A Full Eleven Warriors Blog on Rodriguez

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December 18th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
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A Full Eleven Warriors Blog on Rodriguez

So, I haven't been to Eleven Warriors, one of the better Ohio blogs, for about a month, or before the game in Columbus. I happened to run over, and whaddaya know, they have a full column by Johnny Ginter focusing on Rich Rodriguez and Michigan.

LINK:  http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/12/17692/the-rodriguez-redemption#more

I guess this is what you can expect when they are going through a bowl ban and have nothing to write about in terms of Ohio football. The piece has been up for a day or so, is about Michigan, and actually references mgoblog and Brian several times. For some of you, it will be an interesting read.

I'm not going to put a whole bunch of quotes in:  if you're interested, go to the link. If you're not, well, I didn't waste your time. Basically, Ginter goes through the whole thing of Rodriguez being a decent coach who made some missteps, was never given a real chance by Michigan, being both mistreated and having some rotten luck.

However, I'll put in two quotes that were intriguing.

So now you have a choice, Buckeye fans. Do you root for the guy, knowing that each successive victory angers the Wolverine fanbase in a vague, irritating way? Or do you root against him, forcing him to walk the earth as a shadow, forever branded with the mark of Cain that is Michigan football?

You can link to see which way Ginter goes.

The other quote is from a Michigan fan in the comments, regarding our blog:

You could send MGoBlog into a complete meltdown with this post.  Not because it is in any way inflammatory; it isn't.  But because anything related to Rodriguez now seems to divide Michigan fans.  Through no fault whatsoever of Brian Cook (always fair to Rodriguez, and sometimes critical of Rodriguez such as when Brian Cook was about the first person anywhere to doubt the wisdom of Greg Robinson), the mostly anti-Rodriguez MGo readership -- with many notable exceptions -- sort of convulses in a denial of service attack whenever Rodriguez's name comes up.

I kind of agree with this analysis, and can see why Brian wants to just roll his eyes, disappear, and put his fingers in his ears when RR comes up . . . "LA LA LA LA LA LA I Can't hear you LA LA LA LA have you gone away yet LA LA LA LA LA."

Hopefully we'll be able to have rational and non-meltdown discourse on RR at some point in the future.

One thing for sure (unrelated to the Eleven Warriors Blog) is a terrible legacy of RR:  his recruiting, even for the different "spread" scheme, has set Michigan back, and left Hoke at a disadvantage. It irks me to have heard the "cupboard bare" complaints about Carr, when Hoke and Mattison and Borges have not complained once (that I've seen) about the players they inherited, but have made do and coached them up.

"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi

 

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December 18th, 2012 at 2:01 PM | At the End of Day (Score:2 Normal)
CRex
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'Zona RR, with a year off to reflect his failures and Casteel on staff to wrangle the posistion coaches != Michigan RR

December 18th, 2012 at 2:28 PM | I didn't have a chance to (Score:5 Normal)
jmblue
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I didn't have a chance to watch any of their games, but from looking at their scores, 2012 Arizona actually seemed a lot like 2010 Michigan - all O, no D.  They capped off the season with a 49-48 bowl win.

 

December 18th, 2012 at 2:34 PM | And, in hat Bowl win, (Score:5 Normal)
jblaze
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they were down like 21-0 in the first half and scored 14 points in the last minute and change. It definately sounds like the same ol' RR.

BTW, recruiting head-to-head against Urban for spread athletes would have doomed RR at Michigan, if he were still around.

"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt

December 18th, 2012 at 3:09 PM | Really? Down by a whole (Score:5 Normal)
Lionsfan
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Really? Down by a whole bunch, and scoring 2 TD's in the last minute sounds like RR? Cause I could have sworn we were in that situation last year.....but nah, that's probably impossible

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

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December 18th, 2012 at 4:09 PM | Touche, (Score:5 Normal)
jblaze
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I should have included ... after giving up 48 on D.

"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt

December 19th, 2012 at 9:09 AM | I'm not sure that's entirely (Score:2)
Magnus
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I'm not sure that's entirely true.  Michigan could have grabbed its fair share of spread athletes, and Meyer/Rodriguez seem to recruit different types of offensive linemen.  Meyer wants beefy, powerful guys, while Rodriguez wants lean, athletic guys who can move.  Meyer might still win out because he has the advantage of recruiting in his home state (Ohio produces better football players) but I don't think the advantage would have been particularly significant.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: May 20

December 18th, 2012 at 2:48 PM | Bowl Game? (Score:3 Normal)
raiderblue
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I'm not sure the New Mexico Bowl really counts as a bowl game, other than by technicality. I guess that's what having the 118th ranked defense can get you in the PAC. 

 

http://statistics.ncaafootball.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=ncaa-football&pa...

December 18th, 2012 at 2:01 PM | this should be interesting (Score:5 Normal)
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December 18th, 2012 at 2:06 PM | Yeah, I debated putting up the link (Score:2 Normal)
StephenRKass
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Yeah, I debated putting up the link. But at the end of the day, it is Michigan content, after all, and even mgoblog meta content, so I thought I'd put it up, regardless of the high potential of negbangs. It would be too rich if mods had to lock this post down.

"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi

 

December 18th, 2012 at 4:26 PM | I'd rather just sit here and (Score:5 Normal)
zeda_p
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I'd rather just sit here and watch this gif for the next 3 hours.

December 18th, 2012 at 4:45 PM | Agreed (Score:2 Normal)
StephenRKass
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Can never have too much Scarlett.

"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi

 

December 18th, 2012 at 7:52 PM | As long as there's no gray. (Score:5 Normal)
Blarvey
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As long as there's no gray.

December 18th, 2012 at 2:05 PM | NVM (Score:1)
Messenger Puppet
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fixed

December 18th, 2012 at 2:08 PM | Half of the "content" on (Score:5 Normal)
TheGhostofYost
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Half of the "content" on Eleven Warriors wouldn't last five minutes on this blog.  There are a few good contributors, but for the most part,  it's only a couple of steps up from RCMB.

December 18th, 2012 at 2:25 PM | I've only been there a handful of times.. (Score:2 Normal)
vnperk
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I don't go to the site very often, but I will say the pieces their contributor "Ramzy" has posted on The Game the past couple years have been great. I would highly recommend them to fans on both sides who haven't had the chance to read them.

December 18th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | Yeah the front page content (Score:1)
TheGhostofYost
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Yeah the front page content is decent. Everything else is awful.

December 18th, 2012 at 3:58 PM | You can dislike both sites (Score:4 Normal)
Awkward_Amalgamation
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You can dislike both sites but the comparison isn't necessrily apples to apples.

The main difference between Eleven Warriors and the RCMB is that one (EW) is a blog (much like MGOBlog) and the other  (RCMB) is a public message board branched off from the 247sports Michigan State site (Spartan Tailgate).

Personally, i find nothing wrong with the staff-writers (or Mods if you will) for Spartan Tailgate or Eleven Warriors. It's the fans that post on the message board(s) that often define these sites and give them a bad name. For many a Sparty site is still a Sparty site and likewise for a buckeyes' site, but if you are feeling objective (we all have the gift) the writers themselves are fine or, at the very least, much like any other team-based writer.

SpartanTailgate has the (mis)fortune of being the most popular MSU site (i think?) and when that's the case, you will get plenty of the riff raff that has come to define RCMB. If you go to the message boards of GoBlueWolverine (Scout) and TheWolverine (Rivals) you will see the same thing.

MGOBlog has excellent writers and in many ways we are spoiled but there are plently of times when the MGoBoard fails to live up to the quality of thought, reason, and objectivity laid out by the staff-writers.

"By a tranquil mind, i mean a well-ordered one." -MA

December 19th, 2012 at 8:52 AM | I have to confess, every time (Score:1)
SituationSoap
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I have to confess, every time I see RCMB as an acronym, I know what it stands for, but in my head it gets translated to "Real Couches, Many Burnings".

 

I'm glad I could get that off my chest.

December 18th, 2012 at 2:04 PM | This will end well. (Score:3 Normal)
MGoneBlue
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This will end well.

December 18th, 2012 at 2:08 PM | So now you have a choice, Buckeye fans. (Score:5 Normal)
Erik_in_Dayton
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Nope, I root for Arizona now that Coach Rod is there, and my impression is that a lot of people do.  Why would it irritate me for him to succeed? 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

December 18th, 2012 at 3:10 PM | I agree.  Love to see him do (Score:4 Normal)
jbibiza
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I agree.  Love to see him do well and perhaps the defense will come around when Casteel has a couple of years to recruit and teach the system.

jbibiza

December 18th, 2012 at 6:46 PM | I find it odd that people (Score:2 Normal)
Logan88
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I find it odd that people would feel that way.

Personally, I don't really like to be reminded of the three awful years I suffered through during RR's tenure, so I generally avoid following him (except to comment on threads like this one, naturally) just to mitigate the pain by association I would likely incur if I paid attention to him or his team.

To borrow from RR himself, I only talk about the coaches who coach for Michigan.

We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!

December 18th, 2012 at 7:01 PM | Coach Rod (Score:3 Normal)
Erik_in_Dayton
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I think he's a good guy based on everything I read about/saw when he was in AA (including John U. Bacon's book).  And he's a brilliant offensive mind.  So, I like that he's back in coaching, and I wish him well. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

December 18th, 2012 at 2:12 PM | tl:dr And I don't care.  (Score:5 Normal)
Lazer with a Z
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tl:dr And I don't care. 

The only way this could be worse is if you cited an article by Ace Williams about the Rich Rod post on Eleven W site that was posted on RCMB. 

The level of "I don't give a crap" cannot be measured by earthly means. 

Strive to win. If you lose....win. 

December 18th, 2012 at 2:10 PM | Between this and the new (Score:1 Normal)
mGrowOld
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Between this and the new uniform post methinks the over/under on Mgobloggers suffering lunchtime seizure's is 15.

 

 

December 18th, 2012 at 2:29 PM | Why?  If you don't care, (Score:5 Normal)
profitgoblue
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Why?  If you don't care, don't read it.  I never understand why people feel the need to express their uninterestedness (new word) in threads.

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

December 18th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | I think he is saying quite (Score:2)
k1400
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I think he is saying quite the opposite.... that people will care so much they will have seizures.

I will fight 'til I am dead, a winged helmet on my head.

December 18th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | No, my comment was meant for (Score:1 Normal)
profitgoblue
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No, my comment was meant for the above comment, not MGrowOld's.  For some reason its not letting me respond to the Ultimate Warrior and keeps putting it under MGrow's post instead.  Strange.  Sorry for the confusion.

 

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

December 18th, 2012 at 2:31 PM | He didn't say he wasn't (Score:1 Redundant)
SirJack II
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He didn't say he wasn't interested.

December 18th, 2012 at 8:37 PM | "If you don't like it, don't read it" (Score:3 Normal)
Bosch
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...... needs to die a slow, painful death.  That's how blogs (and social interaction in general) work.  You put something up and it is either well received, ripped apart, or something in between.  The OP learns from it and is better informed for the next post.

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

December 18th, 2012 at 2:41 PM | Save us all with another (Score:1 Normal)
Nosce Te Ipsum
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Save us all with another diary about the time when a drunk fan decided to bother you or post one of your wife's recipes. I'll wait with bated breath.

Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.

December 18th, 2012 at 3:14 PM | You do realize I didnt create (Score:1 Normal)
mGrowOld
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You do realize I didnt create the post right?  Your clue will be when you see a picture of my wife (not Stephen's) alongside the name "MgrowOld", not Stephen R Kass.

 

 

 

December 18th, 2012 at 4:05 PM | I am well aware who the OP (Score:3 Normal)
Nosce Te Ipsum
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I am well aware of who the OP is. I tasked you with saving us from this RR redux. 

Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.

December 18th, 2012 at 4:11 PM | Oh i get it now.  Glad to (Score:2 Normal)
mGrowOld
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Oh i get it now.  Glad to help - can't beat Figgy Bread during the holidays.

Figgy Bread
Preheat oven to 350*
Ingredients:
1 cup splenda
3 large eggs
3 1/2 cups oats
2 tsp baking powder
2 tsp cinnamon
1 Tbsp vanilla
1 cup chopped walnuts, optional
Recipe Mix:
Olive oil spray a brownie baking pan. In a large bowl, blend eggs and sugar. In a smaller bowl, blend oats, baking powder and cinnamon. Now mix smaller bowl with larger bowl and add the vanilla, stir well. Nuts optional. Scoop batter into baking pan. Bake 24 minutes, open oven and flip around and bake another 6 minutes. Should be golden brown, this is absolutely delicious figgy treat!

 

 

December 18th, 2012 at 4:14 PM | You are one lucky man. You (Score:4 Normal)
Nosce Te Ipsum
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You are one lucky man. You have to live in Ohio but I guess nothing is perfect. 

Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.

December 18th, 2012 at 8:37 PM | 1 cup of Splenda? (Score:2 Normal)
inthebluelot
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Let me know how eating that much Splenda works out for you in 10 years.  I thought you guys were health nuts?  May want to go back to sugar before it's too late.

December 18th, 2012 at 4:15 PM | It always takes me far too (Score:4 Normal)
profitgoblue
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It always takes me far too long to figure out if you're being sarcastic or genuine.  I think it would be very interesting to know you in real life.  And not "interesting" in the sarcastic form of the word.  For reals.

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

December 18th, 2012 at 4:31 PM | Your compliments continue to (Score:4 Normal)
Nosce Te Ipsum
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Your compliments continue to inflate an already enormous ego.

Omnia mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.

December 18th, 2012 at 5:27 PM | Why did I get labeled (Score:1 Normal)
profitgoblue
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Why did I get labeled "flamebait?"  I was being serious.

 

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

December 18th, 2012 at 2:42 PM | Testing. Testing. WTF? (Score:2 Funny)
profitgoblue
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Testing. Testing.

WTF?

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

December 18th, 2012 at 3:36 PM | It's doing the same thing to (Score:2)
Lazer with a Z
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It's doing the same thing to me, if that makes you feel any better. Weird. 

Strive to win. If you lose....win. 

December 18th, 2012 at 3:24 PM | You give so little crap, (Score:5 Normal)
lbpeley
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and care so little that you took the time to craft a witty, 3 paragraph (granted, only 3 sentences too) post on how little crap you give and how much less you couldn't care. I'm seriously convinced of your lack of crap giving and not caring-ness.

December 18th, 2012 at 3:38 PM | OK. I care a little. You got (Score:3 Normal)
Lazer with a Z
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OK. I care a little. You got me. 

Strive to win. If you lose....win. 

December 18th, 2012 at 3:29 PM | double post (Score:2)
lbpeley
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hinkey

December 18th, 2012 at 3:33 PM | Damn.  I just missed locking (Score:1 Normal)
profitgoblue
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Damn.  I just missed locking you in.  I was going to say that I was impressed by you doubly caring about his crapful uncaringness.

 

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

December 18th, 2012 at 4:05 PM | But you see, PGB, (Score:3 Funny)
lbpeley
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I do care. I care deeply. That is why I took the time to post, post again, then edit the double post. If I truly didn't care, I would have - and this where a lot of "couldn't care lessers" should really pay attention - not bothered clicking the title, much less posted.

December 18th, 2012 at 3:37 PM | Point being...can't we just (Score:3 Normal)
Lazer with a Z
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Point being...can't we just move past the whole Rodriguez thing at this point? If someone started a thread like "Should we root for Rich Rod?" it would be annoying. Someone linked a post on the Eleven Warriors site essentially asking the same thing. To me, that makes it double annoying. It's just so beat to death at this point. 

 

I fail to see the value in it. 

Strive to win. If you lose....win. 

December 18th, 2012 at 4:10 PM | I see your point. (Score:3 Normal)
lbpeley
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I would counter with the fact that I know damn well I'm not in the minority when I say I couldn't care less about the soccer content this blog unfortunately fills up with every 4 or whatever years. I'm also not one to whine about it (except for indirectly right now) because there's plenty of people that do like that stuff. 

December 18th, 2012 at 7:44 PM | Glad I at least made it to (Score:1)
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Glad I at least made it to later in the afternoon before reading this. Had a post-lunch meeting with a guy whose kid is at OSU... (Seriously, who goes to OSU for undergrad out of state?)

Polonium 210 is the new dilithium.

December 18th, 2012 at 2:14 PM | Doesn't this fan base have (Score:1 Normal)
NFG
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Doesn't this fan base have better things to do like go to class, recycle or make pizzas?



RR is a good person but just couldn't demonstrate it a way to prove himself to the fans and program. However, as a coach he fails to see his weaknesses, which is evident with Zonas defense and special teams.

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