I find it strange the Gardner hasn't been awarded a fifth star considering that he is the #1 QB in the country. He essentially stayed at the same spot(I think he was #53 overall in the previous rivals 100), with Heaps 1 spot behind Devin. Hopefully he'll get the fifth star when the final edition of the rivals 100 is released
Gardner Still Rated 4 Star in New Rivals 100
I think there were about 35 5* recruits in the final last year so he would have to move up a fair amount still in order to get that 5th star. It is definitely possible because his team got off to a slow start and if they make it past the first round of playoffs I think he will probably do that.
Even if he doesn't get it, I'm sure we're getting a very talented player, who apparently has an ideal attitude. Anyone that highly rated, who is willing to take the time to learn, develop, and earn playing time has a good head on his shoulders. I hope he stays true to what he's said thus far. At the QB position, having your head in the right place is just as important as having talent.
I went back and looked as far back as they go (2002) and in all but two of those years they had at least 3 QB's in the top thirty (the other years they had 2). Very weird to have the top guy at the position so far down the list.
On a side note, looking over the list was a lot of fun considering all the big hits and huge misses out of those guys (I'm way more pleased to have had Chad Henne for 4 years after seeing names like Rhett Bomar, Anthony Morelli, Xavier Lee, and Matt Tuiasosopo being ranked at the same level coming out of high school).
to be fair, Bomar might have been the shit
Why is that weird? It's admittedly a down year for QBs. They shouldn't give 5 stars to guys just because of the position they play. If you don't think a guy is a 5 star guy, don't give him 5 stars just bc he's a QB.
Perhaps an example of that, and related to ur panning the lists of some of the top QB recruits, a guy that I was shocked to see as a 5 star (at least on Scout) was Jonathan Crompton. Say what you will about Morelli, Lee, or even Kyle Wright, the lack of progression of Crompton is simply baffling to me.
Re: Bomar and Tuiasosopo, I thought Bomar was kind of thrown under the bus by Stoops. I'd have a hard time believing his situation is not occuring with lots of kids at other programs. Matt Tuiasosopo was supposed to be the next great QB at Wash. but chose to play baseball instead of follow his brother's footsteps at UW. If he had gone there, I really believe UW wouldn't have crashed in 2004 and 2005 and sunk to where it did.
It is weird because it is unusual or at least very different from the norm. They are basically saying this is by far the worst crop of quarterbacks to come out since they've begun evaluating players. I'm sure someone with more knowledge of math/statistics (as opposed to a lazy LSA major, like myself) could confirm that this is a strange occurrence with respect to a seemingly random event (the number of good quarterbacks who graduate from high school every year). I'm not saying they should rate the guys this year higher just to balance the rankings by position, merely noticing the vast divergence from every other ranking they've ever put out.
Also, didn't mean to badmouth the other guys on the list I mentioned (not their fault they were highly rated in high school). Just glad that (considering we ended up needing a 4 year starter) we signed Henne rather than a guy who played baseball, got booted off his team, fell off the face of the earth (Lee) or just plain sucked (Morelli). Just goes to show how easily a program can rise or fall if they aren't careful.
Has he done anything extra to garner a higher rating? From his games it looks like the ratings are about what I would think.
to see him get a fifth star. their reasoning for not giving him one was that as a dual threat QB he's not unbelievable running or passing. of course that begs the question, "then why was TP rated number one overall despite being a horrible passer?" whoooooo fucking knows?
I've always liked the idea that the number one overall recruit needs to wait until signing day to pick a school. More drama that way. Or at least that is how the powers that be view it.
that Pryor was a once a decade runner as a QB of that size.
I honestly think that Pryor's early career struggles have made Rivals gun-shy with rating dual-threat QBs as five-stars. He's a good player, but I think it's made Rivals--and everyone else--realize the difficulty in translating raw athleticism at the QB position to success in the college game (Mike Vick notwithstanding).
For God's sake Pryor had an extremely good year for a freshman. Halfway through this year he hasn't done so hot, but come on, Jimmy Clausen, Vince Young. Also, did you read Chris Brown's post after the USC game? Pryor would be much much better if Tressel had a lick of sense in how to use him. It's shocking how you tempt fate by implying Pryor is a bust so early in his career.
I don't think he's a bust; I said he's a good player. I think he just got over-hyped by Rivals by getting the #1 tag based purely on athletic potential, and at QB there's much more polish involved in success. Adrian Peterson ran out there his freshman year and destroyed everybody. Pryor had a good year for a freshman but was comparatively underwhelming. Whatever his stats say to this point, he's not an instinctive QB.
Oh, and I want to further the discourse that Pryor is a disappointment in hope that it continues to grow in the OSU community and gives us an edge.
Yeah Pryor was super overrated. (Knock on wood)
5* or 4* he is still the same player.
Exactly. I don't understand how some think that if he gets a 5th star, that really means anything, like his skill set will change.
DG is a terrific dual quarterback, seems like a terrific young man, and is a terrific fit for this offense. That doesn't change whether or not he gets your precious 5th star or not.
it would be additional affirmation that he is expected to do very well. the difference between a fifth and fourth star evaluation on average is significant. why wouldn't it be here?
Couldn't agree more. It's funny when we play well or badly people adjust expectations. No one says, "well this is unworthy of comment, we're still the same football team."
If D.J. Williamson got revised to 5* I think we'd see a lot less people making this argument.
I don't mean just winning games. Certainly winning games is the most important, but I want Michigan to win EVERYTHING. I want them to win games, I want them to have the top recruiting class (yes, every year). I even get excited when Michigan wins the coin toss. The fact that construction has cost us being the largest stadium the past two years keeps me up at night. I will give a sigh of relief when construction is complete so once again the "Big House" will be the "Biggest House"! Does it seem like all of this is just a big peeing contest? Maybe. But if there is a peeing contest, I want Michigan to win!
i am going to get this tattooed on my back
- bird watching
- power a lightbulb with a potato
- finding a new job
- spending time with friends
- charity work
- organizing your own intervention for over-obsession with Michigan football
No thanks. I'll stick with Michigan Football.
They are not mutually exclusive.
Don't pretend you are not obsessed with all things Michigan. You have got 2122 pts on this sight. (congrats, that is awesome) The fact that you are on this sight testifies to your obsession. This is the most informative Michigan blog in the world. This blog is was created for the obsessed (my oppinion). I am not being negative towards you. I'm impressed. You are one of us. You are in the club. (Let me know your favorite snack food, I'll have it for the next meeting.)
The fact that I post here has more to do with Brian than Michigan. The point total under my avatar testifies to jack shit, with the possible exception that I post here too much. If you equate that to obsession with all things Michigan, then I suggest recalibrating your criteria. It ain’t the fucking point total.
But the fact of the matter is that I do not obsess over all things Michigan. It’s ridiculous to do so, when there are so many other things in life that are more deserving of my time and attention. I like to watch the games and read news about the program. I have fun watching the team play and there’s no doubt that I enjoy seeing them win, but obsession over them winning ruins that fun. I prefer that the players and the coach be obsessed with winning, not me.
But by no means do I care if Michigan “wins” the so-called recruiting battle. I do not get excited over Michigan winning the coin toss. I am not kept up at night over the size of Michigan Stadium. I do not obsess over those types of things. It reduces fascination over the team to fascination over minutia. If that’s your club, I want no part of it.
Is that you Tim Tebow???
We should totally have this engraved on the side of Michigan Stadium.
Wasn't Russell Shepard a 5 star?
Russell last year, TP the year before, and in 2007 you had Tyrod Taylor and Cameron Newton. 2006 was just Tebow.
Overall, they are very tough on placing dual threats as 5 stars.
If you look at the class of 2006, Rivals did a darn good job of nailing their 5 star players.
EDIT: I included the 06 Rivals ranking, but their link doesn't work, so I had to remove it.
Russell Shepard. He was considered to be more of an athlete by some, though.
i explained why. vince young was rated a 5 star guy as well
Xavier Lee, Tyrod Taylor, Tebow, Perrilloux, Marcus Vick and James Banks were all duel threat 5 stars since 2002.
Guess they just don't think Gardner is one of those guys.
Also, I think recruiting rankings are generally pretty accurate, but that's not the greatest success rate ever on duel threat 5 stars.
if, for lack of a better word, the "bust" rate is higher for 5 star dual threat QB's than for 5 star drop back QB's? That may explain a reluctance to rate them higher.
Was defenitly a 5star coming out and i'm pretty sure that one of the recruiting sites even had him as the number one overall player.
EDIT: Ryan Perriloux was also a 5star.
I'm surprised Luc lost his 5th star.
or lack of it I should say. From what they had to say, which wasn't a whole lot, they made him sound like a 3 star prospect with 5 star potential/ability, so they moved him to a 4 star.
Thanks for the info. Would still love to see him at Michigan.
I thought about making a sarcastic remark about walk-ons, but I don't think the sarcasm technician has fixed all the detectors yet, so I'll refrain.
We could really use a Luc in our lineup.
Which is confusing since last year Matt Barkeley (Barkley?) had an unproductive year (23 tds, 18 ints) relative to his junior year but was still a 5 star.
But Barkley was going to USC so there's no way they'd take his 5th star away, in fact I'm surprised they didn't institute the 6 star system with him as the only 6 star player for no other reason than that he was going to USC.
Well that explains why we lost interest. /sarcgasm
Nothing like a loud, screaming sarcgasm.
Might as well preserve that one last shred of humility, for what it's worth. Plus Tate was a four-star, so there you go.
does anybody know how many more times rivals will update the rankings?
why you got a negative for this I dont know
It's called a bad rep
5 stars to come in right away and be 5 star college players. Thats kind of crap.
Pryor is a TRUE sophomore, how many true sophomore starting QB's have their even been in the Big 10 in the last decade.
Chad Henne. That being said, his sophoomore year he suffered from a severe case of nomorebraylonitis.
Derek Anderson has been suffering from the same affliction as of late. Symptoms include two completions out of 17 attempts and an interception.
me. I don't think there have been many true sophs starting at QB in B10 recently.
Do redshirt freshmen count as the same thing? Adam Weber, Kellen Lewis, B. Bollinger
Not sure if Kyle Orton redshired, but he started three years
Mike Kafka started as a redshirt freshman few games (doesn't really count, I suppose) May be some others out there that I'm not thinking of. Regardless, it's rare that the young QB tears it up.
Fair assessments of Pryor probably can't start until next year.
I could give less than a rats ass. Any coach would want him.
exactly, most of the people who give opinions on recruiting are basing it on 2nd hand info obtained from who knows where and a little bit of video. These folks are our gurus, they may be informed but it doesn't make them astute.
if Seantral signs with Southern Cal, and if the top 3 positions don't change, they'll have #1, #2, and #3 ranked players. Plus Seastrunk and Powell at #4 and #5 are still looking at them, and Powell heavily conisidering them, it seems. Whoo-doggee, that's killing it at the top end. No sign of this run by USC ending, g'dammit ...
Two words...Reggie Bush. If you can throw that kind of money at kids and not get caught, of course you're gonna get high picks.
I don't think $500 handshakes are what's going on here. Bush case aside (and let's remember, the implication there is that a would-be agent and sports marketing company are guilty along with the Bushes ... lack of institutional control is about all 'SC will get dinged for, if they get dinged), that program has some powerful recruiting tools:
Tradition (How many Heisman winners now? National Championships? Top 5 finishes? Rose Bowl appearances? Conference Championships?)
They get a ton of players drafted (self-perpetuating lure there)
They play in spotlight games OOC (Va Tech, OSU, Bama, etc.)
Carroll can sell they will be in the title hunt every year
Great weather in SoCal
Celebs like Snoop Dog come to practice
The cheerleaders ('nuf said), and I suspect a pretty nice looking female population on campus (certainly enough in the metro area)
Huge in-state talent base
Plenty of media coverage
Perception that they're the best (every kid wants to be offered by SC these days)
and on and on ...
Again, I'm not a Trojan fan, but if I were a top HS player, I know 'SC would be high on my list.
Even with all those advantages, it's stil mind-boggling that USC can get so many superstud 5-star recruits to come out and sit on the bench until they are redshirt sophomores or even fourth year juniors and not get disgruntled about it. Immediate playing time is such a big selling point for kids nowadays.
Like you said, they are stockpiling 5 star recruits, but only so many get to see the field. As a star, you don't get to shine unless you are making plays on the field. Either Carroll's selling strategy is convincing or...
USC, I don't think. Same thing going on at programs like Florida, Texas, etc. Loaded every year with top classes. Playing time is important, but there seems to be other criteria top players are interested in, too.
Plus at USC, if you're good enough, you don't have to sit. See Ronald Johnson, Taylor Mays, Joe McKnight, et al ... I think Carroll is selling some of this: "You think you're the best? I have an opportunity for you to prove it."
It's the same thing with Rodriguez, and just as many other coaches around the country. Competition will bring out the best in your players. I had the chance to watch a USC practice a few years ago, and you can really see why they're so good.
Premium players love that kind of environment where they can A. Prove they're the best, and B. Go up against the best to get better.
you don't happen to be Snoop, do you?
Agreed with your thoughts. It seems a certain type of athlete is wired that way (not all obviously), has no fear of competition, and wants to prove he or she is the best. If in this case the NFL is the end game for this type of kid, Carroll has some pretty attractive things to offer.