travel to Vancouver would be killer.
Make it stop. Please, just make it stop.
They are getting to the number most people thought they would when they adopted the "B1G" logo. I wonder who the last team is going to be? I vote for one more JTTS with great educational qualifications.
At first I was like, Maryland/Rutgers?
And then I was like, Georgia Tech?
Now I'm like, total ACC domination?
that one made me giggle at my desk.
No other reputable reporter is corroborating this report
Will hold off until they do so...seems kind of ridiculous.
I don't think everyone has noticed that the big Ten has gotten away from actually using "ten" in logos and whatnot. The logo actually looks like it says B16, which is exactly what they want to get to, 16 teams.
^Conspiracy theory, this guy haz it.
Though I would have to say they rebranded to the "B1G" logo what 3 years ago when they added Nebraska and added the championship came, since then you've never seen the ol' "Big Ten" logo of our childhood.
I love the fact that if this happens, we've taken every major market that ND was using as a catalyst for having their agreement with the ACC.
We have Michigan State and Purdue already. Maybe we could come up with a second fiddle division.
Which would you say is second fiddle in IL? In hoops I'd say NW easy, but in football, NW has been way superior to IL in the recent years.
our last BCS bowl is more recent than uga and our last final 4 appearance is more recent than UM. just saying.
This may not be true right now, but with this many rumors about GT there is a good chance it will eventually happen. Would be hilarious if they upset FSU tomorrow and announced they were leaving for the Big10. A W.Virginia blog reported something similar last night and also stated that the Big12 had offers out to FSU, Clemson, Miami and GT. It also mentioned the fact that the actual terms of the ACC's tv contract may not be what everyone thinks they are and that if they take Maryland to court over the exit fee it will come out.
Willis Ward & Gerald Ford say bring it on.
Ward was a blonde?
I would love to add Mizzou and UNC. I think they would be great fits in the big ten. Also we're going to
Expand so why not grab teams that fit. We'd get two solid to good athletic departments, a phenomenal svhool and an ok one. Also MizZou would have instant rivals (and we'd be stealing from the SEC).
Would they split Duke/UNC?
The basketball rivalry alone might be enough to preserve them in the same conference.
And about Mizzou, the SEC is the only conference competing with the Big Ten in terms of money, so you've got to wonder if they woud leave, of if they are complacent where they are at.
The inevitable 16th school, the logo wouldn't need to be changed.
BEEEEE ONEEE GEEEE! BEEEEE ONEEE GEEEE!
As someone who has lived their whole life in Atlanta, I can tell you that it's Dawg country. UGA is the team here. Yes, Ga. Tech gets a lot of press and interest, but UGA is like that default team that everyones crazy about. I've been to both their football stadium and new basketball arena. The basketball is very nice, and Tech hasn't been good as of late, but have been to the final 4 in the last 10 yrs so that's worth something. Their football situation is anoter. Combine a dangerous area around stadium with an inability to fill it up all the way and that's not good. I want to the Clemson game last year, and I saw just as much orange n purple as I did gold and navy. Bottom line: great school, ok sports teams, decent fan base, and a heck of a long way away from Big Ten country. My verdict: I like them, but don't want them in the Big Ten. I'll take Kansas though...
there are always a lot of climpsun fans but it was not half and half. and the area around campus has been hipster-fied.
Although that 20 cents in taxes is really going to grind my gears.
Well if the B1G must go to 16 teams, then I like the addition of Georgia Tech.
I would still rather be at 12 teams though...
Great, an option team in the B1G. I hope they're not in our divison.
But if GT did join the conference, it will be a ugly for them football attendance-wise. Their stadium seats 55K, but this year they had only 44K for Virginia and 42K for Duke. If GT's fanbase can't fill the stadium for longtime rivals aside from Clemson or Georgia, then good luck with Minnesota or Indiana or Wisconsin. It's bad enough when the TV cameras show 6,000 no-shows in the upper reaches of one section of Michigan Stadium, but 10,000+ empty seats in that little bandbox will look sorry as hell.
the Miami dong punch followed by the MTSU dong drone strike dampened a lot of enthusiasm. I thought the was gonna be PJ's best team and they've disappointed massively.
I'll predict we round out the conference with Hawaii because we have to get as close as possible to that massive Chinese market.
Nah, just invite the University of Beijing... Just think of that untapped recruiting ground! Instead of Slot Ninjas, we'd have Slot Samurai's.
This is all about media markets. They should just sell out and get Texas so the BIG conference (yes, BIG should be its new name) can have access to 8 of the 11 top media markets in the country.
1. New York (Rutgers)
3. Chicago (BTN HQ, NU, UIUC, alums from everywhere)
4. Philly (PSU)
5. Dallas (UT-Austin)
8. DC (Maryland)
9. Atlanta (GaTech)
10. Houston (UT-Austin)
11. Detroit (UM/MSU)
Why stop with Texas then? Why not USC or UCLA too?
and I hate it. No one's even giving lip service to anything other than money and TV markets now. The B1G is using the athletic conference as a way to just make money off TV sets. No concern for athletics or tradition or anything but money. Moneymoneymoney
I wonder if when Jim Delaney has the B1G headquarters built out of gold in 10 years and we have nothing else to spend money on if he'll still think it was all worth it
Goodbye BigTen(11), hello The B1G Coporation
Personally, I think its a great addition. GT is a great school and the campus is in a great location. That said, I do NOT look forward to playing them and their crazy offense. No thanks.
Funny, no one would have ever said that they were in a "great location" before the 1996 Olympics. That used to be a really bad part of town.
I live just south of Atlanta, so for completely selfish reasons, I would love adding them to the Big 10. And there are a ton of transplants down here - my neighbor to one side is an Illinois graduate, neighbor to the other went to Iowa, and the guy across the street went to OSU. A few doors down is a guy who went to Wisconsin.
i genuinely believe this is part of a master plan by delany to screw notre dame over.
so unless the Big Ten pushes aside one of the most basic and important criteria for membership in the conference (ND is a special case), schools that are not members of the AAU are not going to be invited into the conference.
Having said that, it's all about the money, so who the fuck knows what Delaney can persuade the conference presidents to do.
I know they are playing for a conference championship(but only by default)..how much longer do you think they keep him around? 9-4, 11-3, 6-7, 8-5, 6-6 and no bowl victories while at Ga Tech.
if not the seat gets warm. either way he needs a real DC (im hoping randy shannon) or he'll end up swinging from the same branch as RR so to speak.
Let's add Virginia, UNC, Clemson, and GT, and go with 18 teams! The alternative is taking Louisville and Memphis/MTSU since Kentucky, Tennessee, and Vandy aren't leaving the SEC. That leaves room to pick up ND and Texas to get to a nice, round 20 - the B1G will basically have half the TVs in the US carrying BTN, and Delany can swim in his Scrooge McDuck pool of money.
BC, Clemson, Pitt and UNC come to mind. It opens up the possibility of several other neighboring schools too. Personally I like it. GT is a fine academic institution, which I think should be the main focus of expansion.
"GT is a fine academic institution, which I think should be the main focus of expansion."
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh no. The moment the B1G starts looking at Ivy League schools, I'm out.
Secondly, what should be the main focus? The strenth of their football program? 99.9% of students go to college for the degree not the football tickets.
In all seriousness, this move is obviously about getting into the Atlanta market and more importantly establishing a presence in the South. I knew this would be coming, but I never would've thought it would be this quick. I expected a few years at 14 before we super expanded to 16.
Rumor out there that it's Georgia Tech and Syracuse.
I caveat that I have heard nothing one way or another from the SU side.
Atlanta is a great town, frequent and cheap flights from Detroit (Northwest/Delta hub to hub). I hope they're in our division. Great school, huge market.
Look at how Texas A&M jumped out from under UT's shadow with just one year in the SEC. GT will be fine in football. And this will absolutely help M recruiting in one of the most talent rich states in the country.
is coming to Atlanta. Would be a great side-trip for people when Michigan plays their every 15 year "conference matchup" versus GT in Atlanta.
Would love to see Clemson join.
Pretty decent club lacrosse team in a region with precious few D1 squads. They might be a prime candidate to jump to D1, especially with Big Ten $$$.
will probably bolt to the SEC and the ACC will be dead. ND will have to choose B1G or BIG 12 or risk being left with nothing.
Obviously FSU is the catch of that conference, but that was never going to happen because of geography. But is Clemson really better than the teams we got? Sure, they've been good at football recently, but not great, and they bring nothing else to the table in terms of basketball, a good market, academics, etc.
FSU and Clemson aren't going to the SEC. There's an agreement between the UF, USCe, and UGA presidents to block any of those schools' instate compadres from joining, and three is all it takes to block a new member.
PLEASE let it be true..I live in ATLANTA!!!!
Jim Delaney is looking to add Oxford as the 16th school. This will add the London television market as well as the rest of UK. Who cares if they will be playing Rugby? Its all about the $.
They do make sense Academically though.
"Rugby? just a different style offense, that's all."
I have a friend in Chapel Hill who says that a B1G move is being talked about all over campus. Then again, at this point that may be true of half the campuses in America.
That would be the Golden Goose, in my opinion.
Maybe they should have delayed honoring Willis Ward until it was a home game against Georgia Tech.
This is getting ridiculous. This is nothing more than a land grab. Delany is only concerned with TV ratings. Competition be damned. The SEC gained talented programs while we gained Rutgers and Maryland. Now Georgia Tech? Georgia Tech is not terrible, but why wouldn't we go after Oklahoma, OSU, Texas, K State? The Big 12 is obviously going to end up disappearing. I would think those schools would jump at a conference like the B1G TEN. Delany is an idiot.
K-State. GT is a better get than them. The Pac12 tried to get Texas and the Ok schools and we seen how that went. People jumped all over Delany about the Big10 Network and look how that worked out.
I wouldn't mind Kansas, but it would be for selfish reasons. I went to my first non-bowl Michigan game in over two decades this year to Nebraska, because it was driveable. Kansas would be an even shorter trip.
Did not see this very bubble-bursting podcast posted here yet, so here we go.
Maybe then we'll finally get rid of the Leaders and Legends divisions, get an East and West and when we sing the Victors "Champions of the West" will be actually mean something for the first time since the Northwest Ordinance days