I never heard this before. If it is even close to being true, Miles is a bigger dirtball than I already believed him to be.
Gary Moeller. Undervalued? Easily forgotten? Overrated?
What sort of alternate universe are you living in? LC has as many national championships as Steve Spurrier does, and was a hair away from playing in another one. Both of which place him ahead of Bo Schembechler in that respect.
Does this mean that Bo never took us to the next level?
Carr's teams won outright or shared six Big Ten Titles. Fritz Crisler's teams won exactly one. Are you going to say that Crisler never took us to the next level?
There's 1 sentence for you.
Wasn't this when the tiff with Les Miles occured also which led to him not being strongly considered to replace Lloyd?
for a longer time than he did. It's really unfortunate what happened how things turned out. I really believe if he was the coach for a longer time - he would have become one of Michigan's best coaches
Man, I remember the good old days, when Michigan Men grew on trees.
I put "overrated" it in there because I didn't want to sound like I was slanted towards calling him a Greek god or something. I thought he was a really good coach and could have coached Michigan well into this century. But I knew he wasn't perfect. So I wanted to see who or how someone could call him overrated or what issues they'd have with him. Maybe I had more rosey picture of him that was reality. So that's why I put it there.
But I think the man deserves his day in the sun.
It's a common misconception that Moeller was fired. But he actually resigned after refusing to accept Joe Roberson's offer of a one year's leave of absence to "sort out his problems."
Bo heard about Moeller's arrest at first over the radio while he was packing to leave for a fishing trip in Mexico. After several failed attempts to reach Moeller by phone, Bo left a voice-mail telling Mo where he could be reached and to call him any time. He ended the message by saying, "Don't do anything until you talk to me." Moeller never returned his calls. Once Bo was down in Mexico, he got a copy of the USA today covering the Moeller drama and Roberson was quoted as saying the incident wouldn't cost Gary his job. At that point, Bo stopped worrying about the issue and forgot about it. But once he got back to Ann Arbor, he found out Moeller had resigned. By then, there was nothing he could do.
Things might have been very different had Bo not been on vacation at the time. Even our rival coaches (George Perles at MSU and John Cooper at OSU) thought Moeller got a raw deal and went on record saying so.
Thank you for starting this thread. I was actually kind of thinking about Moeller's tenure at Michigan the other day and wondering what would have been if he had been able to keep his job. Moeller's teams were the first Michigan teams that I really have memories of. The 1991 ND game in particular was amazing. I still remember exactly where I was when Desmond got tripped against MSU. I loved watching Elvis Garbac and Todd Collins. Those Michigan teams were really stocked with a lot of talent. I am not sure how long Moeller would have been at Michigan or how he would have adapted, but it is still nice to look back at his teams and be able to remember some of the great games.
Lloyd had been around the program, and actually was tighter with McCartney as the in. He actually was with West Virginia a few months and didn't come to Michigan with Moeller directly.
And Roberson was just an administrator. He wasn't doing anything the President wasn't telling him to do.
I would like to throw something out there that I haven't seen said.
I was pretty young at the time, but one of my earlier memories of Coach Mo was either 1992 or 1993. Coach Moeller and the other coaches were on the sidelines of the game and the camera kept zooming in on shots of their watch faces with the number 5 on the glass of the face signifying 5 consecutive Big Ten champions. I don't remember if it was '92 and they were going for number 5, or if it was '93 and they were showing that they wanted to defend the 5 championships.
And Coach Moeller was the coach for the last 3 of those 5 straight. Haven't seen anything like that since Moeller's been gone, and like many have mentioned, those years gave us some awesome memories.
If Gary Moeller had been able to keep himself out of trouble, there may never have been a Lloyd as head coach. I'm too young to remember anything but the tail end of the Bo era, and while Moeller had a couple mediocre years, he always took care of business against OSU. He is way undervalued and it's not even close.
Bo always had high praise for his former assistants, but he may have considered Moeller the greatest of all. He served as both his defensive coordinator (on the great '85 defense, no less) and offensive coordinator ('87-'89). It was an easy decision for Bo to name Mo as his successor.
Mo was a very innovative offensive coach. He introduced the no-huddle to Michigan, and was so effective with his mass, situational substitutions that the Big Ten had to create a "too many men in the huddle" penalty because defenses couldn't keep up. And of course, he recruited the bulk of the 1997 national title team (including Mr. Woodson). He holds a fine place in our football history.
What I remember best was how Mo would get really fired up during the game, especially screaming at the refs when he didn't like a call... he'd freak out even more than Bo. Sometimes it seemed like he was so busy screaming that he'd forget that he needed to do something else, like send in the plays.
Mo was the best coach the Lions ever had. I remember thinking the day they didn't retain him that it was a huge mistake. The Lions are still bad.
Some classic games from the Moeller years...
In case anyone cares, that's me holding Coach Moeller's cords in the 1994 videos.
High, tight coil level.
Flexibility in maintaining your cord slack.
Good closing speed to arrive at Coach Moeller's side before he starts bellowing for you.
Can't wait for Brian's full UFR breakdown to see where you grade out.
I was a freshman in '73 when we went undefeated and tied OSU 10-10. Bo was a great regular season coach but was dreadful in bowl games. As a result almost every year ended with a loss and a sour taste. My feelings were that there was a lot of relief when Bo retired and Mo was given a chance.
Does any one else believe, as I do, that there was zero tolerance for Mo's ugly behavior as a result of Woody's punching the Clemson player? It only takes one incident if it is bad enough.
As someone born in the late 80's, I didn't know much about Moeller. I've been a fan of UM my whole life but didn't really start paying close attention until my junior year (04) of high school school and by that point there wasn't much talk of Moeller. All I knew about his "firing" was from my dad telling me that the coach of the Lions had been the coach at Michigan and had been fired for some type of public drunkeness incident. Thank you to everyone that added something to this thread because I really learned a lot of stuff that I had no idea about. At the same time, I hate all of you for informing me of how awesome of a coach Moeller was and how much success he could have had.