How awesome would it be if we beat Bama?
Gary Danielson says Michigan will be overrated in '12
No really i wanna know. Well you know what god bless 'em because we WILL beat Bama. This is Michigan!...FERGODSAKES!!!!!
You've been overrated for years...
This just in, Gary Danielson urges all SEC programs to drink more pineapple juice and avoid asparagus, for reasons unknown...
I think you're insinuating that the dude drinks something
hahaha. well done sir
Go to google and type in "drink pineapple juice and avoid asparagus".
"I think this is a team that is going to travel to Nebraska next year, to Ohio State, which is going to have Urban Meyer as their head coach." I bet that going forward OSU will be the only team that could compete with his beloved SEC
Well, if anyone would know about being overrated, it would be Gary Danielson
I'm embarrassed that he's an alumnus of my high school. I don't care if he won us a state championship during his time...he's a douche.
perfect sense. Obviously Bo didnt think he was any good so Bo passed on him. Gary was forced to play for second-rate Purdue. This anger is quite common. There are many, many players (and students for that matter) that wanted to come to Michigan but got turned down. It is an anger that is carried for a lifetime. See Lil Bro.
You're really no better with your SUPERIORITY complex than anyone with an inferiority. You take every chance to post 'lil bro' that you can, even on a thread like this that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Sparty. That's the kind of slackjawing that makes people hate this program. Let it go already...
... a slap coming from this direction.
To summarize, here are the three possible effects this column will have on a “rater” of football teams:
- Rater will hear Danielson’s comments, agree, and stop overrating Michigan.
- Rater will hear Danielson’s comments, disagree, and continue to overrate Michigan.
- Rater will not hear Danielson’s comments.
And here are the corresponding possible outcomes as they relate to Danielson:
- Danielson’s prediction is incorrect.
- Listeners consider Danielson’s opinion invalid.
- Danielson's target audience does not listen to him.
Conclusion: Do not predict to a national audience that a team “will be overrated.” This can only make you look silly. Instead, hypothesize that they are “currently overrated,” or predict that they will “lose some games.”
Everyone's saying the schedule will be tougher, and that important players are graduating, both of which are obvious. He's saying nothing new.
I don't necessarily think he's bashing Michigan.
Depth as well. We look good on paper next year, but one or two injuries on either line and we'll likely tail off. We're basically a couple ACL issues away from starting true freshman on the lines and that is never good.
Those folks will also be shocked when senior 3* DT absolutely mauls a freshman guard. Solely because the DT has 4 years worth of physical (and techinque) development the 18 year old guard lacks. I can't do much more them.
Using a true freshman for platooning isn't the end of the world, but when he's a starter the other team is going after him all day and bad things tend to happen.
Did you miss the part about injuries? The issue is not ready to play. The issue is no depth. A couple of ACLs go out and we're either sticking out walkons or true freshmen out, because everyone who is ready to play is injured.
If Molk does down in Week 4 instead of 10 minutes before the Sugar Bowl, this season is a lot different. We also had more quality depth this year in the sense that we had a non freshmen backup tackle. Next year the only two true (non freshman) tackles on the roster are Lewan and Schofield. Depth this year was bad, depth next year is worse.
I see plenty of reason for concern if a tackle goes down. Mealer also has not looked very good as a guard, so if we lose a guard we're in trouble. Note how when we lost Barnum we slipped Schofield (a sophmore in) instead of Mealer (a junior). Basically this year we had one solid backup (Schofield), next year we have to hope Bryant or Mealer is a stud backup if a tackle goes down or send out a true freshman.
I agree with you in the sense that it is somewhat concerning, but I also don't really think it's going to be an issue. Kalis is considered to be college-ready and he can backup the guards if need be. Pretty much every OL recruit we have this year played OT in high school. If one of the other four or five recruits steps up, we have a backup. Now, if Lewan gets seriously injured, we're fucked six ways to sunday no matter who the backup is, just like Molk going down this year.
True, but he's still a d-bag that deserves to be bashed.
Fvck Gary Danielson. Go Blue.
He has a serious issue, needs to seek professional help and only a proctologist will do.
and gary has proven himself to be an a-hole.
He said the spread was dead too. Why are we posting his opinion?
He could be right. I could easliy see us being ranked in the top 5 in the preseason polls, which would be overrating us IMO.
I think top 10-15 would still be overrating us. We're losing our two best players and our schedule is much more difficult. He's a douche, but this isn't anything analogous to something as egregious as the "spread is dead" meme.
Right, right.. so 'top 3'. Point is, Martin and Molk will not be easily replaced. I'm not optimistic about the defense next year.
Someone will step up unexpectedly and be all world, but probably not to the extent we need for improved D-line play. We were very lucky this year in that the injury bug that normally plagues us left us very much alone. To go another year without at least one major injury would surprise me. I would love us to parallel what we did this year but won't be surprised if we don't.
at the end of the year? That's what preseason rankings are trying to get at.
Losing MM, RVB, Molk and Jr. will hurt. But we lose fewer starters than most of the teams we play. And everyone returning will have another full year in the system. Bolden and Pipkens will shore up the defense.
I see Michigan going 10-3, finishing around #12. And I agree with Danielson that it won't mean we took a step back.
I'm just cautious about the hype. The defense was porous when Martin would take breathers and I'm a bit skeptical that a true freshman DT could help to solidify a defense. Come to think of it, when was the last time any true freshman DT had an impact in the Big Ten?
I think top 10-15 would still be overrating us. We're losing our two best players and our schedule is much more difficult. He's a douche, but this isn't anything analogous to something as egregious as the "spread is dead" meme.
Um....exactly what part of his comments do you guys disagree with:
"They won that bowl game, they won 11 games, everybody is excited, everybody believes Big Blue is back," he says in the video. "I think there are still a lot of holes on defense. I think this is a team that is going to travel to Nebraska next year, to Ohio State, which is going to have Urban Meyer as their head coach."
We will have holes on Defense and our schedule is brutal. I'm certainly no Danielson fan but lets not shoot the messanger here guys......
3 things stick out without even thinking about it much:
1. He called us Big Blue. Fail #1.
2. Travel at Nebraska, a team we blew out by 28 points that lost its 3 best defensive players? "Brutal." Fail #2.
3. Travel to OSU which was 6-7, lost 6 offensive starters. Returns the defense we scored 40 on. "Brutal." Fail #3.
Didn't even click the link. Dude is clueless.
Playing them in Lincoln will be very different than playing them in Ann Arbor. I know they lost to NW there, but that was a let-down game for the Huskers IMO. They won't have a let-down against Michigan (or Kentucky if they're playing "Big Blue").
that you do not understand the Big Ten.
1) Big Blue is a name that outsiders call us. We may not like it but I have heard it before. Maybe you are only 22 and have not been out of your town but Big Blue is a commonly used name for us. You are probably not a student/alum so I forgive you. It is a term of endearment by those fans that do not follow us on a daily basis. FAIL
2) Have you ever been to a game in Lincoln? Do you know what type of crowd they bring in? Nebraska will probably be our Number 2 rival once things get going. So you need to gather knowledge before you underestimate Nebraska. Fail
3) This is the point where you must be 10 years old. Do you know why they call it the "GAME"? Do you know how many times in the series that the under dog has won the game? Maybe you dont know this but there was a game in November 1969. ohio had the number 1 team in the country, some still say today that it was best NCAAFB team ever assembled.
There was this little fellow named Glenn who was the coach of the underdogs. That team did not have a chance to win. However, this little known coach fired up his team with a wonderful speech. Some say the players were crying. This no name coach named Glenn was known for firing up his team. He gave one of the memorable speeches in 1983. Obviously you have never heard of it. It is called The Team, The Team, The Team. You sir, are what we dont need. We can NEVER take ohio for granted. We must always respect them (although we can still hate them).
Oh and did I mention that ohio hired a new coach? This new coach may or may not know what he is doing depending on who you talk to. The new coach reminds me so much of that other new coach in 1969. Triple FAIL
All that I ask is that you please understand the Big Ten and its history before you embarrass yourself anymore.
I disagree with the use of "Big Blue". It's not being a blind optimist to say that we could win the same amount of games next year. Everyone expected 8-9 wins this season.
Granted, his simplistic and unoriginal assessment of Michigan's prospects next season may be accurate. However, since he is a CBS sports analyst, who never does Big 10 games, I don't know why he's giving his opinion at all. All I hear is a CBS sports guy, who has a vested interest in marketing the SEC as the premier college football conference, running down a Big 10 program that looks to be highly ranked preseason. He should just go back to telling us how great Alabama is going to be in 2012 and shut his yap about programs he knows little about.
The SEC is way overrated. Did you hear how their conference champion got shut out on their bowl game this year?
I really hate the argument of "Team X is overrated or should be ranked lower because look at how tough their schedule is."
How does a team's schedule matter in how good the team is? Would our team be better next year if we played different teams?
Ultimately, wins and losses drive the perception of how good you are. Michigan fans can look at the Iowa game, and see how close they came to winning, but in the record books it goes down as a loss. Wisconsin was 2 plays away from an undefeated regular season, but in the rankings they looked like any other 2-loss team.
So in that respect, Danielson is entirely correct. It will be harder for Michigan to go 11-2 again, and to most people, anything less than that will seem like a step backward.
Well, it might have helped Wisconsin if they played a non-conference schedule. So, I'd say strength of schedule actually played a role there.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves in college sports. Worse, I think some voters drop teams with tough schedules in their early rankings (since they figure they'll finish with some losses). That means those teams get hit twice - worse initial rankings and a harder schedule once the season begins.
I have no idea where to rank Michigan going into next season.
I think we'll end up with a top 10 ranking because of our opening day match-up and I'm not sure if it isn't deserved.
We were 11-2 this year and we return a lot of guys who have multiple seasons of experience. For the first time in a long time we have a full idea of who are QB/RB combo is. Our linebackers/secondary are finally deep and experienced. We have some significant losses (DL, TE, Hemingway), but the latter of those two should be replaceable and improvements in other areas of the defense should offset the loss of RVB and MM.
If a preseason ranking is where you think a team will end up, I think Michigan could make its way back into the top 10 again.
Beat Alabama and it could be a very special year.
If I were suspicious or just plain paranoid, I'd be convinced that every time I hear ESPN/Mediocre QB, it is going to be another SECFest.
Because of the camerawork on the piece, it was impossible to tell if the kneepads Danielson was wearing at the time have "SEC" written on them with a Sharpie, which is what I've heard is the case.
Well I heard that urbanachiever says Gary Danielson will be overrated in 2012
Gary Danielson has sex with antelopes.
That said, I don't take too much offense to what he said about U-M.
Trust me when I say there is no one on the board that is more hopeful of being wrong but when i see Alabama, @ ND, @ Nebraska, @ OSU and home for Air Force, MSU & Iowa I have difficult time envisioning 5-2 against that gauntlet while being undefeated in every other game plus our bowl AND maybe the Big10 Championship game.
Like I said i hope I'm wrong but man that is the mother of all killer schedules.
and the backup QB. You can take them off your "worry" list. Otherwise I agree with you about a tough schedule.
You want to talk about a really tough schedule -- look at ND next year. I think they were very smart getting Kelly that extension because the record in South Bend could be ugly - and the grumbling from Domers could start early.
ND still doesn't have a QB and just lost their best Offensive weapon. True, South Bend is still South Bend, but I wouldn't put them as a brutal opponent. Tough? Yes. But brutal? No
if I got hurt everytime Danielson, Dodd, Doyel or Rosenberg said something that makes them look like an idiot I'd be stealing Rx pads from my physician. I know this is what gets digested by the unwashed masses but c'est la vie.
Danielson is an unapologetic SECophile. We know this, so lets not let his promulagations of SEC dominance and weak B1G get our panties in a bunch. We do have a tough schedule next year, but we will be a better football team at ~17 of 22 positions (barring injuries). Right now I'd call it a push.
Of course he thinks we'll be overrated, we don't play in the SEC. If he could have it his way, the change in the system would just be that the SEC gets all of the auto-bids to play in BCS games. Also, disqualification for use of that gimmicky "spread."
to repeat what his wife says to him.
Good for Gary Danielson.
And also, I blame Danielson's ignorance on his high school education. And yes, that is a direct jab at any Dearborn Divine Child graduates ;)
Michigan State will be overrated going into next season.
We're showing up in lots of early top tens. Seems pretty high for a team that: (1) played eight games at home, and lost its only two real road challenges; (2) had a schedule that started pretty easy to allow the team to get a rythm; and (3) loses some very key players/team leaders. That said, Nebraska should not be a causse of significant worry -- they lose a lot of guys and Martinez has hit his (relatively low) ceiling. And, I think the pundits are way overrating Sparty in light of the significant losses on offense and the key loss on defense. B10 is not going to be much stronger than this year; even with a loss or two before the conference schedule, this team shoudl compete to make the B10 championship game against Wiscy.
with regard to State. I don't think they will be bad by any means, but they lose their starting QB, their three best receivers, and one of their co-starting running backs on offense. That is A LOt to replace. They unquestionably will have a good defense, but I don't see it being better than last year and I think some offensive struggles are inevtiable.
gary danielson says lots of things, none of them particularly informative or well-reasoned.
By downgrading Michigan, Danielson somewhat undermines the truth value of his statement simply by making it.
You're from fucking Purdue:
if im wrong but wasn't Danielson from Michigan? he was the qb at divine child.
Correct, but he played his college ball at Purdue.
"I think this is a team that is going to travel to Nebraska next year, to Ohio State, which is going to have Urban Meyer as their head coach."
Yes, Gary. That thing you think? It is correct.
It is also something one can google.
Hey, I'll let you guys know when I find out the last time I gave a shit what Gary Danielson thought.
If Robinson can progress with his decisions and execution in the passing game, Michigan will have a shot in all of the games. If the arm punt happens for any significant stretch against a team like Alabama it is going to take a few miracles similar to Sugar Bowl to see success.
I hate ND, but they will be improved as well, so it is vital that Robinson starts the year off similar to OSU and NE, and maybe even a bit sharper in throwing. Another season in the high teens in INTs I think would result in 9-3 or 8-4 easily. If Borges comments on his QBs holds true, it should be exciting to watch.
No doubt. Both of them always downgrade Michigan. Screw 'em. Who cares what they predict? Va. Tech didn't win the Sugar Bowl because Kirk said they would.
Get used to it. We are going to be a popular pick for underachieving due to the schedule. The fact that two of our wins were by a whisker in games where we were outplayed adds to it.
Good news is that many folks last summer thought our Nebraska -Ohio finish was going to be too much for Team 132....they were wrong.
The only questionable games on our schedule I see are: 'Bama, ND, Nebraska, MSU, and OSU. Out of those, I think we will take care of ND (their offense is a disaster and the D loses some key players) and I feel that we will beat MSU (@the Big House, they have to re-stock on defense and, more importantly, on offense). As for 'Bama, it depends on how their new starters play. They have to re-stock a lot of players both on the D and O, and given that the Michigan game will be their first game, even though they are 4/5 star recruits, they may be a bit green. Then again, these are pretty talented athletes who will have had a lot of practice. As for Nebraska, not sure about that one but the consensus from the masses is that we should win that one. As for OSU, I think we will beat them, even if it's at the shoe, and even if they have Meyer. They did not show me enough this year to convince me that they will miraculously go from a so-so team to a NC contender (like a lot of delusional Buckeyes tend to think) even though they have Meyer. Meyer can probably get them there but it ain't happening this coming season. I also do not think that Miller is the next Michael Vick. He had a decent game against Michigan but he still has a long way to go.
I can see us going 10-2, maybe even 11-1. I am expecting Fitz and Denard to have a big season (both have shown they are more than capable of putting up big numbers). I think our O-line will be fine. On the D, we do lose Van Bergen and Martin but I think other players will come in and step up. I don't expect a drop off for this team, not with the talent level and with the fantastic coaching staff that we have in Ann Arbor.
Every season there will be perceived depth issues and nay sayers claiming we're one or two injuries away from disaster. Michigan, just like many other programs, has several talented players on the roster just waiting for their opportunity to show what they can do. Not knowing who will step up and capitalize on their opportunity to play is the primary reason for most of this conjecture. I on the other hand love seeing new players emerge and fill the roles vacated by Seniors that graduated from the Greatest University in the World!
Just look at Team 132; Countess, J. Ryan, Beyer, D. Morgan, Gallon, Fitz, Heininger, T. Gordon, Gibbons (Prefers Brunettes, as do I), Wile, J. Black and F. Clark are great examples of players who were unknown quantities because of their lack of significant playing time but all stepped up at some point this year and help this team get 11 Wins.
Gary Danielson will be eating his words when we roll into Cowboy Stadium and Smash Alabama in the Face! Those who stay will be Champions!
There isn't a game on the 2012 schedule that Michigan cannot win.
I think the defense is going to be better than it was 2011. I think everyone is looking at it in the wrong way, and assuming that since Michigan is losing several guys on the DLine that there is going to be a significant let down. I actually think it's going to be the opposite. I think that although Hoke spoke about competition at every position, the younger guys were pretty certain that unless they started displaying "superhuman" abilities that they weren't going to usurp the senior leaders from their starting positions. I'm not saying they slacked off and didn't try, but I think their focus, and focus of the coaches, was the 2012 season and pefecting their technique and fundamentals. As the 2012 season comes near, these guys that were in "learning mode" are now going to be in competition mode, and that is going to raise the level of eveyone's game. Guys are going to be phyiscally stronger after the off season, and where Team 132's defense had a bit of a slow start due to the transition from GERG to Mattison, Team 133's defense will hit the ground running.
I think the defense is going to continue to surprise people, and if Borges' prediction holds true, and the offense -- especially the QB -- improves significantly from year 1 to year 2 in the system, I think Michigan is going to have a very good season.
Danielson is welcome to his opinion, I really could care less about what he says. He's an SEC analyist and doesn't have any indepth analysis about Michigan, he is just looking at superficial issues.
14-0, first Michigan team in history to win 14 games. Unbeaten regular season, winner of Big 10 championship game and winner of BCS National Championship Game. We will have enough talent to do it, if things go well, if Denard and Fitz continue to improve and if we avoid injuries. But, as long as the team plays as hard as it did this year and does as good of a job of representing our school, I will be proud of it regardless of the record. Hoke has character, Denard has character and every other player I saw on the field this season had character.
Michigan "the perennially over-rated Michigan Wolverines" whenever referencing Michigan in my presence. I think that MOST of the perennial powers get the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of most seasons, and that in the grand scheme this is undoubtedly unfair. But in Michigan's case, arguably, it benefits us more often than not.
We will need to prove we can put together a D line before anyone in the know takes us seriously next year, right? And Alabama will likely be running straight at us to test that hypothesis.
P.S. Ignore asshats like Danielson, if at all possible. What an obscure basis for an article anyway, right? Projecting something you're going to be based on something you're projected to be going to be? As Shakespeare might say: is that even a real question?
I'll never understand people that claim to be fans that disparage their own team and speak in definitives. To add to your annoying pessimistic prognotication, you throw in a nice does of "arm chair" coaching.
You're like the idiot who was sitting behind me at the Sugar Bowl that whined, "Borges doesn't know what he's doing..." after any play that didn't gain more than 5 yards. Fact is, neither you nor that annoying jackwagon that told me to sit down repeatedly know what the fuck you're talking about. Borges didn't "cost us at least 2 games." All any coach can do is come up with a game plan that he and his staff think gives his team the best chance to win against the opposition, and then make adjustments from there. You don't know the circumstances of why he and the staff chose to play the Iowa and MSU games the way that they did. You don't know who was dinged up, nor what they saw when they looked at the match-up while developing their plan. At some point it comes down to execution. I am sure you're one of those people that was furious with the 4th and Goal call vs. MSU. Well, if it were executed properly, as Borges drew it up and no doubt taught the players, Borges looks like a genius as the MSU defenders are in a heap watching Denard either trot into the endzone or throw and easy pass to a wide open receiver.
So many things DID NOT go our way this year -- had they, we could have gone undefeated. Both of the losses that you think Borges cost us could have easily gone the other way with a PI call here or a TD catch there. You're sounding a lot like the trolls that call Team 132's season "lucky". Losers speak of luck as a cause, while winners make their own luck.
Suck up your lame ass pessimism and be a Michigan Man for once!
Looking at our schedule where do you find 4 losses? Seriously! Alabama, and then who? Nebraska maybe? Possibly little bro. But I just dont see 4 losses. I am reluctant to give us 3 loses at this point y.
...any word begining with 'un',he pronounces it "on",as in, "Alabama is in an onbalanced line".....can't CBS afford a speech therapist? A minor point but #1 announcer pet peeve,#2 is use of the non-word 'irregardless"
Irregardless is in the dictionary, but I have no idea why. I think it sounds redundant and will never use it.
Michigan will be rated next year.
Michigan will not be in the SEC next year.
Therefore Michigan will be overrated next year.
Why is Danielson commenting about IBM in an article about Michigan?
This is the single greatest line you have ever typed.
Gary Danielson would be a Subject Matter Expert on being "overrated", so I suppose he would know, right? *gag*
He has been an SEC-obsessed derpmeister for years now, so whatever, Gary. He also seems to have a fascination for Verne Lundquist's ties, which brings his soundness into further question. There is not one quarter on CBS where he does not:
A) Drool over the SEC teams on the field
B) Look with lust at Verne's tie.
Is this really someone anyone should listen to?
Is probably right. Who cares? The guy is an idiot.
Also: Clemson? hahaha, who is going to keep them top 10-ish after that beatdown to WVU?