The future of TEs in the Michigan offense?

Submitted by UMaD on

Al Borges' 2011 offense has heavily utilized two-TE sets despite a lack of talent at the position (beyond Kevin Koger).  It seems self-evident, to me anyway, that putting proven wide receivers (like Odoms or Roundtree) on the field is superior to a converted DE (Watson) or career backup TE (Moore).  Borges obviously disagrees, and with the 2012 recruiting class now projected to include three TEs, there's no let-up in sight.

Using multiple TEs isn't groundbreaking - Most pro-style teams have plenty of two-TE packages and Rich Rodriguez routinely used them as well. But why do it at all?  Chris Brown wrote commentary about how the Patroits evolved from a shotgun-spread-passing team (with Moss) to a pro-style system that uses TEs to combat blitzing defenses like the Jets.

New England's spread-to-pass became predictable instead of fearsome, and it was up to Brady on almost every play to throw the ball before some unblocked rusher took him down again. 

Perhaps a parallel here to Denard trying to rush or pass the ball against crashing safeties and linebackers?  Every coach worth a lick knows how to counter the basics of run-oriented-spread offense just as they can counter the basics of a pass-oriented-spread offense.  There have certainly been a number of games in the last year where the Michigan offense appeared predictable. Even with a talented runner like Denard (or a passer like Tom Brady) counter-attacks are necessary to stay ahead.  Back to the Pats...

So Belichick went out and drafted both Gronkowski and Hernandez...Hernandez is more of a pure receiver, and his chief advantage is as a substitution/personnel problem: If he's in the game, you don't know if he'll line up as a tight end or if he'll split wide so that Welker can play the slot, forcing you to decide whether to put your cornerback on Welker or Hernandez, potentially creating advantages in both the run and passing game. But Gronkowski is a true triple-threat from the tight-end spot: He can block, he can go out for passes, and he can even block and then go out for delayed passes. Multiple defenders have to keep their eyes on him... Of course, the problem for NFL teams—and for college or high-school teams that want to run a "pro-style offense"—is finding players who can do all these things... Wanted: 6-foot-6 freak athlete who can run a 4.5 40, has incredible hands, is willing and able to block 300-pound defensive ends, and can immediately memorize a 1,000-page playbook.

Does that sound like Devin Funchess or Pharaoh Brown to anyone?  We can only hope...

It's clear that Borges wants to use multiple TEs.  But with 2 of our best three graduating, personnel is going to play a potentially limiting factor in 2012. Moore is the only returning TE that begins to fit the Gronkowski mold of 'triple-threat' and he appears to have limited overall talent.  Williams will likely play but (they say) is primarily a blocker. There are walk-ons, I guess, but they're not going to be as good as Moore or Watson even. 

Everyone else (Miller, Funchess, and Brown) is a hybrid TE/WR - which we don't really use right now. Yet there will be three of them on the roster. Hmmm...seems like things might look a little different next year. 

Brown writes: You must have players who can dictate terms back to the defense by presenting odd matchup problems...Unpredictability is the key. Is a play a run or a pass? Which direction is it going? How will it work? And these hybrid guys give you options in ways that even great players with more specific roles cannot. They simplify defenses by making them uncertain.

I know many of us are sick of hearing about hybrids, but I think the above is what Borges has in mind eventually.  Maybe you don't have to have Gronkowski-level talent on one end to make it effective (though it would obviously help).  Maybe a game-breaking-mistmatch-creating receiver/end is enough to give defenses fits.  Especially, if your QB isn't the most accurate deep-ball passer but is a game-breaking run-threat.  In that situaiton, maybe a 6-6 target on intermediate routes provides more benefit than getting little dudes the ball 'in space' or attempting low-probability deep passes.

aaamichfan

November 15th, 2011 at 7:31 PM ^

I believe we will begin using TEs more when we have a QB who is reliably on-target while throwing across the middle. 

Wolverine MD

November 15th, 2011 at 7:47 PM ^

The problem with the passing spread(often with no huddle) is that it works wonders earlier in the season when the defense is struggling to keep up in 75-90degree weather. What happens, is that it gets colder, it's harder to feel your hands (to catch or throw), and the defensive linemen aren't gasping for breath as their jerseys are soaked in sweat. 

It happens every year with the pats. They start off absolutely on fire offensively. Then they cool off as the weather does. 

manchild56

November 15th, 2011 at 7:50 PM ^

are the one posistion on the field that has evolved the most in the last 10 to 15 years. Since Gates, and Tony G. have made the TE one of the most important parts of an offense. I mean they are now just as explosive as WR in most NFL offenses. I remember getting killed by Witten in the bowl game in the early 2000's. He was killing us and made me wanna pull my hair out.  A great TE can change an offense and open up everything and I am so excited for AJ next year for this reason 6 ft 6 220 lbs and fast.

sfjb

November 15th, 2011 at 8:05 PM ^

Watch Stanford and the 49ers.  Harbaugh's offense utilizes big guys who can be playmakers and are mis-matches in the passing game.  The main difference between that and the Patriots is the commitment to the running game.  This seems more likely to me, as Hoke wants to run the ball (or so he says) and running the passing spread (ala Patriots) may require both top TEs and a top QB.

Obviously they need TEs on the roster, but it does seem like a rather large haul of TEs to not planning on using them more often.

UMaD

November 15th, 2011 at 8:32 PM ^

The part that interests me most though is the TYPE of TE that is being recruited. Prototypical TEs (like Stanford has) are going to be around 6'4-6'6 and weigh 240-270lb.  Even Hernandez is just 6'1 but weighs 245. In contrast, Brown and Funchess are both tall (6'5 or 6'6) but very skinny (205 or 220lb). Miller was 6'2 208 out of high school but is now listed as 6'4 238 (though if you buy that...) 

Eventually, I could see Miller or Funchess growing into a Hernandez type but it's going to take a little time...that Michigan probably can't afford.  Brown may eventually be a Gronkowski type (6'6 265lb) but again it's going to take some time.  These guys might be able to put on some pounds to knock on the door of 240, but very few freshman can consistently block like TEs are asked to do.

It's going to be interesting to see what they do without Koger and Watson around. I think Borges is committed to using TEs but I don't think the hyrid guys are going to be able to block consistently.  So either they sit (which means Williams and walk-ons) or..  I expect the TEs to be used as receivers a lot more next year.

Hardware Sushi

November 16th, 2011 at 3:44 AM ^

I don't think those are bad points, but NFL size and weight does not equal NCAA size and weight.

Funchess seems like a Hernandez. Brown an athletic freak. Williams as a maul your ass tackle/3rd tackle.

Wolverine862

November 16th, 2011 at 12:03 PM ^

Funchess seems like he would be a perfect spread TE. Basically beef up to 245ish and then beat matchups against LB's.  Mizzou has tight ends that are basically bigger bodied receivers, and in the last 5-10 years they have been some of the best in the nation in terms of recieving.  Either way, I think Funchess is going to end up like Egnew (or Hernandez of the Patriots) meaning hes going to get matched up against LB/S and be able to exploit the coverage.  Having super athletic TEs can be great as long as the coordinator uses them right (gotta let them run).

Michael Rucker was a TE for Mizzou before Coffman, and actually I think Ruckers senior year, Mizzou ran dual TE sets very similar to the Patriots, even though Mizzou was a Spread Team. He is 6'6" 255.  Was also a First team All American TE and Mackey award nominee.  His senior year stats were

G Rec. Yards Avg. TD Rec./G Yards/G
14 84 834 9.93 8 6.0 59.6

Chase Coffman was a TE for mizzou at 6'6" 245, won the Mackey award in 2008.  His 2008 stats were 90 receptions for 987 receiving yards and 10 touchdowns.

Michael Egnew is the current TE for mizzou at 6'6" 245, he was a 2010 Mackey award Finalist, and was named a 1st team All-American.  The last two season stats for him are below. Granted 2011 for the mizzou they had a sophmore quaterback starting in his first season, and he went like 3 or 4 games without a catch before the QB realized, wow this guy gets open alot and he can catch.

Statistics No Yds Avg TD  
2011 45 462 10.3 2  
2010 90 762 8.5 5

 

jethro34

November 15th, 2011 at 9:14 PM ^

This all makes me sad that Chris Barnett didn't happen.  I know it's long past time to move on, but he seemed like a guy that would be playing this very role this year.

Thank goodness for the guys you mentioned.

Also, I really miss Jerame Tuman and Bennie Joppru.

Mr. Yost

November 15th, 2011 at 9:20 PM ^

Williams may be headed to OL, but that's still two TEs in this class.

I'm not sure Moore will even be back, but I won't speculate that he won't.

IMO, next year we're going to use a lot of slots since we'll have a bunch of them as upperclassmen and no TEs. Also, it's clear Denard and Devin will be the QBs next year, so this spread isn't going away...may as well use what you have at your disposal.

The following year we'll have 2 TEs with experience and we'll likely grab 1-2 more in the following class to give us 3-4 young TEs that were recruited for the offense we want to run with Shane Morris.

IMO next year the TE position will be for primarily for blocking. When we get in obvious pass situations we'll go 3 wide/2RBs or 4 wide/1RB.

Mr. Yost

November 16th, 2011 at 6:22 PM ^

I said he may not...he'll be graduated. There is certainly a chance he may not be back. Just because he's been here for 4 years doesn't mean that he is going to return, especially if he's not playing much.

On top of that, he's been pretty bad for most of the year. Not even counting that huge mistake against MSU on 4th and 1 where he completely missed the guy he was supposed to block. I haven't noticed him as much lately, which is a good thing. But at the start of the year, he was getting knocked back time and time again.

With that said, getting back to the point...I never said he wouldn't be back so I don't know where you guys are getting that from. But you can't act like there isn't a chance he could move on after graduation.

cargo

November 15th, 2011 at 10:06 PM ^

As a 49ers fan, with 2 athletic tight ends that can run and block.  I hope we recruit like that and continue to run 2-3 TE sets.  It causes matchup issues cause if you go nickel to cover the athletic TEs you get ran over, and If you match LB's in your base set you have mismatches in the passing game.

Watts Club Moz…

November 16th, 2011 at 4:30 AM ^

I'm not ready to give up on Moore yet. IIRC, he was supposed to be a pretty good athlete coming out of high school. Hopefully with a full offseason in the system we an get a senior-year blossoming like with Joppru and to a lesser extent Bill Seymour/Andy Mignery.

msoccer10

November 16th, 2011 at 10:12 AM ^

is that freak athelete. He is 6-6 and can run. He needs to add weight and strength, just like any high school athelete. Since he was originally recruited to be a DE and doesn't mind contact, I don't think he will have any issues with blocking. He is a very high upside type of player that could end up being the best player in this class.