In reply to by boliver46

ijohnb

April 3rd, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^

thing was so slimy.  The prosecuting attorney might as well have released the following statement: "We are declining to prosecute Mr. Winston because we find him to be badass and we want the Seminoles to bring home the title."  At least then I would have appreciated the candor.

boliver46

April 3rd, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^

This was the University's finding that is a steaming pile of Dogsh*t:

 

The administrators concluded that without Winston's cooperation there was insufficient evidence to support a finding of a Title IX violation at that time, but that "conduct code charges could be issued" if additional information about the incident became available.

MI Expat NY

April 3rd, 2014 at 3:23 PM ^

There's nothing particularly new here.  The two roommates are being charged for their conduct which they stated occurred in sworn affidavits as part of the criminal investigation.  Those affidavits were the "eye-witness" testimony that Winston's attorney argued cleared Winston of any rape allegations.

I'd be surprised if the purported victim participates in any FSU investigation.  I think at this point, with Winston likely to be a millionaire, she's likely to wait and pursue it in the civil courts.  

Everyone Murders

April 3rd, 2014 at 3:32 PM ^

This is good to see in part because there's every appearance that the local authorities did an atrocious job investigating this claim at the time of the incident.  And because it helps educate the world-at-large about the difference between a Title IX investigation and a criminal investigation.  And because it gets the sports-attentive audience thinking about what "rape" really means, and gets people thinking that consent needs to be clear-headed and unambivalent.

And it's also good to see because from the outside Winston seems like a budding Roethlisberger - a self-entitled athlete who thinks he operates by different rules.  In part because the FSU / Milledgeville law enforcement systems [respectively] treated them differently than they would treat other men. 

And it's interesting that the roommate videotaped the incident, but then decided to ditch his phone and destroy the SD card.  That has the fresh smell of "destruction of evidence" on it to me.

Finally, it's good to see that these Title IX investigations are occurring at more campuses and is not a problem unique to B1G schools.  (Even better would be if these events didn't happen, of course.)

a2_electricboogaloo

April 3rd, 2014 at 3:36 PM ^

Casher also said he'd walked into the room "to see if the female would agree to allow Casher to participate in the sex acts that were occurring." Denied, he filmed the two having sex on his cell phone. He told investigators he'd deleted the video and discarded the phone.

Wtf

Vote_Crisler_1937

April 3rd, 2014 at 5:02 PM ^

Two of my freshman teammates were celebrating completing an "Eiffel Tower" on a girl in their dorm. I'm sure some faction of guys, athlete and non-athlete alike, are into this sort of thing. You just hope it's always consensual and regret free. Sadly in these cases it seems to be much worse than consensually enjoyable by all.

gbdub

April 3rd, 2014 at 8:13 PM ^

There have been several cases where men have used cellphone recordings to escape false rape accusations. So either this guy who destroyed the video is monumentally stupid, suddenly grew a conscience about porn filmed without permission, or the video is incriminating.

Which is more likely is left as an exercise for the reader.

NOLA Wolverine

April 3rd, 2014 at 3:49 PM ^

"Casher also said he'd walked into the room "to see if the female would agree to allow Casher to participate in the sex acts that were occurring." Denied, he filmed the two having sex on his cell phone."

Glad to see he took that rejection in stride. 

 

EDIT: Appears I'm not the first one here to point this quote out, but this deserves to be read twice.

MichiganMan14

April 3rd, 2014 at 3:54 PM ^

This whole ordeal was spawned by the University of Florida and their alumni...of whom the girl in question's lawyer was a law student there. Her story was complete bull. College guys display sexually deviant behavior and it's not excusable especially when criminal. If you think Seminole football players taking pics of chics and running trains is the end of the rabbit hole....sorry I'll spare you what goes on in Frat houses across the country. I don't understand why people continue to try a play judge and jury especially when these allegations are found a cross the country and even in Ann Arbor. Jameis did not rape that girl. There was not even enough evidence for a charge....and that was at the hands of Willie Meigs who has charged numerous FSU players in the past. Stop running with these TMZ and Dead spin articles. They are sully and contrary to the truth.

UM2k1

April 3rd, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^

The victim's lawyer went to Florida...that is your reasoning that this story must be false.  That and "what goes on in Frat houses across the country"?  In case you didn't pay attention to the whole Gibbons fiasco a couple months ago, just because someone isn't charged for a sexual assault, doesn't mean one didn't occur.  

UM2k1

April 3rd, 2014 at 7:28 PM ^

My comment was to highlight that, as in the gibbons case, a lack of charges =/= no assault. The post stated
- it was a UF vendetta
- no charges were brought, so Winston didn't do anything wrong
- it happens everywhere so it is ok

My point was to make fun of 1 & 3, and counter 2.

Bluefishdoc

April 3rd, 2014 at 4:14 PM ^

60 minutes is doing a story comparing the Gibbons case here at U of M to the Winston FSU case. I'm guessing that motivated FSU to try and save face.