http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2012/11/25/3553750/gene-chizik-...
That's a fine, reasonable move, but I'm shocked and horrified that this means that a college football coach (Chizik) was dishonest to a prized recruit (Derrick Green).
hmmm is he any good at
He
He is a Defensive coach.
THIS IS MICHIGAN
heard
heard
Maybe Al Borges is a
Maybe Al Borges is a candidate for a replacement.
You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.
ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!
ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!
War Eagle!!!
Go get Loeffler for QBs
Go get Loeffler for QBs coach.
Why?
Why?
Why Not
Navarre improved drastically when we first brought in Lefty as QB coach. He did a good job prepping a true freshman henne into a competent QB as soon as year one.
It would be great to have him work with Shane.
It's not going to happen though. Borges doesn't believe in QB coaches.
Is the issue that "Borges
Is the issue that "Borges doesn't believe in QB coaches" or that we're at our NCAA-mandated limit and can't hire any additional assistants?
Perhaps the issue is that we
Perhaps the issue is that we don't need a QB coach:
http://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2012/11/should-michigan-get-qb-coach....
I personally like a QB coach
But I don't think there is a huge difference between having one or not. My preferance would be to have one, but to claim it's idiotic not to or something along those lines goes to far. It's about equal to "I prefer a 4-3 to a 3-4", both can work, it's all preference and coaching style.
Not really sure how i'm trolling here...
Anyway, Borges has specifically said that he won't hire a QB coach. He's made it clear he doesn't believe in that. NCAA mandate or not.
It's no secret that I don't like him as a coach, but in this case, I was just clarifying that Loeffler wouldn't happen with our OC.
OK, but the NCAA limit is an
OK, but the NCAA limit is an issue. If you hire a QB coach to work with Borges, some other assistant has to leave.
Loeffler
Not going to debate your opinion re: Loeffler's abilities as a coach. I think you'd find the UM community divided. Auburn fans probably aren't divided (http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/10/auburns-struggles-point-directly-to-o...) . It's a worthwhile discussion b/c I could see Hoke bringing him back on staff when he leaves with Chizik, though maybe not until 2014.
Some relevant statistics are in order. I couldn't find where "QB rating" was tracked during the Navarre years, but here's his career stats at UM sans QB rating. Also, here's what it looked like for Henne, Tebow (2009 only) and Brantley (2010 only). Also including numbers re: Temple Total Offense (2011) and Auburn Total Offense (2012).
John Navarre (2000-2003 -- Yardage and Completion% improvement. Big 10 Champs 2003, 10-3)
http://stats.ath.umich.edu/football/cmaster.php?pkey=15
Chad Henne (2004- 2007 -- Yardage and Rating drop-off. Co-Big10 Champs 2004, 9-3. 0-4 against OSU.)
| Career Statistics | |||||||||||||||
| Passing | Rushing | ||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Year | GP | GS | Comp | Att | Pct | Yds | Lng | TD | Int | Rat. | Att | Yds | Avg | Lng | TD |
| 2004 | 12 | 12 | 240 | 399 | 60.2 | 2743 | 69 | 25 | 12 | 132.6 | 55 | 9 | 2 | ||
| 2005 | 12 | 12 | 223 | 382 | 58.4 | 2526 | 54 | 23 | 8 | 129.6 | 54 | 18 | 1 | ||
| 2006 | 13 | 13 | 203 | 328 | 61.9 | 2508 | 69 | 22 | 8 | 143.4 | 47 | 14 | 0 | ||
| 2007 | 10 | 8 | 162 | 278 | 58.3 | 1938 | 65 | 17 | 9 | 130.5 | 24 | 9 | 0 | ||
| Total | 47 | 45 | 828 | 1387 | 59.7 | 9715 | 69 | 87 | 37 | 133.9 | 180 | 18 | 3 | ||
Tim Tebow (2009 only -- QB Rating drop-off)
| Passing | Rushing | ||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Season | Team | GP | Rating | Att | Comp | Pct | Yds | TD | INT | Sack | Att | Yds | TD | ||
| 2006 | Florida Gators | 14 | 201.7 | 33 | 22 | 66.7 | 358 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 89 | 469 | 8 | ||
| 2007 | Florida Gators | 13 | 172.5 | 350 | 234 | 66.9 | 3,286 | 32 | 6 | 13 | 210 | 895 | 23 | ||
| 2008 | Florida Gators | 14 | 172.4 | 298 | 192 | 64.4 | 2,747 | 30 | 4 | 15 | 176 | 673 | 12 | ||
| 2009 | Florida Gators | 14 | 155.6 | 304 | 213 | 70.1 | 2,895 | 21 | 5 | 25 | 217 | 910 | 14 | ||
| Totals | 55 | 170.8 | 985 | 661 | 67.1 | 9,286 | 88 | 15 | 53 | 692 | 2947 | 57 | |||
John Brantley (2010 only -- QB Rating dropoff)
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15582/type/college/john-brantley
Temple Total Offense 2011: 63 out of 120
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=o...
Auburn Total Offense 2012: 115 out of 120
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/1027/p3
Conclusion: Body of work is a mixed bag, IMO, but the trend doesn't appear to be a favorable one.
The table is being set for a UMidget Dynasty.
I agree. I don't understand
I agree. I don't understand the love affair some seem to have with Loeffler. I've heard there is some 'baggage' with him, as well.
Loeffler
It might have something to do with all the future NFL QBs he coached at Michigan. Sure, the cause-and-effect relationship in those situations isn't always clear, but he probably had something to do with their development. Seemed like a good guy, too ...
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Also, he was associated with the golden, pre-Rodriguez era at Michigan when the team ran a PRO-STYLE (!!!) offense and never lost any games.
/s
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Aside: I'm curious about "baggage." Care to elaborate?
"..."
Loeffler has a good track
Loeffler has a good track record as a QB coach, but I think the jury's out on him as an OC. He had a very tough season this year at Auburn.
Good news but...
This does work in our favor but after yesterday, recruiting is one of the last things I want to hear about right now.
Lloyd Brady is my homeboy...for real he is!
Don't you think that OSU's
Don't you think that OSU's defensive line recruiting - and the break that we decided to take in recruiting offensive linemen - had just a little to do with yesterday's outcome?
Yes and No
Yes, that explains Michigan's total inability to run inside as well as difficult in pass protection.
No, that does not excuse Michigan's insistance on trying to run inside repeatedly, nor telegraphing whether it's a run or pass by whether Denard was in or not.
Normally you want to play to your strengths, not your opponents. When you minimize your strengths and maximize your opponent's, you can't really credit your opponent for your failure...
Recruiting is a 24/7, 365-1/4 day a year job around here.
If we let up, who knows what might happen to the recruiting!
May you have a strong foundation
When the winds of changes shift
Sounds like we have our next
Sounds like we have our next recruiting coordinator.
"Are you an official here?Because you've officially given me a boner."
No surprise
Whoever had Cam was going to win the championship that year, that's all Chizik had.
Eh I don't know about that.
Eh I don't know about that. I can think of one coordinator who probably could've blown it.
FIFY
Whoever bought Cam was going to win the championship that year, that's all Chizik had.
Denard's 2010 was spent redefining what one man can do.
Wait so a guy who went 5-19
Wait so a guy who went 5-19 at Iowa State didn't work out at Auburn? What the hell is this world coming to?
What the hell is this world coming to?
Next thing you're gonna tell me is that a guy who went 17-20 at La Tech isn't going to be a raging success at Tennessee. The world is spinning off its axis.
Chizik told Green "We plan to
Chizik told Green "We plan to be here next year" so I don't see how that was a lie.
What
What I h supposed to say. "Oh, I'm getting fired don't come here"
THIS IS MICHIGAN
No, but how about something
No, but how about something like "Hey I'm getting fired you should probably go to Michigan."
I can feel a stupid
I can feel a stupid conversation developing here, but here's the quote from Green:
“They’re not going nowhere,” said four-star running back Derrick Green in an interview with Auburn Undercover. “They said, ‘We plan to be here.’ That’s what they told me. They plan to be here and they’re not going anywhere.”
Now I have no idea if "and they're not going anywhere" was part of what the coaches told Green or just what Green believes, but parsing language with these kinds of things is silly.
You took a quote from a
You took a quote from a recruit and used it to accuse a guy of being dishonest. A guy who would have no reason to be dishonest in this instance.
Except for the other thing. That hurts the most. But the lack of respect hurts the second most.
He said "not going nowhere."
He said "not going nowhere." So they had to go somewhere.
/badjokewithdoublenegatives
2011 Nebraska State Champ "We're Michigan." @tannerwooten not that funny, though.
He also apparently said
"we're not going anywhere"
But so what? as someone already mentioned, what is the guy supposed to say?
Dave Brandon also barked out those famous words to a bunch of recruits a couple months before he fired Rich Rodriguez.
So people in college athletics are not Oracles... oh well.
I know a lot of people
Who will have a fit if Petrino gets hired...but wins matter
I hope Petrino gets hired.
I hope Petrino gets hired. That would be hilarious.
I agree
But the wife is an auburn fan so I'll have to deal with that.
Petrino worries?
Are you worried Petrino will hire your spouse as an athetic department staffer and take her on a lovely countryside motorcycle ride? I would, too.
Haha
No, unfortunately my wife won't go near a motorcycle. I've fought that fight. Something about no morals bs. Like chizik was a saint!
Tom O'Brien is also out at NC State
From CBS:
O'Brien compiled a 40-35 record in his six seasons as coach with a 22-26 mark in ACC play. This year, the Wolfpack finished 7-5 overall and 4-4 in conference games. They placed third in the Atlantic Division behind Florida State and Clemson.
O'Brien was quick to point out that the last three seasons of NC State football were among the winningest in program history, but the swift move from athletic director Debbie Yow suggests the Wolfpack want to be competing for ACC championships.
That seems unlikely, unless the ACC is gutted further...
He
He is an offensive guy, but he is an old man.
THIS IS MICHIGAN
Easy with the personal
Easy with the personal attacks.
Except for the other thing. That hurts the most. But the lack of respect hurts the second most.
He is an offensive guy, but he is an old man.
Who are you talking about?
Tom O'Brien
Tom O'Brien
Hey, 64 is The New 44!
Especially for millionaire coaches!
Something tells me
Debbie Yow knows her football.
I'm sure she will bring in someone to right the ship asap.
but the swift move from athletic director Debbie Yow...
is an early candidate for the 2013 It's a Brilliant Idea to Fire Glen Mason Award.
Surprised
I would have thought the same thing, but looking at their other coaches, Amato and Dick Sheridan both had better records than O'Brien. Mike O'Cain was a little worse at 41-40 (O'Brien is 40-35) but this isn't a case of the guy getting axed being way better than the school's recent history a'la Mason.
The new guy may suck, but I still think Cal has the edge after firing their best coach (by far) since Pappy Waldorf was in Berkeley in the 1950's.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
Debbie Yow is a moron. She's
Debbie Yow is a moron. She's the AD that gutted Maryland with her terrible decisions. They were thrilled when she left for NCState. She's not capable. At all.
WHO CARES?!
WHO CARES?!
hmmm is he any good at calling offense?