'Zona RR, with a year off to reflect his failures and Casteel on staff to wrangle the posistion coaches != Michigan RR
A Full Eleven Warriors Blog on Rodriguez
I didn't have a chance to watch any of their games, but from looking at their scores, 2012 Arizona actually seemed a lot like 2010 Michigan - all O, no D. They capped off the season with a 49-48 bowl win.
they were down like 21-0 in the first half and scored 14 points in the last minute and change. It definately sounds like the same ol' RR.
BTW, recruiting head-to-head against Urban for spread athletes would have doomed RR at Michigan, if he were still around.
Really? Down by a whole bunch, and scoring 2 TD's in the last minute sounds like RR? Cause I could have sworn we were in that situation last year.....but nah, that's probably impossible
I should have included ... after giving up 48 on D.
I'm not sure that's entirely true. Michigan could have grabbed its fair share of spread athletes, and Meyer/Rodriguez seem to recruit different types of offensive linemen. Meyer wants beefy, powerful guys, while Rodriguez wants lean, athletic guys who can move. Meyer might still win out because he has the advantage of recruiting in his home state (Ohio produces better football players) but I don't think the advantage would have been particularly significant.
Yeah, I debated putting up the link. But at the end of the day, it is Michigan content, after all, and even mgoblog meta content, so I thought I'd put it up, regardless of the high potential of negbangs. It would be too rich if mods had to lock this post down.
I'd rather just sit here and watch this gif for the next 3 hours.
Half of the "content" on Eleven Warriors wouldn't last five minutes on this blog. There are a few good contributors, but for the most part, it's only a couple of steps up from RCMB.
I don't go to the site very often, but I will say the pieces their contributor "Ramzy" has posted on The Game the past couple years have been great. I would highly recommend them to fans on both sides who haven't had the chance to read them.
Yeah the front page content is decent. Everything else is awful.
You can dislike both sites but the comparison isn't necessrily apples to apples.
The main difference between Eleven Warriors and the RCMB is that one (EW) is a blog (much like MGOBlog) and the other (RCMB) is a public message board branched off from the 247sports Michigan State site (Spartan Tailgate).
Personally, i find nothing wrong with the staff-writers (or Mods if you will) for Spartan Tailgate or Eleven Warriors. It's the fans that post on the message board(s) that often define these sites and give them a bad name. For many a Sparty site is still a Sparty site and likewise for a buckeyes' site, but if you are feeling objective (we all have the gift) the writers themselves are fine or, at the very least, much like any other team-based writer.
SpartanTailgate has the (mis)fortune of being the most popular MSU site (i think?) and when that's the case, you will get plenty of the riff raff that has come to define RCMB. If you go to the message boards of GoBlueWolverine (Scout) and TheWolverine (Rivals) you will see the same thing.
MGOBlog has excellent writers and in many ways we are spoiled but there are plently of times when the MGoBoard fails to live up to the quality of thought, reason, and objectivity laid out by the staff-writers.
I have to confess, every time I see RCMB as an acronym, I know what it stands for, but in my head it gets translated to "Real Couches, Many Burnings".
I'm glad I could get that off my chest.
This will end well.
Nope, I root for Arizona now that Coach Rod is there, and my impression is that a lot of people do. Why would it irritate me for him to succeed?
I agree. Love to see him do well and perhaps the defense will come around when Casteel has a couple of years to recruit and teach the system.
I find it odd that people would feel that way.
Personally, I don't really like to be reminded of the three awful years I suffered through during RR's tenure, so I generally avoid following him (except to comment on threads like this one, naturally) just to mitigate the pain by association I would likely incur if I paid attention to him or his team.
To borrow from RR himself, I only talk about the coaches who coach for Michigan.
I think he's a good guy based on everything I read about/saw when he was in AA (including John U. Bacon's book). And he's a brilliant offensive mind. So, I like that he's back in coaching, and I wish him well.
tl:dr And I don't care.
The only way this could be worse is if you cited an article by Ace Williams about the Rich Rod post on Eleven W site that was posted on RCMB.
The level of "I don't give a crap" cannot be measured by earthly means.
Between this and the new uniform post methinks the over/under on Mgobloggers suffering lunchtime seizure's is 15.
Why? If you don't care, don't read it. I never understand why people feel the need to express their uninterestedness (new word) in threads.
I think he is saying quite the opposite.... that people will care so much they will have seizures.
No, my comment was meant for the above comment, not MGrowOld's. For some reason its not letting me respond to the Ultimate Warrior and keeps putting it under MGrow's post instead. Strange. Sorry for the confusion.
He didn't say he wasn't interested.
...... needs to die a slow, painful death. That's how blogs (and social interaction in general) work. You put something up and it is either well received, ripped apart, or something in between. The OP learns from it and is better informed for the next post.
Save us all with another diary about the time when a drunk fan decided to bother you or post one of your wife's recipes. I'll wait with bated breath.
You do realize I didnt create the post right? Your clue will be when you see a picture of my wife (not Stephen's) alongside the name "MgrowOld", not Stephen R Kass.
I am well aware of who the OP is. I tasked you with saving us from this RR redux.
Oh i get it now. Glad to help - can't beat Figgy Bread during the holidays.
Preheat oven to 350*
1 cup splenda
3 large eggs
3 1/2 cups oats
2 tsp baking powder
2 tsp cinnamon
1 Tbsp vanilla
1 cup chopped walnuts, optional
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You are one lucky man. You have to live in Ohio but I guess nothing is perfect.
It always takes me far too long to figure out if you're being sarcastic or genuine. I think it would be very interesting to know you in real life. And not "interesting" in the sarcastic form of the word. For reals.
It's doing the same thing to me, if that makes you feel any better. Weird.
and care so little that you took the time to craft a witty, 3 paragraph (granted, only 3 sentences too) post on how little crap you give and how much less you couldn't care. I'm seriously convinced of your lack of crap giving and not caring-ness.
OK. I care a little. You got me.
Damn. I just missed locking you in. I was going to say that I was impressed by you doubly caring about his crapful uncaringness.
I do care. I care deeply. That is why I took the time to post, post again, then edit the double post. If I truly didn't care, I would have - and this where a lot of "couldn't care lessers" should really pay attention - not bothered clicking the title, much less posted.
Point being...can't we just move past the whole Rodriguez thing at this point? If someone started a thread like "Should we root for Rich Rod?" it would be annoying. Someone linked a post on the Eleven Warriors site essentially asking the same thing. To me, that makes it double annoying. It's just so beat to death at this point.
I fail to see the value in it.
I would counter with the fact that I know damn well I'm not in the minority when I say I couldn't care less about the soccer content this blog unfortunately fills up with every 4 or whatever years. I'm also not one to whine about it (except for indirectly right now) because there's plenty of people that do like that stuff.
Glad I at least made it to later in the afternoon before reading this. Had a post-lunch meeting with a guy whose kid is at OSU... (Seriously, who goes to OSU for undergrad out of state?)
Doesn't this fan base have better things to do like go to class, recycle or make pizzas?
RR is a good person but just couldn't demonstrate it a way to prove himself to the fans and program. However, as a coach he fails to see his weaknesses, which is evident with Zonas defense and special teams.
was worse last year than this year. They improved moderately. They literally have no athletes on the roster and had to play 5 walk-ons when almost every defensive players were hurt. Casteel have a great track record as a DC at WVU and it will stabalize once they get their own players.
Arizona made improvement from last year where they're ranked in the 60s as opposed to ranked near dead last from the season before with Stoops
Michigan had good talent base on defense and didn't have to play a ton of freshmen.
Literally no athletes?? Vince Lombardi couldn't win under those circumstances!
Ugh. Please don't mention Casteel. It hurts too much.
Yes Hoke has somehow managed to muddle his way thru with the meh players like Denard, Kovacs, Martin, Roh, Lewan, Gardner, Ryan, Schofield, Demens, Countess, Morgan, Toussiant. RR had troubles with attrition and recruiting but it's impossible to judge since after the Freep disaster he had 1 armed tied around his back recruiting. To compare the talent he left to what he was given is mismatch considering the importance of a QB and LT to a program. RR inherited a solid defense and a disaster on offense. Hoke inherited an offense on the verge of going nuclear and a defense that consisted of Mike Martin, RVB, Roh and 20 or so freshmen or sophmores that had no idea how to play defense. Don't try and play that card.
I don't root for Arizona because I am a Michigan fan. I didn't root for Florida when assistants went there, I didn't root for Iowa when Soup went there, I didn't start rooting for Harvard because Tommy wen there.
I root for Michigan, because I am a Michigan fan.
I will reserve judgement on how well RR will do at Zona. Looks to me that his teams still refuse to play defense, so until the day comes when they are winning with D rather than O, I will think his teams relivant.
Daughter Class of 2011 LSA, son class of 2014 University of Arizona. We root for Arizona (unless they play Michigan), went to the New Mexico Bowl, were not surprised by Nevada gaining 659 yards, but cheered for the exciting finish. We will see if the UA defense improves over time, or gets progressively worse.
By my count, this post has been up for 21 minutes now and Section 1 hasn't commented. That's gotta be some sort of record.
in the mirror and say "Section 1" three times......
Also, I find it a tad ironic that the intent at snarkiness implies disdain, yet calling him out is sort of like an invitation for him to respond. If I was a shrink I'd suggest that, subconsciously, you actually yearn for his interaction.
If he loses from here on out it doesn't affect the Michigan football program, and if he wins from here on out it doesn't affect the Michigan football program. That's about all there is to say on the matter.
Unless we play them in the Rose Bowl next year.
I would love that game.
Wow, I disagree with that MgoBlog comment you blockquoted. This place had always been a bastion of Rodriguez loyalty. One would get neg-banged and howled at for daring to pipe up and question, oh I don't know, why our defensive staff didn't even use the same terminology under RR.
True, there's a contingent that is now just as fanatically loyal to Hoke, and equally unable to withstand any criticism, but it doesn't seem quite as fervent as the Rodriguez-fever this site had back in the day. Granted, that's likely because of stuff like the Freep and a part of the fanbase that never gave RR a chance.
Basically, what I'm saying is that if you really think that even MGOBLOG is somehow "anti-Rodriguez," you might be a little paranoid. This place has just moved on (well, except for His Dudeness).
All eleven warriors can kiss my ass. I couldn't care less if RR wins or loses at Arizona because Arizona football means nothing to me. The only time I will care about what Arizona does is if we play them. I do, however, find it interesting that Arizona's defense is a wretched tire fire.
I find it interesting that numerous people keep saying they don't give 2 shits how Arizona football does because it has nothing to do with Michigan....and we also have some of the same people following SDSU basketball and Eastern Michigan football closer than they would random basketball team A or random football team B. Not saying you do that specifically, I just find it interesting the negative reaction his team gets
I'm not aware of anyone making posts about SDSU basketball (why would they even do that?) or Eastern Michigan Football (Ron English?) on this site. Can you provide any examples?
when Brian Cook was about the first person anywhere to doubt the wisdom of Greg Robinson
I don't recall this being the case. In 2010, this site was really pushing the "Decimated Defense" idea (i.e., that the level of talent/experience on defense was too hopelessly low for any coach to make much of a difference). There were a few posters here who hated the Gerg hire right off the bat and were chastised away. (I know the poster who is a Syracuse grad was beside himself when we hired him.) It didn't become "acceptable" on this site to recognize that the man's defense was awful until the final weeks of RR's tenure, when it became clear that someone needed to be the fall guy.
Exactly, and then it became all about GERG, and not the inept defensive staff RR brought along with him.
More than a few. I saw the thread for the hire like last week. A lot of people hated the hire based on what he did at Cuse and with the Chiefs defense. Oh, and supporters touted Super Bowls from a decade ago, and a National Championship where he was co-DC (with none other than Gene Chizik) and that defense wasn't even that good.
But to be fair on this point I remember Brian being pretty skeptical from the very start about the hire. I don't know if he was the first, or being completely doom and gloom about it, but he rightly had some serious questions about it:
I don't want to get into how blame was divided or how it protected anyone. Just saying I have to give credit to Brian on this one.
Why in the hell do they even care about RR at this point?
I'd like to see the guy succeed. I think he's a hell of a football mind.
On the other hand, Scott Shafer's success at Syracuse irked me a good bit. I wasn't rooting against him, I just resented what that said about Michigan's program at the time.
"M Man" is the 11 Warriors version of RDT.
Every article I read over there seems to have a comment from him. I have a hard time believing that a Michigan fan spends that much time on a rival's message board.
Isn't aggravating at all. I'm actually pretty happy for him. He came into a MUCH more favorable situation in Arizona, got both of his coordinators, and most other assistants. Never mind the fact that he has spread players already at Arizona when he got there.
So yeah. Bucknut fans can think whatever they want, but I'm quite happy for Rich.
Musings of the Day: Are there always 11 warriors on both Ohio's offense and defense? For example, would Terrell Pryor be considered a "warrior" in hindsight? If not, is that blog improperly titled? Also, shouldn't it be called the "12th Warrior" since its really a fan site and not a site used by the actual athletes themselves? Talk amongst yourselves . . .
Yeah, really it should be 22 Warriors, maybe more if you include the kicker and longsnapper (the only warrior punter I can think of is Zoltan the Great). Or maybe Urban's Circle of Trust is capped at 11.
See, now we can undertake some serious analysis. Technically, if you include the defense, placekicker, punter, longsnapper, and all the "extras" that play special teams only, it could be more like 30 special warriors. And if there are 30, are they really that "special?" I mean, if 1 or 2 or 3 rise above the many, the would probably deserve the "special" title. But if you include half of the team, are each of them really "special" technically speaking?
On the other hand, I assume the Ohio blog is calling the Ohio players "special" because they believe these players to be better than the players of other teams. If that's the line of thinking, isn't that inherently flawed? I mean, a lot of the kids that play for Ohio were recruited by other top-ranked programs but many were not. Some were recruited by lesser teams or not at all (walkons). So is the owner of the blog being dishonest or simply living in dream world?
(This is obviously "off-topic" to all those that want to rate it as such - I'm trying to get away from the F--- RICHROD or RODRIGUEZ RULES discussion.)
If any other school could win a national title other than M, I wish nothing more than for it to be a RR coached team.
One thing I do wish Hoke could have done was hire a spread OC to keep the Rich Rod offense intact. I realize that might not have been possible--but I'm not so sure. And if Hoke could have pulled it off, the thought of a 2010 type of offense paired with a Mattison defense still seems to me the best of both worlds. So as Rich Rod starts to rebuild his spread & shred juggernaut in Arizona, I do think there is some merit to the idea that UM fans will become envious--especially if we continue to struggleunder Borges.
'the thought of a 2010 type of offense paired with a Mattison defense still seems to me the best of both worlds."
Urban Meyer at Florida... 2 NCs.
I only talk about coaches who coach for Michigan.
...so he is just as a legitimate topic of conversation as Schembechler, Moelller, Carr, etc.
I think you missed the joke.
The cupboard was bare for RR because LC encouraged everyone to transfer. The cupboard was 80% full for Hoke because RR encouraged players to stay. Sorry if the truth "irks you," but it is parochial at best and petty/vindictive/ignorant at worst to compare the two situations as if they were equal.
RR left Denard and Devin at QB for Hoke. Carr "left" Steven Threet and Nick Sheridan. RR had to play a majority of underclassmen his three years, while Hoke inherited a majority of upperclassmen.
Are you really trying to say that the two situations were equal?
I didn't know that Carr encouraged everyone to leave. I thought there was debate as regards Mallett, because of his (lack of) fit for RR's system/scheme. But I didn't realize that Carr told the whole team to transfer out. I'm surprised, because I never got the sense that happened.
I didn't communicate well what I wanted to say as regards the players left for the new coach. I don't take issue with the thought that Carr left the cupboard bare, and was slacking on recruiting at the end of his career. More than saying that, I wanted to express that given both the paltry OL recruiting, and how many still remain from the class of 2010 (iirc,) RR also didn't do the best job of recruiting. In other words, the situation for BOTH incoming coaches was less than ideal. Comparisons are never "apples to apples." The difference in the QB situation left RR & Hoke, in particular, is stark. But I think some of the coaching, especially in the change from Gerg to Mattison, made a vast difference. Moreover, I do have the sense that RR, more than Hoke, threw some of his players under the bus. I think, with virtually the same guys on the kicking team, for instance, Hoke has done vastly better.
Just thinking in terms of QBs, would Hoke's first season been nearly as good if Denard had split town? Likewise, had Mallett been encouraged by Carr to stick around would that have been worth a few more wins in Hoke's first year?
Hoke is only two years into his tenure whereas Rodriguez had three seasons under his belt, but at this point I don't see a huge difference between the two except one having some good luck and the other having some bad luck.
It'll be interesting to see how things play out on a longer scale, say in 10 years. It's just as that possible Rodriguez gets his defense tighten up and has success as it is that Hoke's offenses continue struggle and he is forced into a downward spiral of OC hires. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Strangely enough, Hoke and Borges might have actually preferred to have Threet over Denard at QB.
the cupboard being bare was the fact that he was under assault by Carr loyalists from the minute he took the job, whereas Hoke and Mattison were almost universally hailed as saviors. Also the restults on the field were completely opposite. Its not hard to see why RR would feel the need to be defensive about his work while Hoke did not have a similar need. Lastly, Brandon made it clear when he hired Hoke that he did not want anymore fighting between the factions so I would not have expected to Hoke to make any potentially disparaging comments and risk violating Brandon's call for unity.
All the Rodriguez years demonstrated was that no matter how strong or prestigious the athletic program, if you don't have the support of everyone behind you, it's very difficult to succeed. The fact that MIchigan is doing so much better under Hoke when everybody within the footbal program is pulling in the same direction as contrasted by the Rodriguez years, when people weren't, is not a coincidence.
Fuck Ohio State.
That is all.
Why would RR's success irritate me? The whole premise of this article is dumb.
a year or two ago 11W piece would have irritated me from both a content perspective and because it told a truth about me/us. Now? RR's effect on me is completely dissipated. I don't really care how he does in AZ.
One of the options in the "moderate" box is "redundant". I'm pretty sure that there are no thoughts on RR that shouldn't automatically register as such.
Sometimes I think everyone who writes for that blog is about 12 years old, because none of them seem to realize that there was football before 2001.
describe RichRod's time in AA. I'm glad he's gone and don't care what he does at AZ.
one way or another about RR, but because there is a strong possibility it will cause Section 1's heart to palpitate.
describe RichRod's time in AA. I'm glad he's gone and don't care what he does at AZ.
I honestly couldn't care less about Rodriguez as long as he isn't coaching here. His 3 years were probably the worst I've ever seen and ever hope to see here in terms of on field performance and off the field problems. He's gone and Thank God for Hoke.
Is correcting a stranger's word choice on the Internet a better use of time than arguing over RR again? You make the call!
If you are going to correct grammar on the internet, at least be correct.
I am glad mgoblog is still a place where dumbass mistakes are quickly corrected, even if they are my own. (However, I failed in correcting usage, not grammar.)
doesn't that suggest that he cares at least a modest amount? Which he plainly doesn't?
I made the call.
Damn, I screwed up my idioms. I am 100% in error.
But wasn't calling me stupid more fun than rehashing RR?
Fact: RR was 3-9, 5-7, 7-5 in his three years at UM.
Fact: RR's defense got worse each year.
Fact RR's offense got better each year peaking at 5th in the country.
Speculation: RR would have done better than 11-2 in 2011 as head coach of UM.
Speculation: RR would have done worse than 11-2 in 2011 as head coach of UM.
Fact: Hoke went 11-2 as head coach in 2011 and won the first BCS bowl game since 2000 Orange bowl.
Fact: Mattison made the defense go from ~117 to ~17 in the nation in one year.
I'm not looking back. Wish the best to RR and Co but I'm happy with Hoke.
for a few reasons...yes, one of them because RRod is the coach and I do have a respect for him because he is a good guy even if he wasn't the right fit for Michigan. Secondly, because any success they have and potentially take more of a bite out of USC's ass is fine with me. And three... this:
Oh, you're going the right way for a smack bottom, and I don't care who knows it!
Wow! That is an impressive use of the English language. (sorry, I couldn't resist)
Counter-point: Rodriguez gave us Denard, one of the most exciting players in Michigan football history (if not the most), so he's okay in my book.
This discussion is so last year.
I feel that, under different conditions, he could have found success at Michigan. As things were, he never stood a chance. I feel no ill will towards him and I do hope he does well at Arizona.... unless somewhere down the line he ends up playing against Michigan of course.
....And even I I know better than to start an RR-centric thread on MGoblog. I've seen many variations of that story and it never ends well. That scab is not going to heal with people continuing to pick at it. As it is, it may never heal.
I did get a chuckle from your disclaimer later down the thread that you feel this was board worthy, since it involved Michigan. Are you really surprised to find Michigan related material during your regular lurkings at 11 Warriors? I would be astonished if you didn't. That's kind of what fans do. They talk about their rivals.... but are any of that blog's offerings really interesting enough to be shared over here? I think not. That article was meant for an OSU audience. Michigan fans are naturally going to recieve it differently.
1. No one should care what Eleven Woh-yahs thinks.
2. RR isn't the coach here anymore. We all know RR managed to piss of about 1/2 of the former players (and from what I can tell, the previous coach). Unlikely he intended to, but he did. The losing, and the non-existant defense only made everything worse.
RR will likely do well at Arizona. I hope he does.
We have Hoke, and he's doing well. The only flaw I have seen so far is Borge's questionable usage of Denard, and perhaps some issues with recruiting WR's and RB's. Considering where this program was just 2 years ago, those are problems I can deal with.
After reading much of the posts there, there was inherent RR praising and Hoke bashing. Now why do you think that is.. Gee Eleven Warriors.. let's see... probably because The Game was largely irrelevant during the RR tenure and you secretly LOVE it that way. So don't get on your high horses spouting off how much you respect RR then blindly bash Hoke. Now that we have Hoke, you bash him because you are scared we're going to put up a good challenge for the years to come.
I'm sorry I've read alot of Eleven Warrior forum posts and it screams, "I have the intellience quotient of a middle schooler" and the insults to boot.
I think it rubbed off
Because I don't remember using "Suck Eyes" and every other middle schoolish insult in my post ala Eleven Warriors such as "Walmart Wolverine", "TSUN", "scUM," or how they refer to Hoke as fat, etc. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror before you criticize.
Good job on trying to be witty, you almost got there.
Nah, I'm just yanking your chain.
As a less snarky version of what I'm trying to say, what separates MGoBlog from other sports sites out there is that the quality of posts is really high around here. That includes proper grammar and punctuation. I found your post a little difficult to read because of some rather odd sentence constructions (and a strange use of "inherent"). I'm thinking that use of more commas might help (for serious). Readability is paramount.
Welcome to the blog by the way!
To be fair I was at work and probably didn't go over it as thoroughly as one could have. Last thing I want to do is come off as a forum poster from that site so I fell for it Lol. Thanks for being gentle sir!
I think you're being just a little too critical. Other than the slight misuse of the word inherent, I found the structure of his post to be more conversational than "formal" which is its own style of readability. Nothing wrong with that, imo. Readability is paramount, but so is getting your point across, which I think he did just fine.
Time and time again:
Rodriguez simply showed up at the exact wrong time. His failure here was a combination of his own choices, his predecessor and outside factors that made Michigan football toxic.
For me, I'll cheer for Arizona because RR coaches as exciting an offense as there is (and he seems like a much better guy than most of the Michigan fans I know). Once Casteel gets settled in (Arizona went from 115th to 88th in YPP in year one), they will be fine. People on here act like his defenses haven't been good to excellent his entire career, as if the numbers aren't skewed by the fact he's spent most of his time playing with speed spread offenses. They were a handful of stops away from being 10-2.
My biggest worry: That Urban Meyer is going to do exactly what we thought RR was going to do, mainly because he arrived at the exact right time, with full support and got to bring the DC of his choice along with him. Its going to be maddening if that is the case.
I normally don't care about posting a thread topic, but if posters want to read Ohio blogs, they can do it without creating a thread about it. Especially this.
I really debated whether or not it was worth posting the link. I knew upfront that if I posted:
- It would be negged.
- Some people would moan, "not this again."
- Some would defend RR
- Some would say, "who cares what Ohio thinks."
- Some would say "good riddance."
The thing is, their post was completely about RR. And there was more than a passing reference to Brian Cook. And MGoBlog.
So, I decided to throw it out there, 'cause the negs don't really matter.
Here's the thing that intrigues me, and that really hasn't been addressed yet in the thread: is RR a template for what will happen with Urban Meyer? I think that some at Ohio are worried about what the future will bring under Urbs. And I myself am really interested to see what happens in 2014 and beyond, after our OL has taken hold and we have 3 full classes of Hoke recruits on campus. I'm looking forward to what the future brings for Michigan, and also think that Meyer is not going to be all that for Ohio.
I couldn't agree more about Meyer at Ohio. I've said it time and time again and still feel the same way. There might be a day a few years down the road that they will regret hiring him. Maybe not next year, or the year after, but when they look back and say, "Well, we took a shot and we got burned.
A guy like him and the controversy under which he left Florida...I don't think he'll necessarily change who he is just because he's wearing different colors now.
Time will tell, though.
I'm not sure OSU fans will ever regret Urbie altogether - 12-0 for their win-at-all-cost mentality is justification. They may regret the turmoil and losses in a few years. Not sorry they did it, but sorry for "getting caught".
Urbie's Achilles Heel is a "superstar program". He believes, recruits and pampers a group of playmakers to execute his scheme. Over time, he'll have some bad apples in the special group and discord in the general ranks. Lucky for him, Braxton seems like a humble and decent guy who won't abuse his platform and it might take a few years for the wrong mixture.
When the bad apples occur, Urbie is tortured by the realization that his program is actually threatened by the superstars forming the foundation. The program and Urbie start to rot from within.
He'll win for 4-5 years and we'll watch for the implosion ...
Meyer will fail because he recruits too many superstar players? Come on.
I don't see any objective reason why Meyer shouldn't do well in Columbus, unfortunately. I just hope UM can do a little better.
He said that the superstars will be pampered and it will have a negative impact on the team and himself.
And I don't see an objective reason either, but its just a feeling I have that he will create situations that cause internal conflict, such as the aforementioned pampered superstars. Its one of the critcisms of his tenure at Florida, along with overlooking certain transgressions by certain players. Sound like any other former Ohio coaches we know?
" Lucky for him, Braxton seems like a humble and decent guy" -- Yes, and lets raise a glass to hoping he declares after his junior year.
This just strikes me as wishful thinking (or, how I learned to stop worrying and love the Urban Meyer hire).
Considering the automatic grain-of-salt mindset one must assume with the source, I think it was a fairly even-handed article. Not especially enlightening, but sort of interesting to see it from the Ohio mindset.
11 Warriors smug uppiness about how they would never talk about whether a football coach is a Buckeye man or never fully support a coach is sure to come back and haunt them sooner or later. I live in Ohio, and I heard for years all the comments about Cooper's lack of knowing what it meant to be a Buckeye and how he never understood the UM vs OSU rivalry as he went 2-10-01 over his time period there. When Tressel was hired, all I heard about was how he understood the rivalry and was an Ohio man and blah, blah, blah.........Now, after going 12-0 following their 6-7 tire fire season, they know everything.....Payback is coming in 2013 boys, when we beat the dastardly Buckeyes twice, once in A2 and once in Indianapolis!
I'm all kinds of mad at Rodriguez for some of the things he did at Michigan...
...but I'm still rooting for him out there at Arizona. Wherever Michigan is ranked in the polls, though, I'd like Arizona to be at least one spot behind.
WVU and he should do OK at Arizona. RR encountered a tough political situation in AA (Brandon cites the intransigence in the AD) and RR made mistakes to compound the struggle (RR admits it).
The 3 years were disappointing for everyone. I'm sure RR lost more sleep than any of us during a 3-9 season.
RR isn't coming back. 3-9 isn't coming back. Everyone is in a better situation. Onward.
I have observed two diferent threads. There are those who claim R^2 is not a story and they do not care. And others who declare that R^2 was just not a good fit for some reason. The level of R^2's success at other programs is meaningful to me because if his success at Arizona is equivalent to West Virginia then the question is not whether R^2 was a good fit but what is wrong at Michigan.
This may seem to be a silly question but there once was a great company called General Motors. GM onced owned 50% of the NA automobile market. They thought they were the best and were ruled by insiders. An outsider was never considered for a fresh perspective because he would not be a good fit. GM had a long way to fall, but fall they did. If the rulers and shakers of Michigan football treat themselves like 19th century European royalty where the only acceptable marriage material is your cousin from Bulgaria, questioning whether a long fall is possible is a reasonable one to me.
In my opinion if this team had been stuck back in 2009 or 2010 it would at best be a .500 team. The only reason why it will not be a .500 team next year is the Big10 might arguablly be the weakest of all the major conferences. When beating NW at home is your signature victory and you still are unable to recruit a blue chip RB or WR tells me that something is still amiss. Is it bad luck or are the old boys out of touch with todays recruits. If Green selects Michigan that concern will be less. Some presume it is inevitbale that dominating seasons are inevitable. But I would warn so did the board and their cronys also believe such destiny at GM back in the 80ties and 90ties. We will be back at 50% market share in no time, I meant 40%, actually 30.
So when I hear the words not a good fit for a person who succeeds everywhere but here, I shudder.