Friday B1G Expansion and Coaching Changes Thread

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Friday B1G Expansion and Coaching Changes Thread

General discussion thread, but some interesting points. First, on the B1G Expansion, Barry Alvarez candidly said that Penn State was thinking of leaving the B1G (no idea why, the B1G doesn't have an exit fee, as schools make more money in the B1G than they can elsewhere) and the additions of Maryland and Rutgers were somewhat to placate PSU.

Barry also said that an additional school was interested, but told "No thanks" due to academic concerns.

This according to multiple people on Twitter.

Also, with Butch Jones out at Cincy, MSU DC Narduzzi is their leading candidate.

Also, this picture was tweeted out by (EDIT, a FAKE account, but still, in my heart I believe that's a picture of him) Brett Bielema about growing up on a Pig Farm

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:15 PM | If that is true about Penn (Score:5 Normal)
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If that is true about Penn St., then they should have let them leave.

December 7th, 2012 at 4:20 PM | I agree (Score:3 Normal)
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I wonder where PSU would have headed? Unless it's the ACC it's not like they had a good place to go. And they would have taken a paycut. and as we've seen, it's not like schools aren't lining up to join the B1G.

My guess is it's Louisville who wanted to join but was told "no" due to academics. Thus they headed to the ACC.

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

December 7th, 2012 at 6:14 PM | Penn State (Score:3 Normal)
raleighwood
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I live in ACC country and know a bunch of Penn State people.  Obviously, these are just fans but a lot of them would like to be in the ACC.  I realize that PSU covers the entire state of PA but from a Philly perspective, BC, Maryland, UVA, and VA Tech (and now 'Cuse and Pitt) are all closer than any B1G campus.  UNC, NCSU and Duke aren't far behind.

One of them something to effect of "We have 10,000 alumni in the Carolinas.  We have 50 in Iowa".

In addition to all of that, they CONSTANTLY feel screwed by the B1G refs.  This is just natural fan whining....but it's part of the equation.

In the end, PSU is more culturally aligned with The B1G than it is the ACC.  They'll be around for a long time and be a great contributor to the conference (after they've paid for transgressions).

 

 

 

December 7th, 2012 at 6:48 PM | In addition to all of that, (Score:1 Overrated)
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In addition to all of that, they CONSTANTLY feel screwed by the B1G refs. This is just natural fan whining....but it's part of the equation.

It's really cute how they think the ACC would solve that problem. I would hate to disabuse them of their innocence, but one basketball game against Duke or Carolina, or with Karl Hess involved, and they'll rue every bad thing they said about B1G reffing.

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December 7th, 2012 at 8:21 PM | Ya but they could just chalk (Score:3 Normal)
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Ya but they could just chalk up b-ball losses to not having a chance in hell. 

December 7th, 2012 at 7:03 PM | God knows there are way too (Score:1)
j.o.s.e maizenblue
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God knows there are way too many PA transplants in the Raleigh area... They have the fanbase down here, but like you said PSU is more culturally aligned to the B1G and I think financially its a wiser decision to stick with the B1G... if a move like that were to happen though, it would be a boost in football for the ACC and help keep schools, like FSU, from considering to leave the conference. If the price was right, you never know?!

December 7th, 2012 at 7:29 PM | Some of the numbers on PSU alums (Score:2 Normal)
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25.5 K alums in NJ, 22.5 in MD + DC, and 21.5 in VA.

 

That compares to 26.0 K alums in the eight non-PA Big Ten states COMBINED.  11.0 K of those live in Ohio.

 

Good point though that PSU aligns better culturally with the Big Ten vs. the ACC.  And schools like Maryland, Virginia and even UNC are becoming more "Northern" over time.  I was in Charlottesville this past September, I can easily see them as a cultural fit into the Big Ten.

December 7th, 2012 at 7:38 PM | I can't. (Score:2)
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I can't.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

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December 7th, 2012 at 9:01 PM | just curious (Score:2)
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Why not?  I've lived here for a year.5 (Cville), and am not that struck by the southern-ness.  I kind of agree that it seems a bit like other big ten college towns like Ann Arbor or Bloomington.

I do think the folks over the mountain, so to say, are bit different then a typical big tenner, but I mean so are the folks out in the woods in southern indiana, northern michigan, wisconsin, etc.

December 7th, 2012 at 9:32 PM | In four years there I never (Score:2)
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In four years there I never once got the impression that the Midwest was anything but a foreign curiosity.  It may not be completely "southern" but if it's not, it's East Coast thanks to all the northern VA, MD, and NJ kids populating the school.  I mean, you could say that it's like Bloomington or Ann Arbor but you could just as easily say that it's like Athens, Chapel Hill, or Oxford.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

- Mark Dantonio

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December 7th, 2012 at 9:37 PM | yeah (Score:2)
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you're right.  They are east coast-y.  The undergrads are very boat-shoes-wearing, shirt-ironing, types.  I guess maybe I don't notice that much because I only deal with dirty beard wearing grad student engineers.

December 7th, 2012 at 6:45 PM | Totally agree. I wasn't on (Score:2 Normal)
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Totally agree. I wasn't on the "kick them out" bandwagon when the penalties were coming down in the spring, but adding Maryland and Rutgers just to keep them happy? They're a program in long-term decline. I like them in the conference, but I'd rather flip them for a school like Pittsburgh that might be a mild downgrade than seriously dilute the conference like this. 

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December 7th, 2012 at 7:03 PM | I'll bet the thought process (Score:4 Normal)
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I'll bet the thought process is that if PSU is unhappy, they'll go to the ACC.  And if they go to the ACC, the ACC becomes WAY harder to poach.  It would complicate things in so many ways:

- Their presence would flip the whole state of Pennsylvania (which is to say, every television) from the B1G to the ACC.

- The supposedly less certain-to-stay schools like FSU and Clemson would definitely appreciate the football-themed addition.

- Moving PA from the B1G to the ACC might drop the B1G's revenue and raise the ACC's enough that Maryland doesn't see it as a worthwhile move anymore.

In short, lose PSU and every eastward avenue for expansion is blocked.  At least, that's the distinct possibility and probably the fear that Delany had in mind.  It'd be the Big 12 or bust if the B1G wanted to expand.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

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December 7th, 2012 at 8:08 PM | Could be but (Score:2 Normal)
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I'm appalled at the idea that PSU could be blackmailing the B1G at this of all times. And the idea that you do something as momentous as bring in two programs to placate the short-term grievances of one? I'm not sure I even credit this story, honestly. It's hard to believe that the Machieavellian Delaney suddenly stoops to this for PSU with so many other wheels turning, right after hitting the school with a huge fine? Stranger things have happened, but I'll await confirmation. . .  extenuating details.  

 

December 7th, 2012 at 10:09 PM | PSU to the ACC would (Score:2)
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PSU to the ACC would strengthen it tremendously.  To the point that it would be a viable home for Notre Dame on the inevitable day when they have to join a conference for real. 

The Snadusky scandal aside, keeping Penn State in the Big Ten is an imperative.  If adding MD and Rutgres helps, it is a good defensive move at the very least.  The B1G needs to ensure they are one of the superconferences left standing when all the musical chairs are taken.

 

M'Dog

December 7th, 2012 at 4:16 PM | FWI (Score:3 Normal)
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That's a fake Bielema Twitter account. Still hilarious.

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:18 PM | When all the PSU stuff started going down (Score:2 Normal)
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this past year, I seriously thought the Big Ten may show them the door........kind of wierd that it was actually the other way around

Also, I'm sure Delaney cringes everytime Barry has an interview

GRwolverine73

December 7th, 2012 at 4:52 PM | Without any inside knowledge, (Score:3 Normal)
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Without any inside knowledge, the first question:  is Alvarez campaigning for Delany's job?

Dave Brandon should be the Big 10 commissioner after Delany.

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December 7th, 2012 at 7:41 PM | Um... (Score:1 Overrated)
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Why?

December 7th, 2012 at 8:23 PM | Why not? ***paging security, (Score:2)
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Why not?

***paging security, we have insubodernance***

December 7th, 2012 at 9:07 PM | Also, I'm sure Delaney (Score:1 Overrated)
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Also, I'm sure Delaney cringes everytime Barry has an interview .

If so, I say we interview Alvarez at least twice a week.  Maybe we can turn that cringe into a nasty twitch, which then develops into full-blown babbling insanity and we can commit Delany to the loving care of Nurse Ratched.  I'm for it if it stops realignment.

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:19 PM | That pig... (Score:4 Normal)
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...has my deepest sympathies.

As for PSU, I have a hard time believing that they really would have left, and I doubt the Big Ten believed that either.  Where would they have gone (especially now, given the Sandusky stuff)?   

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

December 7th, 2012 at 5:32 PM | Nothing in the article (Score:5 Normal)
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Nothing in the article indicated Penn State was thinking about leaving. It sounds like they were trying to be proactive to prevent Penn State considering it in the future, which... ok. BIG TENNNNN!

December 7th, 2012 at 4:18 PM | That picture... (Score:5 Normal)
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I just......I can't. 

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:22 PM | So, anybody hear anything (Score:5 Funny)
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About Conley?

 

*DUCKS*

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:24 PM | Nice (Score:4 Normal)
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Appreciate the sense of humor.

December 7th, 2012 at 4:27 PM | I didn't think the Ducks were (Score:5 Normal)
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I didn't think the Ducks were interested in Conley...

December 7th, 2012 at 4:35 PM | Ohio can have him (Score:3 Normal)
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Yea, it sucks to lose a player that is talented like him but if he doesnt want to be here and isnt commited to the program. Leon M III come on down!

December 7th, 2012 at 4:28 PM | He committed to Magnus's mom, (Score:5 Normal)
DeuceInTheDeuce
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He committed to Magnus's mom, I think.

December 7th, 2012 at 4:30 PM | Too soon (Score:4 Normal)
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I'm still all torn up inside.

He was my favorite poster!!

Man ball. Formerly, somebody else.

December 7th, 2012 at 4:42 PM | Its all fun and games until (Score:2 Normal)
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Its all fun and games until you come back from lunch to a meltdown on a site that is supposed to be a diversion from work and flounder around trying to figure out how to fix the situation.  That is only supposed to happen with work matters!

 

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 PM | Your mistake (Score:5 Normal)
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was not using your lunch as extra time to read MGoBlog.

Man ball. Formerly, somebody else.

December 7th, 2012 at 4:51 PM | ("Lunch" was taking (Score:1 Normal)
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("Lunch" was taking profitgoblue Jr. to get his haircut.)

 

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December 7th, 2012 at 5:06 PM | Was it a (Score:5 Normal)
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Fresh Crew Cut, by chance?

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December 7th, 2012 at 6:50 PM | May I ask what he wrote in a (Score:2)
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May I ask what he wrote in a certain locked thread that got him booted?  (I'm assuming this is what you mean)

December 7th, 2012 at 7:38 PM | Not just one thing but, "We (Score:2)
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Not just one thing but, "We should burn Conley's house down" "Fuck you Magnus" "Fuck your Mom" "Conely sucks a lot" "there's this blonde who wants the d" etc. etc.

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

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December 7th, 2012 at 9:50 PM | Wonderful stuff, huh!? Thanks (Score:2)
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Wonderful stuff, huh!? Thanks for feeding an inquiring mind.

December 7th, 2012 at 4:26 PM | I want that picture to be (Score:3 Funny)
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I want that picture to be real more than I probably should.

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:28 PM | Any thoughts on the other (Score:2)
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Any thoughts on the other interested school? I know Missouri wanted in last year, and I'm sure many schools are interested in B1G money, but which one specifically would be interesting to discuss. I'm guessing if the OP isn't referring to Mizzou, then it's one of the other Big East/ACC schools.

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 PM | My guess (Score:5 Normal)
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Either Louisville, Cincinnati, or Michigan State

December 7th, 2012 at 4:55 PM | Has to be Notre Dame /s (Score:5 Normal)
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Has to be Notre Dame

/s

Third generation Michigan alum

December 7th, 2012 at 4:37 PM | Louisville (Score:2)
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As JeepinBen says above, they were obviously looking around, and US News and World Report ranked them 160th in their latest rankings, which will put them at the bottom of the barrell in the ACC by quite a bit.

http://www2.nbc17.com/sports/2012/nov/28/17/ap-source-acc-leaders-discuss-expansion-plans-ar-2816583/ 

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:29 PM | To (Score:3 Normal)
ijohnb
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"placate Penn State?" 

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, PSU.

December 7th, 2012 at 4:43 PM | I sat in the row directly in (Score:2 Informative)
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I sat in the row directly in front of visting fans for 20 years before I moved my seats down and BY FAR (not counting sparties because it's personal with them)  the most obnoxious jerk fan group was PSU.  One of my favorite exits from a game was a few years ago when in parody to their arrogant chant " We are..Penn State"  someone had a 2 sided sign that read on one side "We Own" ......."Penn State"

 

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:45 PM | The interesting thing to (Score:4 Normal)
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The interesting thing to me is the glaring difference between the move to consolidate and set up super conferences for championship games and MOAR money, while the bowl games sit there and continue to get consideration from the NCAA and ADs when everyone knows that people want a playoff and more money (I think??) can be had from a playoff.  Tradition in conferences is losing clout but the tradition of bowl games survives.  Strange.

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December 7th, 2012 at 4:49 PM | He didn't say that Penn State (Score:5 Normal)
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He didn't say that Penn State was thinking about leaving nor that Rutgers and Maryland were brought in to "placate" PSU. 

If you study the demographics and take a look at where the population is, we are in the rust belt and continue to lose population.



“That northeast corridor, all the way to the south, continues to grow…Jim felt that someday, if we didn’t have anyone else in that corridor, someday it wouldn’t make sense maybe for Penn State to be in our league.



“That they would go into a league somewhere on the east coast. By doing that, it keeps us in the northeast corridor.”

 

Link: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/182573751.html

December 7th, 2012 at 4:50 PM | If superconferences lead to (Score:-1 Offtopic)
December 7th, 2012 at 4:51 PM | FYI (Score:5 Normal)
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cinci will be coached in the interim by a familiar name: DL coach Steve Stripling. Roy Manning coaches RBs there as well. i will be rooting for them hoping a sort of michigan guy gets a shot somewhere.

"Stripling coached the defensive line at Michigan from 2005-07. He worked directly with defensive end LaMarr Woodley, a 2006 All-American who won the Lombardi Award and Ted Hendricks Trophy. Woodley also was named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year and Lineman of the Year in 2006. Tackle Alan Branch also earned All-Big Ten first team and All-America second team accolades under Stripling.

The 2006 Wolverines led the nation in rush defense, surrendering just 43.3 yards per game on the ground. Stripling was a part of Michigan teams that played in the Alamo Bowl, Rose Bowl and Capital One Bowl.

Stripling's other Big Ten experience includes two seasons at Michigan State University (2003-04), four seasons at the University of Minnesota (1997-2000) and 13 seasons at Indiana University (1984-96). He was the defensive coordinator at Indiana in 1996."

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December 7th, 2012 at 5:33 PM | Academic concerns? (Score:1 Normal)
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We've let in Nebraska and rutgers, we already have Ohio and MSU...who the hell was knocking on the door - Arizona State?

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December 7th, 2012 at 5:41 PM | Cooley Law?  I hear that the (Score:2 Normal)
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Cooley Law?  I hear that the level of interest in Cooley Law football is roughly equivalent to Rutgers and Maryland combined, but that there are lots of TV sets at Cooley.

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