I sat right in front of the d line while they were doing their warmup drills. My untrained observation is that size and strength are their primary attributes more so than quickness and speed.
Also Henry Poggi looks like a badass viking.
I sat right in front of the d line while they were doing their warmup drills. My untrained observation is that size and strength are their primary attributes more so than quickness and speed.
Also Henry Poggi looks like a badass viking.
Peppers will start at CB by the game at sparty.
Hurst could get PT this year.
Mo Ways did great. Redshirt or?
Jack Miller and Mason Cole both got beat twice a piece leading to pretty ugly results in the play. Eiiiweah.
I'm kind of scared Funchess is gonna go pro after this season.
Will Shallman start at U-back?
We could see a Lewis and Clark secondary tandem this season.
It sounds like we have many options at corner. I think I will be merry whether Lewis and Clark start or don't.
Bravo! Well played, well played indeed
will the defense lead the conference in Sacagaweas?
When they're in nickel, he'll slide over and Taylor will come in.
Wow, that's interesting. Do we know how Lewis and Countess fit in? Did both Taylor and Countess get leapfrogged?
but Lewis is clearly the other starter. Countess may not be 100% yet.
As long as they take us to great heights where no (few) other Michigan secondary has gone before...
be playing the part of Pocahontas, guiding Lewis and Clark thru new and hostile territory ?
Pocahontas? Maybe Sacagewea. Not sure I spelled that correctly, however.
No, you're a Sack uh gewea!
(Sorry, that goes through my head everytime I get one of those coins from the change machine. You spelled it right.)
Personally I have planned on Funchess leaving after this year if he just replicates or improves upon the season he had last year. Still not a fun thought though
He could have a biletnikoff kind of season. ..
Frank Clark was a monster. He's so quick off the line.
Countess ran with the 2s for the most part, interesting.
Moe Ways made at least 4 great catches, he looks legit.
Mone may have the biggest thighs I've ever seen.
BWC's thighs were bigger than my torso at the 2009 spring game when he was an early enrollee.
Unlike the worrying uncertainty at OL, I have some confidence that Countess running with the 2s isn't so much an issue of him underperforming as it is an issue of real talent emerging at the position. I'm kind of excited about our secondary this year, even apart from whatever Peppers is becoming.
Lewis has been getting hype in spring and now. Peppers - well I thought they'd merge him in slowly but without early entree status he showed enough at nickel that they are willing to already have him absorb corner. Compare that to Dymonte who is struggling to get any 1 position down - and it says good things about Peppers.
I did not think both Taylor and Countess would get displaced as that is 4 years of starting thrown out the door but if Lewis and Peppers are better, so be it. It speaks to depth here. A great luxury to throw in 2 year starters as your subs.
The HUGE difference here is that Peppers played DB in HS and is use to coverage. Dymonte was a LB who didn't have to cover so he has to learn a whole new skill set. It is much harder to move back in a D scheme than it is to move up.
I remember when not to long ago I practically got negged to Bolivia for suggesting that Countess would not start at CB.
So... Are we ready for basketball season then with the horrendous play of the o-line?
/does whatever because I'm not sure how to classify my comment
This team will/would be so good with a decent O line. Also, is there any chance of getting some video from this event?
I remember saying/hearing this about the 2010 team but with a decent defense. eerie.
The video you'll get from MGoBlueTV will be highly edited and condensed.
Yeah, except that unlike the 2010 offense, this year's defense should actually be good.
against bad offenses?
A terrible O line.
There was some guy a few rows in front of us that must have been recording every play with his camera phone. Maybe he was from MGoBlog. (Or one of our rivals)
Green getting a lot of time with ones
Smith looks like your short yardage back
Morris looked better than bowl game
Gardner didn't play nearly as much as Morris
Khalid Hill ran a lot of routes that I think you'll see Butt run when he gets back.
no bad TOs.
OL will improve, eh, gel.
Devin did throw a few balls into the stands to avoid sacks.
Our defense is Mattified and our offensive line is Funkified.
Special K had a much worse showing than the OL. Billy Joel, Journey, 7NA.
7NA for the deathknell...
Whoa - do we not like Billy Joel? I can't get on board with that. What song was it? Please say River of Dreams.
I was one of the students on the sideline for the game, and we had a ton of fun. I managed to get high-fives and talk with Hoke, Nuss (I even touched his playsheet!), Devin, Jabrill, Clark, JMFR, Green, Smith, and more. I should preface my observations by saying that I did sort of tune the practice out after about halfway through.
The first team o-line, from memory, was Cole-Magnusson-Miller-Glasgow-Braden. They didn't look great, but they didn't look awful either. They were pretty unnoticeable.
Mo Ways has some great hands; I wouldn't be surprised to see him get some PT later in the year.
Jabrill Peppers is a man-child.
Lots of screen passes. Most likely due to Nuss playbook and lack of protection.
I'll say this. The fact that Nuss is attempting to develop an effective screen game means he's at least willing to deal with reality. Sometimes you have to give in and deal with your weaknesses rather than continuing to shove your preferred gameplan down everyone's throats.
Borges was a pretty fantastic coach at developing the screen play. He might have taken over for one of the most-determined-to-run-the-screen coaches of all time.The achilles heel of that plan is that it doesn't work so well when the opponent gets to sit on it because you don't threaten with anything else.
Admittedly I didn't see the scrimmage and it depends on what screens you're running. I assumed these were pro-type screens out of a pass formation vs bubble screens and other extended running plays but I didn't see any of it.
You can line up where ever you want. How far did we get against Kanasas State with screen passes?
It does matter where you're lining up. Different type screen passes have different purposes and attempt to take advantage of different offensive shortcomings and defensive tendencies.
The point is, are you stubbornly adhering to your philosophy or adapting to the situation at hand?
Sorry, I just don't buy the signifigance of allignment that has become so popular on boards over the last 3 years. I haven't seen anything convinving that the difference between winning and losing has ever been whether your 6th man on the line is 10 yards from your nearest tackle or 1 yard.
I'm not so concerned as to whether Nussmeier can change philosophies from what he's run before, I'm more worried about whether this offense can beat defenses that we'll face throughout the year. And I don't think a mental resolve on Nussmeier's part to go to the screen play is an idicator of that at this point.
That's a fair enough response and I respect that. Personally I've watched this for much longer than I'd prefer to admit but but do believe there can be a a difference.
Here's my final 2 cents. Even the worst of seasons (last year's PSU overtime exhibit 1) can come down to just a very few mis-timed or mis-called plays.
At that time Michigan was ranked #18. It's a very fine line and the specifics matter
That is such a critical quality for any coach to have, IMO. You have to walk that fine line where you adapt, yet continue to work toward your own philosophy. Borges seemed to have been doing that in year one. We won 11 games. Last year, he seemed completely unwilling to adapt to in-game situations. Many situations from last year come to mind, but the 37-for-37 against PSU and calling play-action TEN times vs MSU immediately stand out.
As long as we have a guy who is willing to adapt, we'll be fine. We've got enough talent to win games as long as we do that. If Borges adapted last year, we beat PSU and Iowa and the whole lens we see this upcoming season through is different
This was probably the biggest critique I had of Borges. The more I saw, the more frustrated I became. I honestly didn't mind his scheme philosophy; plenty of people year prefer the running spread concepts after watching RR, and while I certainly want a qb to be as mobile as possible, and recognize that a Vince Young type player (hyper athletic AND a solid passer), I know just how rare it is to find, and if a qb has to be one dimensional, I want a passer, not a runner.
But looking at Borges's strengths (lots of experience, solid knowledge of offensive concepts, etc.), I realized that those aren't strengths at all; those are baseline requirements. If you don't have those, you have absolutely no business coaching anywhere near a D1 program. What doomed Borges imo was hos arrogance. He was going to run his plays, come hell or high water. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's stupid to forgo the opportunities your opponent gives you. While I understand you can have success being hyper aggressive and pushing your strategy, once that stops working you need to adapt. Repeatedly bashing into a wall because you think that's where the door should be, instead of moving to where the door is, makes you look like a dumb mule. Hell, that's probably an insult to mules.
If you want a real world example, look at Gettysburg. Had Lee listened to Longstreet and disengaged, using his position between the Union army and DC to force a battle on his terms instead of forcing a battle on the Union's, the Confederates would probably have won the Civil War in 1863 instead of sealing their fate and eventually losing in 1865...
Yeah those were the two wins we could have had with more attention to the specific developments in the games. Some plays should have been completely scrapped and maybe a few others improvised. Instead we just kept trying to make "it" happen.
with the screen game because we couldn't run the football AND it was obvious that Shane wasn't given the green light to throw downfield. You will gain at least one of these this year no matter how bad the O-Line is.
IIRC we actually were fairly effective the first few drives in the BWW Bowl until K-state figured out they didn't have to respect the deep threat.
Oh and how was the cell signal inside the stadium?
/s and I'm sure of it this time
Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere on the board yet but how about that Wyatt Shallman catch and run!
Shane played better than Devin IMO
Green and Johnson got the majority of snaps with the 1s Smith mostly with 2s
Ways had some nice catches but they were all against a walk on I have never heard of
Mo Hurst made a couple nice plays in backfield-quick off the ball
Noticed when we came out of nickel a couple times Peppers stayed on field at CB and Taylor came off
Hagerup boomed some (one at least 70 yards in the air) and is now #40
I know Peppers was highly-touted, but to be starting at CB as a Freshman, especially with our depth and experience, is very impressive.
Pretty much all of my game observations have been made already, but regarding the event itself, I wish they would have had the PA guy call every play, like in a real game, and not just after big plays. Otherwise the event was okay, but that would have been nice. I realized while I was watching that I don't know a lot of players' numbers right now.
couldn't bring up the one on mgoblog for some reason and couldn't find one on a couple other sites so I gave up. Where is Wolverine Devotee when you need him?
I had "max tower" on my AT&T phone higher up in the south end zone. Not sure if that means anything due to smaller than packed stadium.
Mone is a monstrous person and seems to get a lot of push. I think he's going to be a force opposing offenses have to plan around. Pallante is smaller but seems to also get good push when I was watching him.
I think we are going to see some Bo Dever at some points this year. Moe Ways had a nice night. Hayes looks great on a wheel route. Deveon still looks really hard to bring down.
Happy to see Gardner chuck it in the stands instead of trying yo razzle dazzle. Morris throws the most beautiful spiral, the ball just spins perfectly on its axis. Don't know why I picked up on that. WIlton looks like he is going to be a nice successor a couple years down the road. I liked that the QBs had to run the play in and out...think thats a good simulation to help tire them out, and give the "feel" of the game fatigue without endangering them to injury.
The offense seemed to get some ground yards in the red zone. Not sure how you rate offense v defense in such a scenario but obviously less effort into delivering hits to teammates, just wrapping up basically, and the WR blocking on CBs looked like a single push and then leave it. Completely understandable not wanting to injure any players early in camp.
Looks like Ray Taylor could get some touches as a kickoff return guy. Fleet continues to be exciting, I hope he can break one this year. The orange hats look really goofy!
Enjoyed the evening, perfect weather. It actually did seem like a nice gesture from the Athletic Dept to have a free event primarily for kids and families. Wonder if they read my post about trying to do something, anything benevolent to put some bevel on their typical Gordon Gecko edge.
I'm sure it was your post that did it, not one of the other 3,462 posts saying the same thing.
that's for sure.
If UM loses to ND, Morris starts third game.
Hey Nostradamus - if DG throws 3 TDs, 0 INT'S against ND, does Morris start the next game?
You didn't mention the hypothetical 6 fumbles he had.
No, in that event Funk will replace Mattison as DC. Thus spoke Nostradamus.
in a losing effort? Not coming to you for my contingency planning, that's for damn sure.
I gave my OL take in the other thread...
2nd team offense got the lion's share of reps, maybe 60% with 1st and 3rd team splitting the rest 20%, 20%.
DL looked legit, 2 or three deep with no noticeable drop off.
The "aggressive" defense is real. Safety rolled up and corners playing man on an island much of the time.
Mo ways was impressive. Funchess looked great. Cateen was hit and miss, had some good plays, had a couple drops iirc.
Peppers played well, got beat on the Funchess endzone fade, but not much he could do. Really, all coverage was pretty good.
When Morris had time, which was hardly ever with the 2s, he looked great. Better than Gardner to be honest. He also showed surprisingly good elusiveness on a couple plays, including a nice touch pass over a corner on the run.
Gardner was up and down. Had a few perfectly thrown balls (Funchess fade was beautiful) and a couple great scrambles, but also made some qurstionable decisions.
Drake Johnson is for real. He ran with the twos, but you could still tell he's developed some shimmy to compliment his track speed.
Special teams looked pretty solid. Norfleet had a good return to the house, probably wouldn't have gone the distance in live contact, but still. Hagerup (?) boomed an absolutely ridiculous punt, had the returner in full sprint the wrong direction and he still barely got there. Must have been 65-70 yards in the air, maybe got the biggest cheer of the night.
8-4 doesn't save Hoke. Only 9-3 saves Hoke. Any loss besides ND, MSU and OSU gets Hoke fired. Hoke (and the staff he is responsible for) recruited these O-line recuits, and coached these O-line recruits. If the O-line cannot get the team nine wins with this schedule, Hoke cannot justify keeping his job.
but it looks like you should have another short life here.
We don't give a fuck about your opinions on "what saves Hoke".
Your first post was not a good one.
How do I unsubscribe from your newsletter?
Nothing will save you from a negbomb and eventually a trip to Bolivia.
Ranger you done upset the mgovaginas
the MGoPenises out from the woodwork.
If we go 8-4 and that gets Hoke fired, I will eat the trunk of a lemon tree.
Won't get fired, but using your logic, why should he be able to lose to OSU or MSU?
Just a question since I didn't go to the scrimmage and actually watch the plays... Because it's open to the public and any "scout" could come and watch, could the offensive play calling have been so "vanilla" that the opposing defense didn't have to have a powerful scheme to shut down the offensive running game?
this was primarily to simulate a night game and I read somewhere that the music was to simulate crowd noise. I think it was likely that a lot of what we were seeing was very basic.
in this situation so the OL problems didn't surprise me. They are juggling players every day on the OL at this point. I'll worry if they aren't adequate when the season starts. I think the DL they faced tonight is probably going to be one of the toughest they face this year. I didn't think the 1st string offensive line was that bad though.
I thought Ways looked good, Devers had some good plays. Darboh had a couple catches. Funchess made a couple tough catches. I think there are plenty of guys to catch passes and we are going to live or die on offense primarily on a short passing game at least until the line play improves. The running game needs work but I didn't see the huge losses of last year. The safety was bad but they were practicing runs from inside the 5. One of them went bad.
No big surprise though. We are going to go as far as our defense carries us until the offense catches up. I think the defense is going to be very strong.
Hagerup is the other person I haven't really seemed mentioned. He was booming the ball with tremendous hang time. He may change a game or two and is going to be invaluable for keeping the opposing team pinned deep and shortening the field for the offense.
collective 20-some-odd yards deep into the night last night. Was that not the case? I'm having trouble, as someone who didn't see the game, putting together a fair number of positive observations about individual backs with the possibility that they gained no or little ground. Were they actually improving as the night went on, along with the line?
You can really see the difference in recruiting take shape. Not many Gallons or Dileos left. The receiving core is huge. Really gonna give opposing defenses trouble over next few years.
Defense seems really far ahead right now. Lots of communication by the LBs.
Shallman is hard to tackle even though he runs straight up.
First team OL looked better towards end of scrimmage, but isn't close to decent yet.
Lot of talent in the team. I think you finally see it gel on defense
Overall this team reminds me of last year's MSU team at the start if the season: defense led offense and a great punter put opponents on a long field. If the OL can gel over the next two months and be even less than decent, this could be a good team. If not, it's gonna be a long season with some flashes of excellence at the skill positions overwhelmed by ineptitude up front.
Still a very young team with lots of talent at all positions.
Good post, but I don't get he knock on Gallon. He was an Army AA.
I can't speak for him, but I didn't see it as a knock. Gallon was just a small, quick guy, which is the type of player we don't really seem to recruit anymore..
Even the folks climbing the most isolated peaks of the Andes can't deny that we'll miss Gallon.
I enjoyed it but I was dying for football so maybe I am in the minority. I think this is something they should do every year and i think they can make this into a major event and recruiting tool. I'm sure if it had been announced earlier attendance would have been higher. I still think it was a pretty good crowd.
I would definitely attend again next year. I'm curious on others feelings.
better weather than spring game, full roster and maybe fans are more lathered up with football on the horizon
Good chance it's not free next year.
You? Okay then...
Joe Bolden is looking like a beast. Seems faster, stronger, and better recognizing plays with great coverage.
One more thing: please, no one offer Hagerup a joint this year. He looks like he's the love child of Ferentz and Carr. He's gonna be great this year if he can stay clean.
Ferentz and Carr making babies.... this is what I fantasize about. It's great to finally meet someone else that shares my fetish.
on my brain pan.
1) I really like our DL, especially the DT. Deep, talented and constantly in the backfield
2) Have not seen it mention much,but the LBs looked good to me as well. JoeB showed me the hype was all about
3) Wile. To me, should not be over looked that he hit 3 FGs including a 47 harder. It is a nice benefit to have a kicker that will get you points once you cross the 30.....
4) Morris - now let's be clear, Gardner is the starter and rightfully so, but I certainly like what I saw from Morris
5) Funchess - I think he is ready to dominate, teams will have to roll coverage/ double him. This will only create space through the field
1) Ummmmmmmm - yeah the OL. 1st string and 2nd string. The longest RB run was 7 yards? If I had to put a split on how much was the OL and how much is on the fact that they faced a really good DL (note my #1 above), I would say 70% OL, 30% the DL they faced. I will also note that we actually only saw 3/5 of the starting line. I am in the camp that Glasgow takes the C position upon his return and Kalis is the starting RG........... Please, please, please let Kaliis's back just be a minor issue
2) Kick off coverage. While it looked cool to see Norfleet run one back. That was actually the 2nd straight "TD" return. This needs attention over the next 2 weeks
Overall, I believe this team is going to do well. Championship well? No, there is still some work to be done....
If the OL is getting beat, would a Barwis bootcamp help them improve their speed along with technique, rather than raw strength and bulk? With all due respect to the current S&C coach, I was alway impressed with OL during 2009 despite RR.
I don't know what to say about the tenure of Funk, but perhaps it is too early to say for this season.
That link is for pics from practice outside of glick -- probably wednesday. Don't see any yet from Scrim UTL I. I really want to see some since I was on the field and almost got run over by Freddie.
As pointed out above, these pics are from an earlier practice, and the scrimmage we're all talking about here was yesterday, Saturday...
Also, you've been here three years and that was your first comment?
How was the wifi? Follow question, was there fireworks?
In general. Darboh was getting a lot of looks. He had some drops, but also a few nice catches. I was hoping to see more Canteen plays. He did make an excellent catch on a long pass though. Looks a lot like Super Mario. Mo Ways is VERY talented, that was obvious. But with the depth in front of him, I don't see him making a big splash this year. Looks like DeMario Jones didn't get any fallout from being with C'sonte York, at least yet. He made a few nice catches.
Thanks to all who attended! It is great to hear so much about the team. Since I didn't attend and there was no stream, this was extremely helpful. A few crumbs as we wait for the season to begin. Just a few observations about the thread:
But sadly, my friend, patience is not a real strength around here. I think I gave up on the blog after Penn State last year.
I think the crushing disappointment was a completely appropriate response to the dumbest game ever.
I couldn't sleep after that game. The horribleness haunted me.
under RichRod that got me. The idea that two coaches in a row might have failed was too much to bear.
On an only marginally related note: I can live with the OL being a continuing work in progress this year. But we shouldn't have to live with flailing and ineptitude.
I know many are on the fire Funk bandwagon. He is part of the problem, but the bigger issue is Hoke. The tone of what a team is, starts with the leader. I think you can change all you want on the coordinator side, but the results would probably stay about the same. We have talented recruits, but seem to be soft at the line of scrimmage.
I love me some Brady Hoke but this is probably his second to last year. He jus isn't getting it done.
"He just isn't getting it done."
Yeah, I expect Michigan to come out and win every single . . . Practice scrimmage?! Wait until the season at least starts before calling for hoke's head.
Also, you do realize that Hoke is responsible for the whole team, not just the OL. So that awesome d-line, the stud secondary, the stacked linebacker group, the insane punting and that nice receiving that we saw - Hoke gets some credit for that so why focus on the one group that is still a work in progress?
We haven't even played a game this season yet
don't you just start a fire Hoke thread then?
I like how the G.Matt was throwing the whole kitchen sink at the offense. This is what they will be facing all season if they don't tighten it up now.
totally agree! Hoke did say he wants them in high pressured situations to get them ready. It seems though they are not ready yet. I really hope the oline comes along fast because if they don't it's going to be ugly!
My observations from last night at the sUTL.
1. Attendance was pretty good. You didn't need a ticket to get in, they just opened the gates and let people walk right it. Tickets were just for their estimation of interest.
2. Student turnout didn't seem all that high even though they aren't back to school yet. The opportunity to get on the field didn't pull many in.
3. There was a guy who proposed to his wife on the field. She said yes I would assume as they walked off together. Unless she is into odd situations because he drove her there.
4. Shane M. and Devin G. both look good. While warming up Shane seemed to take things very serious and he seems to want to start. Devin was a little more relaxed and playful. Shane throws a heck of a spiral.
5. Your initial starting line was Cole, Magnuson, Miller, Glasgow, Braden. Dawson did make an appearance for Glasgow after some reps.
6. Your line for Morris was LTT, Burzynski, Kugler, Bosch, Dawson.
7. I expect your kick/ punt returners to be Norfleet and Peppers. Douglas took some snaps as well, but there is too much potential with the other two.
8. Mo Ways, Bo Fever and DeMario Jones all had some nice catches. Canteen had a great sprint and catch down the sideline. Our receiving corp is deep and good. Mo Ways had a heck of a block on one of the passes that went for some yards.
9. Our RB's all looked like we left off close to last year. No large gaping holes to run through, but they seem to know where they were supposed to be running through. Green, Smith and Johnson could all potentially start. Hayes looks good hitting the edge and his hands look good. Shallman is a stud. He is just hard to stay with, always finds a way to make a play and is just hard to bring down. He could be a ton of offense if nothing else seems to work.
10. Devin still has a tendency to not stand in the pocket and try too much. He did throw a couple into the stands to save the sack, but he also let one fly before that just over a defenders head that should have went into the stands...and Nuss gave him a talking to about it. I hate to say it, but he hit his ceiling last year. His decision making skills will make or break our close games and I am not sure he has matured in that area from last year.
11. Shane has crisp passes, more so than Devin. Shane reminded me a lot of watching AJ Mccarron run that offense the first year. He was mechanically sound, doesn't quite have the full grasp of checking at the line and stuff, but could run this offense because Nuss will get him through it. Shane has potential to be really good without being the athlete that Gardner is. Shane does have a tendency to stare down receivers on almost every pass, this could be an issue.
12. Our defense is tough. They are not the laid back bend don't break defense of last year. They are swarming to the ball...everyone. Our DEs are extremely quick. Clark and Charlton both were able to blow by guys and get into the backfield. They weren't afraid to send DBs either. This defense could keep us in games and definitely played more aggressive.
13. Our O-line... I sat in front of them as they waed up and did the drills at the behinning of practice. I think the problem here is that they are still young and learning. Good news is, I am not sure Glasgow is our best lineman anymore because the others have begun to catch up. Cole wasn't terrible, but he is a little undersized for the position. He has a bright future ahead of him. Braden and Magnuson looked the most polished of the bunch and they still were being coached a good deal. For the most part, they seemed to give Devin enough time to throw, but not much push to let the RBs through. I don't remember seeing Kalis at all last night, could be I just missed him. It was at times hard to tell if the D-line was just that good that they overshadowed the O-line or is the O-line still just that bad.
13. I was looking at the schedule and 9-3 looks achievable outside of ND, MSU, Penn St and OSU. We can win one of those. Everything else looks pretty weak. If the line starts to get push 10-2 or higher could be possible. The O-line is gonna be the key.
The tickets got those with them in at 6:30 instead of 7:00 when they opened the gates to all.
Nope. Those who had season tickets got in at 6:30. Everyone else got in at 7:00 regardless if they had a ticket or not. I think the students got in earlier too.
We will field a top 15 defense and the offense will struggle early in the season, but I firmly believe the O-line will be better than last year. App. St. is sort of down and it could be an excellent chance to get some confidence in the O-line. I will get negged for this, but Mone could be moved to guard. He is ENORMOUS!!!!!
liked everything you said until the Mone comment haha! I live him at Dline.
Despite the O-Line concerns and criticism, the open practice was lots of fun. Next year, I hope there's another night scrimmage with more notice given to fans.