That's a fine, reasonable move, but I'm shocked and horrified that this means that a college football coach (Chizik) was dishonest to a prized recruit (Derrick Green).
Gene Chizik out at Auburn (says Bruce Feldman)
hmmm is he any good at calling offense?
He is a Defensive coach.
Maybe Al Borges is a candidate for a replacement.
ABOUT DAMN TIME!!!
Go get Loeffler for QBs coach.
Navarre improved drastically when we first brought in Lefty as QB coach. He did a good job prepping a true freshman henne into a competent QB as soon as year one.
It would be great to have him work with Shane.
It's not going to happen though. Borges doesn't believe in QB coaches.
Is the issue that "Borges doesn't believe in QB coaches" or that we're at our NCAA-mandated limit and can't hire any additional assistants?
Perhaps the issue is that we don't need a QB coach:
But I don't think there is a huge difference between having one or not. My preferance would be to have one, but to claim it's idiotic not to or something along those lines goes to far. It's about equal to "I prefer a 4-3 to a 3-4", both can work, it's all preference and coaching style.
Anyway, Borges has specifically said that he won't hire a QB coach. He's made it clear he doesn't believe in that. NCAA mandate or not.
It's no secret that I don't like him as a coach, but in this case, I was just clarifying that Loeffler wouldn't happen with our OC.
OK, but the NCAA limit is an issue. If you hire a QB coach to work with Borges, some other assistant has to leave.
Not going to debate your opinion re: Loeffler's abilities as a coach. I think you'd find the UM community divided. Auburn fans probably aren't divided (http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/10/auburns-struggles-point-directly-to-o...) . It's a worthwhile discussion b/c I could see Hoke bringing him back on staff when he leaves with Chizik, though maybe not until 2014.
Some relevant statistics are in order. I couldn't find where "QB rating" was tracked during the Navarre years, but here's his career stats at UM sans QB rating. Also, here's what it looked like for Henne, Tebow (2009 only) and Brantley (2010 only). Also including numbers re: Temple Total Offense (2011) and Auburn Total Offense (2012).
John Navarre (2000-2003 -- Yardage and Completion% improvement. Big 10 Champs 2003, 10-3)
Chad Henne (2004- 2007 -- Yardage and Rating drop-off. Co-Big10 Champs 2004, 9-3. 0-4 against OSU.)
Tim Tebow (2009 only -- QB Rating drop-off)
John Brantley (2010 only -- QB Rating dropoff)
Temple Total Offense 2011: 63 out of 120
Auburn Total Offense 2012: 115 out of 120
Conclusion: Body of work is a mixed bag, IMO, but the trend doesn't appear to be a favorable one.
I agree. I don't understand the love affair some seem to have with Loeffler. I've heard there is some 'baggage' with him, as well.
It might have something to do with all the future NFL QBs he coached at Michigan. Sure, the cause-and-effect relationship in those situations isn't always clear, but he probably had something to do with their development. Seemed like a good guy, too ...
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Also, he was associated with the golden, pre-Rodriguez era at Michigan when the team ran a PRO-STYLE (!!!) offense and never lost any games.
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Aside: I'm curious about "baggage." Care to elaborate?
Loeffler has a good track record as a QB coach, but I think the jury's out on him as an OC. He had a very tough season this year at Auburn.
This does work in our favor but after yesterday, recruiting is one of the last things I want to hear about right now.
Don't you think that OSU's defensive line recruiting - and the break that we decided to take in recruiting offensive linemen - had just a little to do with yesterday's outcome?
Yes, that explains Michigan's total inability to run inside as well as difficult in pass protection.
No, that does not excuse Michigan's insistance on trying to run inside repeatedly, nor telegraphing whether it's a run or pass by whether Denard was in or not.
Normally you want to play to your strengths, not your opponents. When you minimize your strengths and maximize your opponent's, you can't really credit your opponent for your failure...
If we let up, who knows what might happen to the recruiting!
Whoever had Cam was going to win the championship that year, that's all Chizik had.
Eh I don't know about that. I can think of one coordinator who probably could've blown it.
Whoever bought Cam was going to win the championship that year, that's all Chizik had.
Wait so a guy who went 5-19 at Iowa State didn't work out at Auburn? What the hell is this world coming to?
Next thing you're gonna tell me is that a guy who went 17-20 at La Tech isn't going to be a raging success at Tennessee. The world is spinning off its axis.
Chizik told Green "We plan to be here next year" so I don't see how that was a lie.
What I h supposed to say. "Oh, I'm getting fired don't come here"
No, but how about something like "Hey I'm getting fired you should probably go to Michigan."
I can feel a stupid conversation developing here, but here's the quote from Green:
“They’re not going nowhere,” said four-star running back Derrick Green in an interview with Auburn Undercover. “They said, ‘We plan to be here.’ That’s what they told me. They plan to be here and they’re not going anywhere.”
Now I have no idea if "and they're not going anywhere" was part of what the coaches told Green or just what Green believes, but parsing language with these kinds of things is silly.
You took a quote from a recruit and used it to accuse a guy of being dishonest. A guy who would have no reason to be dishonest in this instance.
He said "not going nowhere." So they had to go somewhere.
"we're not going anywhere"
But so what? as someone already mentioned, what is the guy supposed to say?
Dave Brandon also barked out those famous words to a bunch of recruits a couple months before he fired Rich Rodriguez.
So people in college athletics are not Oracles... oh well.
Who will have a fit if Petrino gets hired...but wins matter
I hope Petrino gets hired. That would be hilarious.
But the wife is an auburn fan so I'll have to deal with that.
Are you worried Petrino will hire your spouse as an athetic department staffer and take her on a lovely countryside motorcycle ride? I would, too.
No, unfortunately my wife won't go near a motorcycle. I've fought that fight. Something about no morals bs. Like chizik was a saint!
O'Brien compiled a 40-35 record in his six seasons as coach with a 22-26 mark in ACC play. This year, the Wolfpack finished 7-5 overall and 4-4 in conference games. They placed third in the Atlantic Division behind Florida State and Clemson.
O'Brien was quick to point out that the last three seasons of NC State football were among the winningest in program history, but the swift move from athletic director Debbie Yow suggests the Wolfpack want to be competing for ACC championships.
That seems unlikely, unless the ACC is gutted further...
He is an offensive guy, but he is an old man.
Easy with the personal attacks.
Who are you talking about?
Especially for millionaire coaches!
Debbie Yow knows her football.
I'm sure she will bring in someone to right the ship asap.
is an early candidate for the 2013 It's a Brilliant Idea to Fire Glen Mason Award.
I would have thought the same thing, but looking at their other coaches, Amato and Dick Sheridan both had better records than O'Brien. Mike O'Cain was a little worse at 41-40 (O'Brien is 40-35) but this isn't a case of the guy getting axed being way better than the school's recent history a'la Mason.
The new guy may suck, but I still think Cal has the edge after firing their best coach (by far) since Pappy Waldorf was in Berkeley in the 1950's.
Debbie Yow is a moron. She's the AD that gutted Maryland with her terrible decisions. They were thrilled when she left for NCState. She's not capable. At all.
I live in ACC country and I'am fed up enough with talks about how there shit doesnt stink because they are such a powerhouse in basketball... a snarky reply wasnt necessary, but im still pouting over the loss yesterday.
Fact of the matter is that Maryland is a basketball school that had a great program 10 years ago. Williams won a N.C. in basketball... great, but he also declined a trip to the NIT the year before and was also arrested for driving under the influence (great guy)
Sure, Yow was most likely on a power trip with a few decisions, but she also hired Gottfried, who lead the wolfpack to the sweet 16 last year and have the ACC talking that they are the team to beat this year.
Most people were scratching their heads trying to figure out why Auburn hired him in the first place. So I wonder who's on the short list. Bobby Petrino?
Or does his wife disqualify him?
Ties to chizick probably disqualify him
Either Charlie Strong or James Franklin
Strong in Alabama? I highly doubt it, sadly.
If Mississippi will hire a black coach anyone can.
Very true however, it's unfortunately still a factor for many (not all).
Are you basing this on firsthand experience or just stereotypes about the South?
If I'm not mistaken, SEC teams have hired more black coaches than Big Ten teams have.
In the SEC: Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, A&M.
In the Big Ten: MSU and Northwestern are the only two who have hired black coaches.
So the SEC has one more.
Kentucky hired (and fired) Joker Phillips.
Ole Miss would like a word with you. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/07/ole-miss-rebels-ra...
The issue isn't whether there is more racism in the South, but whether Southern Universities are less likely to hire African-American coaches, because of racial discrimination.
But while we're at it, many African Americans will tell you that they find racial relations to be no better in the North; the racism is just more covert. Residential segregation, for instance, is at its greatest in the Northeast and Midwest.
Hopefully this further improves our chances with Green, now that the coaching staffs at two of his top schools are on their way out.
I actually doubt it. If they make a splashy hire like Charlie Strong, that may be more attractive for recruits than having Chizik return...
Chizik won just about every national coaching award there is, from the Broyles to the Bear Bryant award. Not saying I am surprised, or that, given the high probability that Auburn gets hammered by the NCAA in the near future, it's not warranted, but the guy has had some success.
He had success with players he didn't recruit and a QB he likely bought. This was after getting fired at Iowa State. It's an anomaly that he was ever hired by Auburn, his success at Auburn was hardly his doing, and was marred by multiple player arrests and the Cam Newton fiasco. He comes across as a complete fraud and is obviously not much of a football coach.
He was willing to look the other way. No other explanation for the hire.
Auburn AD: What have you done for me lately?
Chizik: I won the national title in 2010.
Auburn AD: I said LATELY! That was 2 years ago! You're fired!
It's pretty unbelievable that Auburn fell apart so badly after the National Championship in 2010. I mean they pulled in a bunch of great recruiting class's, just bad coaching I guess...
It's interesting to think about how quick the fall has been, but after 2010, I believe they lost a Heisman Trophy winner, an Outland Trophy winner, and 23 seniors, which would be a challenge for any team to replace. That being said, they were probably playing above their level at 8-5 in 2011. Now, two new coordinators and you see this regression (numbers are rank in conference):
|SEASON||Rushing Off.||Rushing Def.||Passing Off.||Passing Def.||Scoring Off.||Scoring Def.|
2011 can probably be explained by the talent of the 2010 leaving. I can only imagine that being 3-9, winless in the SEC and relatively unproductive (moreso each week, it seemed) on both sides of the football were just too much for Auburn. I wonder if even a few more wins might have spared Chizik another year...
I'm really surprised nobody has brought up Bob Diaco in any of the coaching replacement conversations yet, whether it be Auburn, Tennessee or Cal. I don't know that he's a main contender, but I would think his name would get thrown around.
How does Randy Edsall still have a job?
but it's not his fault (I presume) that all of his quarterbacks tore their ACLs this year. Maryland's dealt with unbelievable injury issues this year. Already in August, Testudo Times was saying that Maryland had angered the football gods...
Edsall did a great job at UConn, and he hasn't had very long at Maryland. Also, Maryland has suffered a ton of injuries this year at the most important position on the field.
Every time a coach doesn't have great success in his first or second year, you can't keep on firing guys. Hell, lots of people wanted Rich Rodriguez to have a fourth year to get things going at Michigan, and you want Edsall gone after two...
People were calling for Kelly's head after last season. And now they are in the national championship game. All coaches need some time to rebuild whatever smoking crater got the last coach fired.
*This statement not applicable to coordinators or position coaches.
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He got fired too soon. I'd rather see him fired in later. I wouldn't be surprised if the new coach comes in and Derrick Green falls in love with HIM.
Clearly, Petrino's time has finally come on the Plains. Auburn has a job opening, Petrino is jobless. All that needs to happen here is for an AU booster to fire up the private jet. Then get Petrino a line-up of grad assistants to pick from and a new Harley. How can this not work out???
That's a turrible idea.
How is Taco Bell gonna make money off this?
Jim Tressel for Auburn Head Football Coach!
- Can win with players he didn't recruit
- Can win with players he paid for, fair and square
- Has won a BCS Championship
- Will look the other way when boosters get a little too close to the program
- Will guarantee his teams have the best tattoos in college football
If either Charlie Strong or Butch Jones trade up to an ACC or SEC job, it would not be unreasonable for Pat Narduzzi to get a head coaching job. The guy is a really good D coordinator and he is ready. As a Michigan fan, this would be great for us if it happened.
Y U NO ALL IN, AUBURN FAMILY?
Hopefully this means green will be coming to michigan
Hopefully this means green will be coming to michigan
...that there are players who were on the field in that loss yesterday who have National Championship rings. For a program like that to regress so badly so QUICK...defies all rationality. It took Michigan ten years from winning the MNC to lose to App State (and they were still able to beat Tim Tebow and Urban Meyer in a bowl game at the end of that).
Auburn went 0-for-the ESS EEE SEE this year and are under investigation (again). Staggering,
I don't think your last paragraph is true. Auburn fans have significant expectations - especially with their in-state rival being so good.
Auburn has always been a school where expectations significantly outweighed reality... they didn't settle for 8-4 seasons when 8-4 was all they'd ever known, now actually been to the top of the mountain they will never settle again
I think this just goes to show how strong the talent in the SEC is. a great class every year doesn't mean wins in the SEC. For every great Auburn class, someone in the SEC had a better one.
After watching yesterday's game I'm hoping Kozan and Diamond decide to transfer
And in 2-3 years, expect that MNC to be removed as well. Chizik may well not even exist in Auburn's official records soon enough.
4 wins and 6 losses.
I think we can do better.
His talent evaluation and character criteria for recruits are questionable, but he can sell ice to Eskimos.
For all the rumors & animosity in Aub, Derrick seemed to believe his rosy outlook.
Hope the B1G is not his DC gig because he will win the recruiting battles.
I wish the powers that be at Michigan were equally capable of making obviously beneficial decisions in such short order.
Because knee jerk reactions during a transitional stage make complete sense.
Borges' largely unremarkable career spans three decades. Knee jerk? Not exactly.
Preemptive reminder: position does not prove competence.
Recruits that fit are coming.. there is a plan that's being followed. The leader of the team chose him to carry out the plan. The pieces have not been in place, but are getting there. Changing now would be knee jerk.
It's amusing to me when coaches write books after one successful season (Chizik and Ty Willingham immediately come to mind)
Kris Frost, Alex Kozan, and Jordan Diamond are not getting what they expected with the war eagle. This is a pretty interestng and unique downfall and fire.