Freshman Moving Forward
Wondering how many more Freshman get snaps? Or how the coaching staff plays out the next 4 weeks?
I mentioned during Indiana week that it was obvious at practice that coach Pep was spending a ton of time with BP. It's somewhat obvious who they like or want to get in the rotation when observing them during the week. The 3rd string, RS, or scout team guys seem to all be doing their own thing, and because there are not that many of them (20-25) and it's usually on the other field area when one of their faces or jersey's are not out there, usually one of two things is happening. Either the position they play has a guy or two working with the trainers on injury related or school stuff, or the coaches want to see them in live action and in rotation. It seems like more than not, once they practice with the 1's or 2's during the week they end up seeing the field during the game that week or the next.
If that philosphy holds true like it has the first part of the year then: Nico, Spanellis, Hudson, Ruiz, Martin, Woods, Runyan, Biggs2, Anthony, St. Juste, Vilan, JKP, & Samuels) all should be getting run if they have not already. This seems like a lot of kids to me. Off the top of my head it only leaves a few guys from the class to redshirt (Singelton, Dmac, Hall, Taylor I mean Dillon, NO I meant Taylor, Filaga and I'm sure there area few I'm missing)
However this begs the question why soo many, and does it potentially leave the cupboard bare down the road? I know they like to point to it in recruiting that you can play early, just seems like other than 5-10 kids everyone is eligible. Maybe that is common at other schools as well, and I'm just reading wayy to much into it, but it sure seems like the coaching staff is making an concerted effort to get all these kids coached up and on the field early. Go blue!
October 29th, 2017 at 4:33 PM ^
October 29th, 2017 at 5:06 PM ^
Posted on the front page almost an hour ago.
October 29th, 2017 at 4:35 PM ^
Soze?
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October 29th, 2017 at 4:56 PM ^
I don't get upset when the shirts are burned. While it is nice to have a few solid 5th yr seniors on your team, I don't think most teams have very many of them. 5 years in a program is a long time when these kids are ready to head to the NFL or for most, get on with their lives in some type of earning capacity outside of football.
October 29th, 2017 at 5:19 PM ^
IIRC Harbaughs philosophy was that if you are going to be good enough to play then you will be good enough to play in the first few years. Of course there are caveats that apply but I think that generally holds true. In college the true NFL players will be ahead of most other people somewhat similarly to cfb candidates in high school.
This is why you have to earn that 5th year invite, you need to prove that you are good enough in a way that you hadn't proved by being drafted or by at least seeing some time as a freshman.
Also, none of the above generally applied to OL and QB.
October 29th, 2017 at 5:34 PM ^
yep and the staff must be confident that they can find a player or 2 in subsequent classes to provide similar impact of would-be 5th years when time rolls around.
sometimes theyll wish they had that 5th year guy (ie maybe someone like delano hill in situation like this year) but theyre often happy enough to cycle the extra players thru the program and trust young talent to take to coaching / development and make an impact
October 29th, 2017 at 7:14 PM ^
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October 29th, 2017 at 5:26 PM ^
right on, id have responded similarly
October 29th, 2017 at 5:27 PM ^
to play for Michigan !
we will be fine
October 29th, 2017 at 5:36 PM ^
Every year, going back multiple coaching staffs, we complain about how many freshmen don't redshirt.
October 29th, 2017 at 5:47 PM ^
Yes indeed. I actually sort of miss, from a mod perspective, having the burn counts on redshirts posted in a thread, one which would normally appear in the first third of the season and then again after the OSU game. It might have been 2013 when we burned over a dozen in one game that the thread finally realized what it could truly be.
October 29th, 2017 at 5:53 PM ^
our player development has been too sporadic, and always a year behind where it needs to be for replacing departing non-redshirted players consistently.
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October 29th, 2017 at 7:39 PM ^
Chris Wormley, Jake Ryan, Ryan Glasgow, Graham Glasgow, and Jake Rudock disagree.
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October 30th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^
Either that or have Cole play center, which would have created a problem at LT.
October 30th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^
October 30th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^
Freshmen O-line players have tended to redshirt except when circumstances like injuries to others, or disastrous previous recruiting years, have forced them to play early. E.g., Jon Jansen, Matt Elliott, Jeff Backus, Steve Hutchinson, Jake Long, all redshirted. I don't think any of them ended up being mediocre during their UM careers.
October 29th, 2017 at 6:25 PM ^
It is going to be a lot of fun watching this team grow up the next couple years. A lot of talent on both sides of the ball.
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October 29th, 2017 at 7:45 PM ^
Generally, I'd prefer to have a RS. Sometimes they are marginal players, sometimes they are not. Generally they tend to either get a RS for injury, be a lower ranked recruit, or need some time to develop and often aren't top 150 type recruits. If they aren't any good, then you give them the firm hand shake and thank them for their service. But, I'd rather have that option than trying to break in a young guy that's overmatched. Hopefully a consistent coacing staff will do away with this reoccurring problem. But, in general I don't think it's as simple as play the best player. If your 2nd or 3rd best player at a position is only slightly better than the 3rd or 4th best, but he's a freshman, I don't see any reason to burn his RS for a few meaningless snaps. I think you have to analyze if it's more beneficial than potentially getting a 5th year out of him, but that's just me.
October 29th, 2017 at 7:52 PM ^
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October 29th, 2017 at 8:42 PM ^
also comes into play. Any player that still has eligibility come their 5th year can look around the whole college landscape and try to find a better situation. It's almost like college free agency and recruting rolled into one. And, not necessarily out of anything negative. Sometimes it's just the natural course of things, like Shane Morris. If you have the talent to play as a freshman, the head coach might as well try to get something out of you early, rather than lose a full year and not get it on the back end. Kareem Walker will be an excellent test case. Although he was a RS for academic issues, his pedigree and his performance on a few carries suggest he could be a legitimate 1-back. Will it be at Michigan? Will he stick around for a 5th year if a team like Rutgers offers him the opporutnity to carry the load (Big 10 ramifications aside)? I'm sure, if Harbaugh had his way, he would have redshirted Samuels, but if he's as good as expected, there's no guarantee that he'd last 5 years.
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October 30th, 2017 at 9:07 AM ^
He's not on the participation report from this week. Spanellis, Runyan, Ulizio and Ruiz were the backup OL.
October 30th, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^
October 30th, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^
Josh Jackson has over 2,000 yards passing and Cody White has over 300 yards receiving so far.
Oh yeah....Cody White didn't get an offer from Michigan (has more receiving yards that DPJ) and Josh Jackson didn't have an offer from Michigan either even though he was RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.
October 30th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^