without a commitment. Garnett and Dunn need to commit to fulfill my recruiting needs. I wouldn't mind Diggs, Darboh, and Wright either. Hint, hint...
Garnett - Michigan in Top Two
Haven't seen that here....
Sorry to hassle everyone with this as I know it has probably been said before a lot, but it's hard to keep track of all of this but when do each of these guys plan on announcing?
For 5 stars
I hope he brings McNamara with him. Need MOAR Olinemen. Need MOAR Tight Ends.
So who's his second pick?
this season was awesome in displaying the best of Michigan to a group of 18 year olds who knew first hand nothing but the Tressel domination and the Rodriguez fiasco. Mix in Hoke and Mattison's recruiting prowess with a 10-2 season and a virtual Michigan family love in, and you have the makings of a great recruiting class. It also doesn't hurt that Ohio has been shown to have a history of skirting the rules, Penn State harbored an apparent pedophile, and Brian Kelly turns purple screaming at his recruits when they screw something up (while Hoke tells his punter the law of averages means he'll drop a snap every 10,000 times, and don't worry he'll catch the next 9,999). Let a couple more 5 stars drop into our class, and we can start thinking about competing for a NC in 2013-2015.
I really liked that small sideline exchange that Hoke had with Hagerup as well, the short talk, the pat on the back. Then after the Defense forced them to try a field goal, the camera caught him doing a little fist pump for the fact he hadn't contributed to a touchdown. It was a cool moment in time, no over reaction by Hoke, team/player keeps a positive outlook.
I know Hoke would never do this, but I wish he would show recruits that sequence of events and compare it to how Brian Kelly reacts to things.
from some MGoBlogger who knows how to do such things.
Yes, that was totally awesome. Adversity often shows someone's real character, and Hoke's stands out compared to so many of his peers. You don't think Hagerup will give Hoke his all after that? I think he will.
Situations like that define coaches. I am so godamn proud to be a Michigan Alum when our head coach can use a moment like that to keep perspective and build his players up rather than turn beet-red and scream into his QB's face.... like a certain visor-wearing coach to the south-west of Ann Arbor.
I am a coach myself and I got really inspired by that series of events.
This is going to be a epic finish to the recruiting season. Hot Dog!
to irrelevance after this year. If distance is not a factor in his decision, I like our chances.
Just curious. Seems like the NCAA's rule change could benefit us with these cross country recruits.
Isn't Palo Alto (SF Bay area) still pretty far from Seattle, as in several hundred miles away? If distance is a factor, he shouldn't go to either school.
(Note to Garnett: Ignore my last sentence...don't let distance be a factor, please.)
Seattle is about a 2.5 hour flight from the Bay Area. Not to mention that Stanford plays Washington every year. Seattle is also driving to distance to Pullman, Corvalis and Eugene so the family can see games in person without hopping on a plane.
Garnett, Dunn, Diggs, Darboh, and Wright...
These guys rounding out the 2012 class would have to give us the #1 class in the country.
not hearing much about him lately
Payton isn't coming to UM. The afterglow of his Under The Lights visit has faded and he will likely stay out on the West Coast.
He didn't commit here because while at ND got the info on their WR commit opening. May be rethinking after the Stanford domination.
I am still hoping for fallout leaving Noah Spence in our laps. (w/ Garnett, Dunn, Diggs, Darboh and/or Yright/Reeves/Brown)
He's far from a longshot. That's his high school coach's rule, no visits during the season, and it goes for all his players - they have three top recruits on that team. Yuri Wright is still very high on Michigan, and I am sure he'll visit as soon as he can. I still like our chances with him.
Also, Michigan is now the #2 class in the nation to Rivals after Kalis got his 5th star. We were 3rd but we jumped Alabama. Should be a very interesting finish depending on who we end up with.
We actually jumped FSU (because they dropped) -- they had 3 5* and dropped to 2 5* with the rerank. We gained a 5* by Kalis being reranked up.
Since Rivals truncates at 20, we have a legit shot at catching up to Texas if we land more 4* (and/or 5*) in the class.
I think that this is the definition of an illegal post. I am an insider as well and this is totally pay walled. Its not like this was a teaser header on twitter. I am all for sharing info, but this is cheating our old friend TomVH.
Just curious, what is the difference between this and buying a newspaper, then telling everyone you know what was in it?
The difference is that the terms that you have to agree to when signing up say that you will not post any information that is paywalled on espn to another website.
Oh, you mean that stupid little document with the "I have read the terms and conditions" button at the bottom? Huh, you learn something new every day.
i bet you still pay for music don't you?
not information. Whether he should or shouldn't share is the real problem. This is more of a moral question than anything else, I think.
There is a reason why I provided a link and stated the information was from TomVH. If people are really interested in this type of information, they will click the link, pay to become an insider and everyone is happy. I could see your comment being appropriate, had I not stated my source and provided a link.
If you had mentioned that Tom is writing a blog post that is available on insider later then maybe i'd believe that you were advertising for them, but you gave ALL the information he gave in the forum post, so I think that you went too far with that.
Keep in mind i'm just some random person on the internet, and we are each entitled to our own opinion on this.
So if I have a scout or rivals account I could post every piece of info as long as I put up a link to the site? Honest question. It just seems wrong to me.
I don't think that is how it works. I just pointed out the main point of the article that will be posted later. If I took a 4 paragraph post from Tom and copied all of the content and placed it here, then I would be in violation. In the article Tom may provide Garnett's basis, visit dates, overall impressions, etc. All I am stating is we are in his top 2. If Mods deem this action as unfit, please delete.
I already read it and it can't be deleted from my mind
People posting on the board for half a month should not be policing it. MGoBlog has better mods and a better user-moderated community than any other site I frequent. Leave it alone.
That is my policy.
Whats wrong with them stating that all pertinent info was stolen from Tom. No matter how long they have been on the site, that opinion is valid
The policy of putting a link down after you report all info is idiotic. Who is going to sign up for that info if people are taking it and putting all pertinent info on free forums almost immediately after Tom published it?
Well, it sounds like these pay sites should change their business plan if it's that much of a problem.
Maybe true, but for a member of more than a month, you sure don't seem to give a damn about Tom and his site. Lets just wait some before publishing their info
I love me some TomVH as much as the next guy, and I appreciate his work, but it's kind of hypocritical of everyone to suddenly care about posting paywalled info once he left for ESPN. It has been done hundreds of times here without so much of a peep from anyone.
Hell, Tim did it all the time in his recruiting update posts. I doubt they care. Officially, yes, but unofficially? Forget about it.
Everything that was posted looked to be what was Posted on Twitter, plus a link to the site if you want to pay to read the whole article. I do not see the issue with posting information that is already public.
And even if it is, you really shouldn't post written content...but the idea of the content is fair use. Copying the paragraphs and articles may be dicey, but saying "so and so said" isn't protected information.
the thing is I really don't think tom cares, I mean he worked at this site for years and I'm sure he wants us to have as much knowledge as possible. It isnt like espn is going to go bankrupt if they don't have people signing up for insider info on U of M, and he probably isnt going to get paid more for having more people sign up for insider info, ESPN knows how the internet works
"Arrrgh me no understand interwebs. This is stealing bleep bloop." I disagree, most people on the board disagree, the fearless leader of this website disagrees.
Sometimes if you look around and realize you're the only one, that doesn't mean you're the only one doing what is right. Sometimes it means you're wrong. That's why I said people signed up for 2 weeks shouldn't be policing the board.
I agree with your comments that we have better mods and policing community here, but how long he/she has been posting here is not relevant.
Someone who just begins posting here could have a much better moral compass than someone who's been posting since the beginning of mgoblog.
That's my policy.
This has nothing to do with moral compass and everything to do with the standard operating procedure for how to handle these recruiting links. Brian's policy on this is posted.
There really isn't any moral compass debate; you just follow the policy like the OP was doing. If the n00b has a problem with the policy, get enough points and start a meta thread talking about it.
I just don't think we need nagging posts about which the OP is following the applicable policy.
I do think it was within mgoblog policy. I didn't neg the guy. He only posted the gist, didn't c&p anything, but you're still wrong on two parts.
1. Morals do play a part in the debate. Regardless of mgoblog policy, is it morally right or wrong to post information which is paywalled? That's the whole question. Just because an action is within a website's policy doesn't mean you disregard what you know to be right or wrong.
2. Seniority is baseless; nothing more than a point of reference. According to you, if Brady Hoke signed up for mgoblog today, our opinions would matter more.
Do you really think that your opinion matters more than someone else just because you created an account before them???
I mean I've been reading the board for about 4 years now I just have never had the urge to post myself....
We value your opinion. Seniority has a lot of premise on these here internets where everything goes. Because here2 has not been here as long as you, he should bow before your opinion. Besides, stealing is ok as long as it is done semi-anonymously via the interwebz.
I get tired of people jumping on newer members (who actually do contribute something, which here2cwoodson does) simply for being new. It discourages long time readers from joining in the conversation. \
DON'T PRETEND LIKE YOU ARE BETTER THAN SOMEONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER. That is my policy.
Thanks for the caps, I wouldn't have been able to determine your tone. I don't think I'm better because I've been around longer but I do think it's better to let the mods deal with the policing the board instead of these comments calling people out for stealing.
Considering the 'stealing' occurred in the O-fucking-P, I think the mods will be able to catch this one if they feel it is stealing. I take back nothing from what I said earlier:
There's a practical reason for having points and it's not for measuring our e-peens.
the main competition. He was thought to be a Stanford lean for some time due to the education. Hopefully he liked the Big House atmosphere a little more than Stanford...
ESPN Insider was running a holiday special yesterday. 50% off a subscription. Only $19.99. I jumped all over it. Brought me back reading TomVH last night. Totally worth a 20 spot.
Ive got a subscription to Espn the Mag until like 2017 and you get insider for free with a subscription
You should have jumped on one of the magazine deal links that have been posted here several times over the past few months...I got mine for $4.99
But I think it'd actually be worth $15 to me to not have my mailbox stuffed with 24 over-sized magazines that I'll never read.
Seriously, why are they so randomly big? It's incredibly aggravating.
ESPN any money though...
When he got back from his Michigan visit Garnett was pretty hyped up about it. He got on twitter and hit up Tyler McNamara and said how great it was and that they needed to talk asap. And since we are also going after McNamara, it may be interesting where he goes with his last officail visit, if he goes to Michigan with it, do we see Garnett/McNamara together in Maize and Blue next year?
With Dunn, 2 WRs, Garnett, and Wright all extremely high on the coaches "want" list, Im not sure where McNamara would fit in. Would they take a committment from him right now? I would love to hear their desired top 5 remaining...
So what is our projected starting O-Line look like for next year?
Lewan - Barnum - Khoury - Omameh - Schofield ?
Starters should be fine. Depth could kill us.
Starters look great.
OT - Mealer
OG - Bryant (RS-Fr)
OG - Kalis (?) (Fr)
C - Miller (RS-Fr)
OT - Either a walk-on or a true frosh
Erik Gunderson should be in the mix. Plays right tackle, RS Junior next year.
Erik Gunderson should be in the mix. Plays right tackle, RS Junior next year.
Although that is a frightening 2-deep, we likely won't need a back-up at all 5 spots. Look at this year, Schofield was the back-up at 4 spots, essentially. If Mealer or Bryant or Kalis or someone else can play, he will likely back-up multiple spots, so we'd only be in real trouble if 2 guards or 2 tackles went down (which would be the case this year too).
I'm guessing Bryant will be a capable back-up at OG next fall and Miller will be able to back up Khoury. I wouldn't be surprised if Gunderson or Glasgow turn out to be capable back-ups at OT, with Mealer pushing as well.
Also - Jack Miller might be a bigger help than you think. If he's the back-up center and one of the guards goes down, I could see Miller going in and Khoury moving to vacated spot at guard.
Either way, we're not going to be a deep unit, but so long as we don't have too many injuries (knock on wood) we should be in good shape.
Is Ganrett projected to play tackle or guard?
lame...i think he is all buckeye, came to the M game in buckeye gear and now this.
To be fair, he is currently committed to the Buckeyes....
He actually wore a plaid shirt with a navy blue jacket. nothing with osu. check your facts.
He actually wore a plaid shirt with a navy blue jacket. nothing with osu. check your facts.
Just read the article. I'm thinking OSU lean at this point....
As long as he's impressed like Kalis was impressed with Fickell...
But seriously, I think it's possible to flip him, but he's been saying the whole time he's going to Ohio unless bad shit happens. I think he really wants to be a buckeye.
If we do only have 5 spots left. What people generally feel about macnamara instead of wright. With all of the db's we already have. It might help out chances with Garnett if he were to come instead. That is assuming Dunn and 2 receivers come of course.
I get what you are saying about having a better chance with Garnett if Macnamara commits to UM, but I think Yuri Wright would benefit us more in the long run. He is one of the best DBs in the class, and look at the impact that Countess had this season. Wright is bigger and faster than Blake. Could you imagine that secondary in a couple of years, not to mention the plethera of other DBs on the roster. Defense is the foundation of winning championships, and dont get me wrong, Id love a monster TE, I just think Wright would be more beneificial.
Id love to close out the class with Wright, Diggs, Dunn, Darboh, Garnett and/or Macnamara
I would take McNamara over Wright.
McNamara is going to be a beast. With Funchess and McNamara we could literally be the New England Patriots offense. McNamara will be alot like Gronkowski, super athletic, big bodied, not afraid to block, can catch anything, where as Funchess is like Hernandez, meaning super athletic pass catching machine. And with AJ Williams to play as an extra OL in the jumbo set, man just think about the mismatches against LBs.
Turn into the patriots, won't our teams games have to be played in foxborro? I sure hope not :(
I also hope we have a defense.
becuase CB is just a more important position, especially in today's pass happy game.
Not meaning to thread-jack, but wasn't Jordan Diamond supposed to be on an OV for the OSU game? Haven't seen a bit of info regarding this and/or reaction from him.
I would probably consider him more of a longshot -- maybe OSU will lead now with Meyer? - and we may want others more but I found it strange that nothing has been mentioned.
If Dunn commits to us, great, but if not we've got Fitz, Rawls, and Johnson already on the team or committed. OLs, DBs, and WRs are more critical in terms of need.
I think our two most important targets are Diggs and Wright.
but I don't see Wright being that important. We'll have Floyd, Countess, Avery, Taylor, Hollowell, Talbott (who granted looks to be a career non-contributer unless he was hurt this year), Richardson and Standifer at corner next year and only Floyd will be a senior. Now granted we don't know much yet about most of those guys but it seems to me that unless Wright is a complete stud (and I know his rankings say he may be but I'm not convinced), we don't have an urgent need for another corner.
On the flip side, the depth at OL is awful, we desparately need WRs, TE is a problem and RB is too. I would like to see 2 WRs (at least), a RB, a TE and an OL fill out the class.
I think that Houma is one of the most underrated kids we have. Take a look at his highlight tape on youtube. He out runs everybody and runs over everybody. I think he could be great.
He really lowers himself when contact is coming, which enable him to break tackles and dish out punishment. The fact that he was consistently outrunning entire defenses is added gravy. Pretty quick feet, too.
but in his highlights he reminds me of Mike Hart a lot. I know he is quite a bit bigger, but he runs low, hits the hole hard (maybe not as good of vision), accelarates North and South, and keeps his feet moving. I'd love to see some triple option run with him, Denard, and Fitz.
Don't reall care about Dunn, I'd rather take another OL or WR but thats just me, i think they can coach up Drake to hold onto the ball and put some muscle on him after a redshirt . you can't teach speed.
we all know the success stories of lesser recruits but at this point you have to at least assume that Drake is a project.
But teaching size can be tricky as well.
He's ready made for B1G play,and with that being said,why'd not take some of the load off of Fritz while keeping fresher legs for later in the season? Also lets not forget about Hayes and Rawls who also will have a chance to contribute next season...
when is the game?
I think it's at noon.
One of my problems with the recruiting rankings it all seems to be based on potential and physcial ability. Which player counts more points to a class? A three star recruit who has a 90% chance of reaching their potential or a five star recruit that has a 30% chance? On paper we all get excited about the 5 star recruit. Yet the three star recruit is most likely going to be more useful to the team.
I really wish that the recruiting agencies made some kind of attempt to rate football IQ, even if it is understood it is going to have some error. I would be happy with low, medium, high. Then I could review classes and ask who has a solid class of "football" players and which program is just stocking up on super atheletes who are a little short on football skills.
I could always review the individual scouting reports. But that is the entire point agencies generate a number in the first place. Too much of it seems based on the physcial ability and not enough towards technique. On paper we gush about William Campbell and Mike Hart is an afterthought.
A few more variables might give us a better way to compare classes and predict which ones will be more succesful. I recall the great fanfare of the 93, 98 and 05 classes and all of them pretty much underperformed and in some cases bombed. If we had looked behind the numbers we may have been able to predict that those classes had problems.
In summary it is nice to see that the ratings agencies give the class high marks so far. But I take these numbers with a grain of salt because of the high variability. It gives me a barameter of potential upside if all works out. But what is the average expectation?
The other factor with Dunn is that he would be a loss to Ohio. To the best of my knowledge, Ohio is not competing for Wright, Darboh, Garnett, McNamara, or Diggs. And Dunn has already verballed to Ohio. To pull a 4 star away from Ohio leaves more of a hole there. Also, given the treatment Kalis has received, if Dunn flips, he can expect the same, which would burn bridges.
Regardless, I trust Hoke and Mattison to recruit well, and finish well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some equal talent they are recruiting out there of which we have no clue.
Noah Spence, a great DE, will probably not end up at PSU. Shaq Thompson is a top ranked safety prospect, still to make a commitment. Wes Brown is a great RB, arguably better than Dunn. Diamond and Banner are both solid OL prospects still on the board. Payton has fallen off the radar, but is still a solid WR. So is Madaris.
These are all still possibilities:
- TE: McNamara
- OL: Garnett, Diamond, Banner
- RB: Dunn, Brown
- WR: Diggs, Darboh, Payton, Madaris
- DE: Spence
- CB: Wright
- Safety: Thompson
These 13 potential recruits have the following Scout ratings:
- Seven 5-stars
- Five 4-stars
- One 3-star (McNamara)
I am confident that the coaching staff will review not only the depth we see on paper, but also the areas where we may technically have depth, but need more skill. While Mattison, Hoke, and Borges won't throw any current players under the bus, they will undoubtedly recruit to add more depth where the current skill level is . . . unsatisfactory.
With the exception of the OL RB, & WR prospects above, I would take anyone on the above list. I think we are at the point where we probably only have room for one more on the OL, one of the two RB prospects, and where we should take two at the most at WR. Unlike QB, or LB, we could easily take one more recruit in any of the above seven positions.
We know that we don't have room for all 13, and we know that some will wait until signing day to commit. But if the remaining recruits come from the above list, we can't really go wrong, can we?
Isn't McNamara generally considered a high 4 Star? Rivals has him at #2 TE in the nation. Not sure why Scout is so low on him. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Taylor-McNamara-...
I +1d you, but I think Thompson recently eliminated us. Minor change.
Also word is that Oklahoma leads for Banner and Vandy leads for Wes Brown.
We need to solidify our national recruiting a little bit more to account for Urban...
1. Animated photobomb with Mr. Long
2. Woman seductively caressing something that is a metaphor for Michigan recruiting
3. Wolverine eating a Cardinal (NOT CARDINALS)
4. Denard barely avoiding terminal velocity as he slows to kneel in the endzone
He'll be a big daggone guy for us in there...daggone manball
If Garnett's other finalist is Washington, I don't like our chances. It's one thing to politely include your hometown program on a list of 6 finalists. But when it's one of two, you raise expectations at home. He evidently loves the place, so why set it up for disappointment? Granted, Ohio kids sometimes pick M and Michigan kids sometimes pick Ohio. But these states produce more talent than one school can possibly sign. The UW area produces a limited number of five-stars. Garnett is a major source of pride there. I'm sure he's aware of this. And it's not as if he's Brionte Dunn, a kid caught betwixt and between new coaches, systems, etc.
Its not Washington, Garnetts Top two teams are Michigan and Stanford in no particular order. But he was super pumped up about his Michigan visit on twitter and even reached out to Taylor McNamara to talka bout how good it was. Apparently Magnusson was working on Garnett and now both of them are working on McNamara, so I think its gonna be good. I mean honestly we will know how it goes with McNamara this weekend. If he doesnt go on an official visit this weekend, chances are he will come to Michigan for his OV on December 9 (Same date as Kalis/Dunn OV's i think)