Background is gone.
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
Background is gone.
Stop being a whiney concern troll
2015? My son is 2015. He commits and decommits to a number of things every week.
He gets 3-5 letters per day from colleges (many of which he's never heard of) and he is not a potential college athlete in a revenue sport. His letters are unrelated to any sport.
If he told me he had decided on a college I would smile and wait until the next day (and another pile of letters), when I would expect him to decide on another.
Not a college-level athlete, no recruiting calls/visits.
A 2015 recruit changed his mind?
Color me unsurprised (and certainly not 'upset' with him). He is a 16 year old kid.
Good luck on a bright future wherever that may be.
is my son too. One day it is Industrial Engineering at NCState. The next it is CS at UNC. Then some kind of Music Business degree at Belmont. Then Industrial Design at NCState ...
Agreed with posters above - we need to start winning again / another 2011 to keep the reason to believe up to attract these guys and give them no reason to sway.
my kid picks between marijuana and mollys every day...
A couple months ago it was: "At least they're still good recruiters!" Now ... yeah ... about that.
Now we only have one 5* recruit for the class not signing their LOI for over a year. Damn it!
for me it is more apparent which coaches are getting it done and which ones are not by the quality of recruits on each side of the ball... I don't worry about mattison and the defense...
Fuck a duck
Fast enough. 2013 pulled a Ben Roethlisberger on Michigan sports...
There were some signs of his coming from his Twitter for a lil while...it is what it is.
And the fact that D. Harris has tweeted somewhat positive things about other schools (the one in C-bus in particular) can't be a great sign. He's not 100 solid either, nor should they be honestly.
Bottomline, as someone in this thread, all of this stuff will sort itself out on the field. We win games, we get big recruits. We lose games, we lose those recruits. Simple. Thats the part we need to pay the most attention to, everything else falls in line from there...
I was under the impression Harris was solid because he is a huge Michigan fan. Oh well though, and I do agree with you as far as how winning effects things. We will just have to wait and see. I don't care if we are getting 5-stars or 2-stars, my love of Michigan does not rise and fall based on the whims of teenagers.
on the 14th.
It happens, and since he is 2015 the decommit doesn't seem to hit home to me since we wouldn't even see this kid on the field for another 2 years. At least a decommit is better than getting strung along for a year then getting dropped, amiright?
Consecutive 5 loss seasons, and some serious questions in this current coaching staffs ability to develop players; this should not come as a real surprise.
I hope he finds the perfect fit for him...and I still hope it's Michigan.
Take ten 17-year olds who commit during their junior year—regardless of where they're committing to—and it's very likely that 2 or 3 will end up changing their minds. That's the nature of teenagers, and while it sucks to lose a kid of his talent, I'm not surprised in the least that this happens. And if the above post about Damien Harris isn't snark, this may not be the last.
Those who stay will get Michigan degrees. Those who don't get a diploma with some other school's name on it.
That would be one hell of a troll by Harris if he tweeted that just to send the Michigan fanbase into hysterics.
There is NO reference to football at all before that tweet. How anyone got that he was decommitting off of that tweet I do not know.
Never said he was "decommitting", but what I should have said is "I dont think he's 100% solid" instead of saying it in a way that was matter-of-factly.
I think he's a wait until signing day prospect.
Whatever sold him to drop MSU and "commit" to UofM...well, it might not have the same value at this point.
Yeah, kind of a strange thing to tweet. If he wants attention, he got it.
In this era of following any gesture from commits, he may have wanted to qualify what he was talking about.
Wrong Harris. That's Drake Harris, who has already signed his enrollment papers and will be a Michigan student in like 2 weeks. This is about Damien Harris who was never an MSU commit and is a 2015 RB from Kentucky.
Well, the other Harris still is getting attention with that tweet.
Okay, my bad.
Wrong Harris. Damien, not Drake.
That he was in AA on November 30 and had a vist with Hoke on 12/4...Did things change that fast?
That ain't good
Jabrill Peppers staying is more important.
What did Michigan do to deserve this year?
The 2011 year was full of good luck, this year was/is full of bad. Back to the norm next year...?
did you see the Iowa game... much less the MSU game...
Not a surprise...#89 offense in the country and no real sign of improvement this past season. 2015 will be long recruiting cycle especially if the crap on the field continues.
Or poop made of gold for that matter.
I really wish I wouldn't spend so much time invested in recruiting.
Is it better to have loved and lost than to never loved at all?
This one hurts. We have some good wide recievers coming in and he does have hands problems but guys that big and fast are rare. I doubt he leaves the SEC but best of luck to him.
We do it with models
I'm an architect. just part of the job.
I don't understand the point of these kids commiting early if they can just change their mind (i.e. their verbal "commitment" really means nothing at all). Kids are "commiting" earlier and earlier and they're just changing their minds more frequently. I'd really like to see an end put to this non-sense and either have some kind of a punishment for breaking a commitment or not allowing one until signing day.
To a certain extent this is us getting what we deserve for putting up with Borges's bullshit. Dave Brandon can call all the recruits he wants but if he's not going to get the right staff in place ASAP some of the kids will get the joke eventually. Hard to blame Campbell, frankly
It is people like you posting stuff like this about the coaches....FIRE EVERYBODY _ WE LOST A GAME that kids read on social media and they start to think that Michigan is a tire fire so they decommit. Most have no idea about how a simple pass route works yet post crap. That is what it is too - crap.
Our reaction to losses is no different than any other fan base that has expectations for their program (OSU boards were lighting up after their loss to MSU). Like it or not, these kids are able to see what's happening on the field. We can't rebuild forever and at some point it needs to translate to wins on the field. 2014 is critical because another mediocre season will definitely impact 2015/2016 classes..
I love this site but I'm getting so tired of all the negative bashing! If you think current players and recruits do not pay attention to our fan base reaction, specifically off this blog you are absolutely mistaken.
Think before you start venting is all I'm saying! It goes a long way.
Yes, because potential recruits--high-level recruits particularly--care a lot more about what some random "fans" say on 1 of 10 websites than they do about the actual play-calling on the field.
If I was Campbell or any other 5-star recruit with a legit chance to go in the first round of the NFL draft, the offensive play-calling and success of the program absolutely matters. It matters to him for the same reason that college rankings matter to us. The higher ranked the school/program, the better chance there is that the first job offer out of school will be a sought-after, lucrative offer.
Hoke can do whatever he wants with his coordinators while he's the coach; it's his program. But I really hope he starts to take notice that the play on the field is having an impact on his recruiting successes. In Year 4, he can't sell "Come be part of the renaissance of Michigan football." If it's not happening by Y4, there's a chance it never happens under Hoke.
I mean. Did you watch this year? Michigan WAS a tire fire on offense, and we went 7-5 because of it. I'm not saying fire Hoke or anyone else, but Borges is just awful man. He lost us at least two games this year, and that could have been the difference between losing and keeping this kid. Ask yourself this: would you rather play for Al Borges, or any one of another truly gifted OCs? Because Campbell has his pick.
I've been pretty positive around here, and FIRE BORGES isn't exactly an outlier opinion, so not sure what you're getting so exercised about, like this is somehow my fault.
I want more negs for this comment.
Yet another example of why verbal commits are dumb. They should move the date for written LOI up to fall, when every other high school senior is deciding where to go to school, and stop reporting verbal commits. Obviously you can't stop a kid from saying "I'm going here" but maybe we would stop talking about it (lol), and it would make signing day less of a way-too-late formality.
You know, you just might be on to something. I never got so riled until I started following recruiting. You can't get overly emotional about the decision making of teenagers, because it will drive you nuts. Verbal commitments have as much value as the signature that comes with them. None at all.