Bodes well. I had always thought he was a great coach with character issues. I mean, win the national championship and LSU fans think he's a bad game day coach?
this may be of some local interest
Bodes well. I had always thought he was a great coach with character issues. I mean, win the national championship and LSU fans think he's a bad game day coach?
thought 10 years ago. Anyone can win here..the school recruits itself. Some actually think Les wont be as good here because he won't have the LSU brand name to recruit kids with.
Anyways, the best line I seen on that board was a comment about the M plane in BR airport.
"is Mrs. Moeller on the plane? We may be in trouble"
LSU had taken a long sabattical from fb and was merely a "sometimes threat" to conference supremacy since the early '70s until Saban re-established what McLennan(?) had established in the 60s and 70s. It didn't simply recruit itself until Saban was hired and walked away and Les was able to carry on.
Just being historically accurate. No offense intended toward author of previous post
I don't agree with any of that..I simply was relalying what I got from reading the LSU boards.
Anyone who thinks UofM could not draw equal or better recruits with the same recruiters is nuts IMO
I love that we should be cool to hire Miles despite the fact that he may not be a good coach.
I did not say he was a good coach. And the LSU fan base is clearly split on it. Many think LSU gets good talent and Miles wins despite his incompetence. Others think he is a good coach who does not get enough credit for LSU's success because of his quirkiness (LSU was pretty bad for a long time before Saban/Miles).
I just think before people go around trashing his character based on an ESPN report (the media is always honest and accurate with no agenda, right?), they might want to find out what the LSU fans think of him.
Edit: I found these comments particularly interesting:
Les is a good man, and basically a clone of his mentor Bo. I think what you get with Miles is what you would've had with Bo. Good-hearted, caring, and a father figure. I don't know if you'll win an NC under Miles, but he'll keep you in the hunt for Big Ten titles and always make the UM-tOSU game a real rivalry game.
I've got some concerns about the coaching ability of Les Miles.
But Les Miles is one of the best men I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. He is, WITHOUT QUESTION, a family man who values honesty, integrity, and loyalty. He has done nothing but show his true stirling character throughout his time in Baton Rouge. The OTL piece was an absolute witch hunt, and it's an embarrassment to journalism that they chose Les Miles to villify in that piece.
Like I said, I'm not Les Miles' biggest fan. But he is a hell of a man, and after Katrina and all the years since, I'd stick my neck out for him any day of the week.
that HaRRd Edge week is now "Les is More" week?
Other Suggestions welcome.
You could argue that this blog's opinion of RR relative to outsider's opinions are the exact same.
Doesn't mean either is right...
That is an interesting comparison. Is it possible that people who are more involved fans (the kind of people that would visit blogs) are more loyal to their coach?
This is exactly correct. Hard to say who's right.
the issue with Miles isn't "he goes for it too much on 4th downs." Pretty much everyone who comments on this site agrees with his decision to go for it a ton on 4th downs.
It's more "he calls for a spike when there's no time left on the clock" and "he never, ever seems to have a time out left at the end of the game when he needs one" and "he tried to call a time out after an interception."
There are a lot of points in Miles' favor, but the man does some inexplicable things during games.
I don't care if he's a great guy, gives to charity or whatever. Michigan is on probation, we can't afford to have a guy who, despite his Jesus like morality, will flirt with NCAA rules. It's not so much about morality/character, it's about the NCAA knocking on LSU's door right now.
I actually think Miles would do a good job,I can't get my mind off the banner at the top of the page, I want Charlie Manson picture in there.
33.3333 (repeating, of course) . . .
Actually I'm hereby stating my case that Leeroy Jenkins should be our head coach. He has tenacity. His offense is by no means conservative with that kind of 'go for it' attitude this program has been lacking. The defense is questionable but all around I feel he should be in the discussion.
And he has chicken!
+1 if possible....LEEEEROOYYYY AHHHJENKINNNNSSSSS
It's quite interesting reading that they view the OTL video people are posting here as Gospel about Les Miles' character in roughly the same way as the Michigan fanbase views the Freep pieces about Rich Rodriguez.
And I would agree with the OP, the widespread opinion on Les Miles being a good guy and a father figure for his players seems to run throughout Tiger Droppings (still, lol every time), even when people are blasting clock management issues.
Are we jumping to conclusions here?
Especially given the fact that ESPN is generally greeted with "lolcats" on this board. Yet when there's a hatchet job that suits people's interests, it is presented as incontrovertible fact.
Interesting to hear their perspective on it, for sure.
I wouldn't say anyone is hinging their opinion of Les Miles on the OTL piece alone. There are a few other reasons to feel he is unfit to coach at the University of Michigan. That being said, it's been pretty well documented that LSU oversigns players, and quietly forces kids into medical hardships, and grey shirts as a means of fitting under the scholarship limit.
At the present moment, they have 9 more commitments than they have available scholarships. If those numbers hold true (LSU is still recruiting a few top seniors), that means they would have to "remove" 9 players from their roster.
It seems the only way this practice is defensible is if your school does it, or you desprately want to hire a coach from a school that does it. In other words, it's disgusting and indefensible.
Are you sure your math is accurate on this one? For most teams, the exact number of scholarship players is sort of an educated guess, with some former walk-ons getting a free ride for one year and such.
They are attempting to get a handle on all of the BCS programs.
As of now they only have a few, but they are keeping a rolling count as commitments move in and juniors/seniors move out.
Because a website with the name oversigning.com must be accurate and could not possibly have an agenda.
If they aren't accurate it would be pretty easy to prove, so if you want to challenge the numbers instead of spuriously casting doubt on them, which adds no value, why not take 5 minutes and count.
No one on this website (not even Brian or Tim or TomVH) can tell you exactly how many scholarships UM has available or exactly how many players we can sign in the upcoming class, but you can do so for LSU? OK. Keep up the good work.
Also, did you watch the video?
This isn't hinging on whether this walkon or that 5th year senior is on scholarship next year. We're talking about LSU being over by 8 (!) players as things stand.
... because clearly I am stupid:
Yes, with this info, I should be able to add and subtract to see if LSU is going to exceed 85 scholarships.
This is going to turn into a diary. Edit: and it's up.
They are a newly formed sort of "watchdog" group, so of course they have an agenda, and what a horrible agenda they have; attempting to expose the schools that oversign, while praising those that don't. There are good agendas, and there are bad agendas. IMHO, this is a good agenda.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think most people find oversigning to be a bad practice. I'd honestly love to hear someone lay out a case for how it is good for student-athletes (particularly those who wanted to stay at the program, but were forced to leave).
If I find this particular website to be misrepresenting facts, then they will lose credibility, and rightfully so, but it's time that someone monitored and documented precisely what is going on with regard to this issue.
I'll play devils advocate. Keep in mind this is solely for the sake of argument and I do not agree with or support the practice of oversigning.
Being recruited and signing with a school is basically a business deal. The kid receives a free education in exchange for playing football. Just like I receive a paycheck for providing my company a service. If my service for my company is not up to their standards and they believe they can bring in someone more qualified to do my job would it be wrong?
I understand they are kids but they are being compensated for their performance.
This might sound ridiculous, but it's true, NCAA football is tax exempt precisely because it's supposedly not a business. The idea is that the NCAA's educational mission is compelling enough that it shouldn't be taxed. Oversigning does damage to that. And the more college football becomes like a business the less it makes sense that it should have anything to do with college at all.
Maybe they formed the site to highlight a destructive practice. Do the math yourself on LSU's scholarships if you don't believe them.
No one is hinging their belief on it? Read the "Morally unfit" thread, or the "Les is not more" thread. Or anything M-Wolverine has posted today. The video has been posted or referenced a million times today for people to "educate" themselves about how supposedly terribly nefarious Les Miles is.
Of course, the truth is somewhere in between. Is Les Miles a saint? Absolutely not. But I'm not going to take some ESPN report as definitive proof the guy is the scum of the earth.
The video is a short and sweet example of one of the several kids that Les, Saban, and others have forced out for no reason other than they didn't quite live up to the hype.
It is understandable if you don't trust the source because of an aversion to ESPN in general, but OTL tends to have more clout than, "X ESPN reporter says Y will happen, according to annonymous sources."
You couldn't check the Freep article's sources yourself when you first read it. The OTL video, on the other hand, provides the kid (appearing very credible) saying that Miles told him everytthing was going well, a letter from LSU dated eleven days prior to that conversation saying that the kid didn't have a scholarship, and a video of Miles telling the press that the kid wasn't on the team anymore b/c he didn't have the "want to." The only way to punch a hole in that fact pattern is to say the kid is lying. Two responses: 1. He seems very credible., 2.. LSU oversigns regularly, so it's hardly a stretch to imagine the story is true (I grant that this is circumstanial evidence for that specific case)...That other poor kid had already enrolled and moved into a dorm when he was forced to move out.
You can't just say, "All the media is wrong." Sometimes they provide facts. Then they're not wrong.
I don't believe people would be looking beyond this if Miles was not (apparently) a candidate for the M job.
Finally, I'm not saying the guy is the scum of the earth or that he's going to hell. I just don't think he's somebody who should be coaching at Michigan. Michigan is supposed to have higher standards than the LSUs of the world.
And seem to turn a blind eye when you like someone, but blow things out of proportion when you don't, it might help if you pay attention a little more. Brian has been writing about this for MONTHS. Far before ESPN ran any story. The story video is just an easy link for those who haven't heard (the majority), haven't been paying attention to Brian even though they're posting on his blog, or want to stick their heads in the sand because he's going to be our next coach, like you.
What exactly does this solve?
IMHO LSU fans are not exactly the definited of an unbiased source, especially when dealing with the shady aspects of their program.
And it was not intended to. This is not theoretical mathematics.
And...this could be said about literally every single college football fanbase in the country.
Should we trust ESPN to report without bias?
*Newsflash* LSU fans think Les Miles is a pretty cool guy. So, therefore we should ignore all evidence to the contrary, and instead put stock in what the fans have to say because, OMG ESPN SUKS?
-Note, this isn't a direct reply to you, but rather, peeps in general.
They're sneaux balling us.
I just hope they are leaux balling the Hat with their counteroffer.
True, oversigning runs rampant in the SEC. What sets Miles apart is waiting 'til the last minute with Porter, telling him 2 weeks after he moved into the dorms. Nobody has an explanation or a justification for that. Even the linked article defending him says that was wrong.
I'm sure it's largely self justification, but still this makes me very happy. At least it's something on the other side.
I don't know the validity of the OTL reports, but it did make Miles look like a shady recruiter along with most of the SEC.
We know that the media can be used to paint people in a negative light. As Michigan fans, these past 3 years we have all seen how damning media can be. Who knows, but that might be the situation with Miles.
I have not gone back to watch the OTL piece recently (I probably need to do that), but if I recall it highlights Miles much more than Saban (if it talks about Saban at all). Saban oversigns circles around just about everyone, but Miles is ESPN's poster-child for oversiging.
Is that more a product of ESPN's bias towards Saban? I was under the impression that SEC was forced to create the signing limit because of Sam Nutt. I can't remeber, but I think Nutt signed close to 40 players.
Then he joked that he should have signed 80...I think/hope everyone can agree that ESPN should have mentioned Saban.
If...West Virginia wasnt scared to death about their future football program, I'm sure we would have read this same thread with RR taking place of Les Miles. Minus the clock issues and the oversigning.
Great info. Thanks forsharing it. Too many on this site are over-rotating on some questionable player handling. He is exactly what we need - a winner that understands what Michigan is all about, runs a hybrid offense (that Denard would excel in), a great recruiter and a man of character. Those looking for something more are delusional.
Guaranteed, little bro and the bucknuts do not want us hiring Miles. That should tell you enough..
You just described RR...unless you want to take out "Understands what Michigan is all about." Just depends what side of the fence your on.
I agree with your thoughts completely. And what really disturbs me is the numerous posts by anti-Miles people who base their opinions solely on a media report relating to an athelete who claims he wasn't treated fairly by a coach and who transfered. That athelete was then the focal point of a media dust up about a practice that is rampant in the conference. Does that sound even slightly familiar to anyone? Didn't we just live through that experience - chapter and verse - with the practice time and Freep reporting. Has it occurred to folks that there is another side to it? I may be wrong here, but I am guessing that alot of the RR supporters are anti-Miles and ironically base their judgments on the same kind of incomplete information that contributed to Coach Rodriguez's unfortunate downfall. Please, please. Let's not do this again. And I am really surprised that Brian, who launched the Jihad for goodness sakes, seems to have fallen into this trap.
Nice post. I was/am an RR supporter, and I would love to see Miles at this point. I, like most wanted Harbaugh initially , and since guys like Patterson (and Gruden) are not real options I want the guy I thought should have been our coach the last three years in the first place.
Thanks for the link, this was a good read. I'll admit, I was not very happy about the idea of Miles coming here, but this thread does a lot towards raising my opinion of him. He's definitely head and shoulders above Hoke now in my mind, where before I wasn't sure who I wanted here less (I'd still really love to see Patterson though, or even Gruden).
Given the whole Freep scenario this year, I should've thought to take that whole news report with a grain of salt.
Miles isn't a good coach?
So all the anti-Miles people should stop trashing his character and start trashing his coaching abilities. I mean, c'mon, you're making the rumor mill look bad.
is that all the assistant coache's wives Les hosed while here last are all gone now. Now, imo, that doesn't make him a bad guy; probably more of an indicator of the other coaches not taking care of bidness at home.
When we were first thinking about LC's replacement on rivals, I mentioned him as one I'd like to see in AA. I was basing this on his football accomplishments and his ability to be OK in a state where OU dominated OSU similar to our historical domination of MSU. Secondly, he was able to entice some very highly rated talent to Stillwater, a town upon entering, I did a U-Turn and said to my brother, "No, I simply can't work here." But of course that entire state was unappealing so wtf huh?
Les can get talent and RR's problems were two bad choices for the DC choice. When running a 35, you do so first of all because talent is young or questionable. When running it though, you simply must blitz no less than 3, preferably 4 on all downs, thereby filling all gaps which will make it difficult for running and allows the qb about 2 seconds less to turn around and read through a 8 man zone, spread out across the whole field instead of concentrating on primary receivers and sending defenders to most one likely to be thrown to. Qbs will misfire often or be sacked, and as stated above, all gaps have assignments and lbers don't have to think, but merely react to what they see. Oh ballcarrrier coming at me, no one has blocked my gap. I make a tackle. Oh qb is going to pass. No one blocked me because we ran an X stunt, merely Dlman crashing into one OLman on an immediate angle and backer filling through open gap because OLman is supposed to block the crahing DLmen and will follow him 90% of time. Why this was so difficult for a Super Bowl DC to figure out, I just couldn't imagine.
Now Les is older. This time he'd be the head man. He won't stray away from home, and his attention will be totally focused on UM fb, where it was not in his previous stay here. \
or Hoke, so neither do it. pwned!
This isn't some made up cartoon nonsense. Les Miles is a real life ass-kicking sex machine.
Les Miles is a real ass-sex machine.
Accidental dyslexia'd that for you.
Though I have to admit most of those tastes involve ladies' private parts.
now I know it's a solar panel for a sex machine
This may have already been posted, but the LSU beat writer for the Shreveport Times, Glenn Guilbeau, wrote a column in December titled "Les Miles' only real sin is recruiting too well." Guilbeau seems to echo LSU fans' positive take on Miles's character.
Guilbeau also wrote a column today in which he says "Les Miles would be crazy to leave LSU for Michigan now." He predicts Miles will stay at LSU:
But this is also the perfect time for Miles to stay at LSU. He will return his best team since the 2007 national champions, and it’s all his team now. The national championship game is in New Orleans next season. LSU, which finished 11-2, returns 17 starters and has new quarterback Zach Mettenberger coming in. The Tigers will enter the 2011 season in the top eight. With a win over Oregon in the opener in Cowboys Stadium, the Tigers could be in the top three.
Miles' chances of winning another national championship are much greater at LSU than they will be at Michigan for years.
Miles will likely look into the job a bit as he did back in 2007.
“We love him, but he’s crazy,” [LSU receiver Russell] Shepard said. “He’ll tell you he’s crazy.”
But he’s not that crazy. Miles will think about Michigan, but he will stay at LSU.
The same column also included this zinger:
“People have told me Les Miles has been acting weird the last few weeks,” a national sports reporter asked me last week. “Do you think he wants the Michigan job?”
That reporter was quickly told that Miles has been acting weird for the last six seasons.
ESPN sensationalized something to sell a program on TV?!
Not to be that guy, but I guess I can follow suit lol....I posted this link about 3 hours before this thread therefore this thread is unneccesary right?
Does anyone know if he make his players go to class? For some reason that's something I care about.