Man, we should win every game every year. That's totally realistic.
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Man, we should win every game every year. That's totally realistic.
this is the guy who cheered on the Denard helmet ripping
Yeah, that 06 team sure sucked
We were "humiliated" in the bowl game after the 2004 season? The rose bowl loss to Texas? That was a great game and we lost on a last second field goal. Wtf are you talking about?
I call losing a won game at the last second humiliating. What do you think we've been doing to ND the last two years? And yes, 2006 was a dissapointment. Our collapse against USC and the Horror were a one-two punch that branded us as perenially overrated in the eyes of the ESPN/SEC crowd (despite evidence like Florida in '07).
I guess part of my frustration stems from the fact that I'm too young to really remember the glory days of Michigan football. I was barely out of middle school the last time we beat Ohio State, so you can imagine how it feels contemplating the prospect of losing to MSU and OSU again (after watching OSU-Illinois today I really doubt we win this year).
To go into The Game undefeatedand come less than a touchdown away from playing for the NC?! Goddamn that team!
Hoke is doing a great job.
I don't think we will collapse and finish 1-4, because our defense really has improved. We do face some good Dline's which scares me, but I think most of us said 8-4 maybe 9-3 at the start of the season...hard to back off that predicition at this point.
Hate to admit it, but I thought we'd go 6-6.....I thought it would be hard to improve the defense this much and thought the offense would struggle too much with a new system and then struggling special teams.... Glad I am wrong.
Def. not finishing 1-4. We'll beat Purdue at home, and honestly, Illinois doesn't scare me that much. OSU and their D scare me, but their offense is much, much worst than Michigan State. Iowa also doesn't seem that threatening. It's not hard to envision us finishing with a 9 or 10 win season still. Just need to take it one game at a time.
They also get progressively more difficult (which I think is a good thing for building momentum/confidence). State plays Wisconsin and @Nebraska the next two weeks, so there is a great chance that we could be right back in the conference race coming down the stretch if the offense can get into a rhythm and take care of business the next few weeks.
we'll beat Purdue and Iowa for sure the tough stretch will be the last 3 games
The class we have coming in, along with the new guys in 2013 have me thinking that this loss is only a minor speed bumb in our road back to glory. OL? Kalis and Mgnuson to the rescue! Defense? Do we even need to discuss the defensive players coming in? And Stonum will be back (hopefully) next year to be the big threat WR. RB? Do we need to get Coach Jackson in here? The coaching is there, and massive improvements are being seen on D already. The players are improving, and I think that premature attrition will be less than what we've been used to.
So, yes. It IS good to be a Michigan Wolverine!
Our team will play better and coach better.
Our players and fans are classier.
Our campus and school is better.
So yes, it is still and always will be great, to be, a Michigan Wolverine.
Great post, and great big picture view of things. We will win 8 or 9 games and get to a bowl game that we deserve, and be able to build confidence for next year.
As we look at a record of 6-1 going into a bye with Purdue up next , it would do us all good to look back at 2008 with the last changing of the guard at Michigan. Lest we forget recent history, at this point in 2008 we were 2-5 with a loss to MAC foe Toledo at home. We were on our way to a 3-9 record and no sniff of a bowl game. Things will be fine and we will get better.
I'm pissed and so tired of hearing about "wait til next year" fuck it's been 4 years of waiting
wait til next year
Just win baby. That's all it ever comes down to.
Appreciate the attempt, but MSU just beat UM's butts left, right, and sideways. Too many uncomfortable flashbacks from the past two years to be happy right now.
Look, it wasn't our finest moment. There is a lot to learn from a game like today. Rather then sit here and complain about the dirty play, it's good to see a positive thought and comments about the direction of this program.
It's a great time to be a Michigan fan! Go Blue!
We all knew we wouldn't go undefeated. To be at 6-1 with the class that our players and coaches have shown is something to be proud of. The team has represented the university well, and the future is bright. Go blue!
Borges needs to be bit smarter than to call a trick play on 4th and 1 with momentum after scoring to make it a one score game. That deflated everything.
Actually made my shitty day go away!!! Great points and it is sad that this is their NC game
I hate to bring this up, but with Michigan, Illinois, Clemson and Georgia Tech all losing today, where do you think Michigan lands up? Are we out of top 25 already? Also, does Ohio have a chance to sneak back in?
There's a good section on WolverineNation re how MSU played today:
"So was it dirty?
"Definitely. Definitely," Michigan State defensive tackle Jerel Worthy said with a small smile on his face. "Any rivalry you have like that, there's going to be little cheap shots and stuff like that. But you've got to just play through it.
"It's football, at the end of the day, man on man. You've got to overcome it."
Then there was Kirk Cousins saying the rest of his life all he needed to show was 4 fingers - cause he will slip in to alcoholism and shoot doubles when he realizes (i) not even the Jacksonville Jags will draft him (ii) his MSU degree is only good in East Lansing, in the rest of the world it's good for Asst to to Asst for Deputy Waste Disposal (iii) his only school contacts will come in handy if he ends up at Jackson Correctional or needs to score some blow
Shit just got real. I'm very impressed.
2 weeks to get today behind them and get this thing back on track.
Like mentioned above Sparty has a couple of tough games coming up and its very conceivable that after Oct 29 UM will be in control of its own destiny in the Legends Division.
that the future is bright. However, the coaching staff did not live up to expectations today. Toughness is something Coach Hoke has been talking about since he was hired. Today the offensive staff did not give the team a chance to show toughness, because they did not try to establish the run. They pretty much decided that the passing attack was key, when we all know that if you can win the rushing battle in this game you have a good chance of winning. MANBALL my ass today!
What a pathetic game plan, we can promote Hoke all we want but today we basically got outcoached by Pat Narduzzi....seriously.....Al Borges had nothing for a constant blitz package? I'm sitting here watching on my TV like many other Michgan fans just waiting for an adjustment, and nothing? Really? If Brady Hoke thinks he is just going to excell with words, he is wrong, the play on the field was atroicous today, put on a headset and get involved! Denard had running lanes all game long and just waited for the pass which he couldn't achieve. I'm not claiming to be a genious, but I thought that was absolutely the worst offensive game plan I have seen since Carr was the coach and that's saying something since I thought Rich Rod was the worst Michigan coach in the history of Michigan football. Today was a disgrace, and if this is all Hoke can bring for an offensive game plan against a simple blitz package I again guessed right wishing that the only coach who could bring us back to the actual football we dream about is Les Miles......
Scott Tenorman of the week right there. Sounds like some good TWIS material. Brian?
But seriously, you fail hard at being a fan. Calling for Brady Hoke's head because he's six and one? Jesus Christ.
Rich lost by more at the Big House in '10. His squad scored three more points.
I hate seeing all of the negative talk here, we lose a game to our rivals, who arent that bad.. at all the sudden we're back to three years ago with rich rod? we don't suck. we had a rough game, and we're beaten by the better team today. But, we were a few plays away from winning the game or taking it into overtime. If Denard doesn't throw that pick and if we capitalize on one or two of those drives that started on their side of the 50... we win. I'll take being one or two plays away than getting whooped on like in the past.
We got ooutplayed and outcoached on national TV. As it turned out we were overrated. The drop in the polls, if not out of the polls will prove that out. The next three games will have to be proof that Michigan turned it around from the last three years.
If we don't beat Iowa and Illinois, this season could look way too familiar. OSU is getting stronger every week. Aside from Purdue, this team will have it's hands full in every game they have left to play.
It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine, but we still have a VERY long way to go to get back to Michigan Football.
From the OP:
" MSU supporters are thrilled about ... a team that would make Michigan fans embarrassed." """
Just like there are some classless Michigan fans, though, I know at least one MSU supporter who is embarrassed as hell by the team. I'm sure there are a lot more as well.
And you are right. The Michigan players can hold their heads high. I know I'm proud of the team and see a better future ahead.
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing”
let us wallow for the night and THEN look at the bright side...right now its time for a bottle of vodka and playing with firearmms! i'll think about the bright side when get up tommorrow and watch my Pats and Lions kick some ass!
I believe the optimism is warranted in the long term. Unfortunately, I also see some not so fun reality for next year.
Michigan was flat outplayed today. You can talk about play calling, dirty play, and wind all you want, Michigan lost this game in the trenches. (on both sides).
So, looking to next year on the Offensive line. Michigan loses Molk & Hugye. I don't see next years line being better than this years because of this, even with the extra year in the system for Lewan, Barnum, & Omameh.
On the D-Line, Michigan loses Martin, Van Bergen, & Heninger. That's 3/4 of the starting front. Even if Big Will & Roh erupt next year, I don't see the D-Line being better next year either.
FInally, QB play. I obviously have no idea what happens in practice, but based on the past two weeks QB rotation and Hoke's press conference comment about Gardner being more accurate, I'm starting to belive the coaches are questioning Denard's ability to be the long term solution. If that's the case next year's QB situation could be far less than ideal.
I reserve judgement on Borges until we see what kind of game he calls against Iowa (cover 2 just like MSU), Illinois, Nebraska, and Ohio State.
This is a long winded way of saying, it may be another year before you see a team that can go toe to toe with MSU in the trenches. This also does not bode well for playing Alabama and Notre Dame early next year either.
He lost to State. If we could finish by beating OSU, that would be fine by me.
My main concern for next year are the lines. I'm genuinely concerned we'll actually take a step back before moving forward in 2013. our o-line depth is bad. very bad. we're going to have walk-ons in the 2 deeps on teh o-line next year.
I also think Hoke's master plan is to have Gardner be the Starting QB next year...and that is why he is forcing him into games now. This i like and think will make us a more well rounded offense and take some pressure off that line. we need to use Denard as a hybrid WR/RB and get him in space as much as possible.
The future is certainly bright...but don't be surprised if there's some clouds for a while before the sky clears.
How is it that we consistently recruit better than State, but they have a better defensive line, running backs, secondary, linebackers, and equally good receivers? I don't get how this thing happens where they keep out-recruiting us and then they have more talent on the field. Seems to happen to a lot of teams. How is it that there's all these teams that manage to be complete teams despite not pulling in tons of four-stars?
I remember Brian posting in 2007 about how much Michigan State's recruiting class sucked, how the best player in their recruiting class was about as good as our 17th best player, and how Michigan State's profession was loser. How is it that that class went on to never experience a loss to Michigan?
BETTER RECRUITING Y U NO BETTER TEAM?!?!?!?!?
Look at what teams like Wisconsin and Iowa have done with lesser-ranked recruiting classes. How does it happen? Good coaching. And having a sound recruiting plan, where you're looking for players that maybe were under-recruited but fit your system well.
It doesn't just happen in the Big Ten. Look at Nebraska in their Big 12 and earlier Big 8 days, who for many years succeeded the same way, and maybe were the first to consistently do so.
A lot of factors go into building winning teams; it's not just recruiting the five star players.
As to Sparty, he feasted for 3 years on a Michigan squad that wasn't built well, certainly not defensively, for the B1G's level of competition.
And this year I think we saw the perfect storm: our offense's weaknesses played into their defense's strengths; our offense hasn't played well in bad weather, and yesterday's winds exacerbated that problem; our play-calling was Borges' worst so far (c'mon, a pass on fourth and inches in that wind with Denard having a bad day??).
Finally, I alone am responsible for the biggest mistake of all. Yes, I wore my lucky socks but also had my M hat and shirt from the last couple of years on, and frankly, I'm burning those things, never to be tempted to wear them again.
Let's face MD and his coaching staffs are good. Narduzzi is a very good coach and has the record to prove it. More importantly, MD and his staffs seem to do it with players that are not highly ranked. Check this year's defense. It is dominated by underclass men with less experience and lower ranking than our defense. Even on offense, their OL played much better than ours and none of them were highly ranked (two of them were on the DL last year).
Let's face it, the old days of dominating MSU is gone. Even if Hoke can repeat the same recruiting success in future, I believe MSU will get enough good players and has the coaches to compete with us year in and year out. I am going to go on a limp and claim that they could make it 5 in row next year.
Of course you're right. But, the standards are much higher here. Yes, it's good we are improving. Yes, it's good we are already bowl elegible. Yes, it's good we have 6 wins, beat ND, and are nationally ranked. But, the frustrating part is we still haven't had a signature big win in conference play in ages. That is oohhh so frustrating. And, until we have some beef on the lines of both sides of the ball I don't see it happening. And, that is still 2-3 years away unfortunately. Which means it's quite possible MSU takes this winning streak another 2 years. And that is hard tough pill to swallow. MSU looses Cousins & Cunningham, but returns everyone else and basically their entire defense. Yes, 2-3 years down the road when Hoke's recruits get here it will be nice. But, we still have another two years to suffer with poor conference play I think, and man I am sick of that.
Yes it hurts to lose to MSU. It hurts to lose any game. That being said, I like what this staff and these players are putting together. Having Denard try to run a pro style set is like putting a square peg in a round hole. I'm sure Denard thought about this last year when Hoke was hired. But the young man did something better than I'd say a lot of us would. He put aside the temptation to go to another school where he could put up huge numbers and make himself even more of a superstar. He decided to stay. Stay for his teammates, stay for his education, stay for his love of Michigan. Listen to Bo's Team Speech. he said we won't speak bad about each other, we'll pick each other up. This is what this Team needs now more than ever. Thanks to the OP for the thread.
and have come to the conclusion that:
1. MSU was well coached, and played smart. Whatever Denard's improvement in passing,
he use of the blitz to confuse him.
2. We will have a lot of trouble with OSU (and everybody else to some degree) if Denard doesn't progress in his passing significantly.
3. We are midstream.....can't really go back to the RR spread really At this stage of the season I doubt that will happen.
3. It will become imperative to use Gardner more, using the 'Fritz' and his relatives.
4. Even so we weren't that far from winning...........
5. Its Great to be a Wolverine!
it's we have a chance still to win the B10,we can also have a 10 win season. SHOELACE will have another off season to get better which will be scary.