Freshman Moving Forward

Submitted by GhostofJermain… on

Wondering how many more Freshman get snaps?  Or how the coaching staff plays out the next 4 weeks?  

I mentioned during Indiana week that it was obvious at practice that coach Pep was spending a ton of time with BP.  It's somewhat obvious who they like or want to get in the rotation when observing them during the week. The 3rd string, RS, or scout team guys seem to all be doing their own thing, and because there are not that many of them (20-25) and it's usually on the other field area when one of their faces or jersey's are not out there, usually one of two things is happening.  Either the position they play has a guy or two working with the trainers on injury related or school stuff, or the coaches want to see them in live action and in rotation. It seems like more than not, once they practice with the 1's or 2's during the week they end up seeing the field during the game that week or the next.  

If that philosphy holds true like it has the first part of the year then: Nico, Spanellis, Hudson, Ruiz, Martin, Woods, Runyan, Biggs2, Anthony, St. Juste, Vilan, JKP, & Samuels) all should be getting run if they have not already.  This seems like a lot of kids to me.  Off the top of my head it only leaves a few guys from the class to redshirt (Singelton, Dmac, Hall, Taylor I mean Dillon, NO I meant Taylor, Filaga and I'm sure there area few I'm missing)

However this begs the question why soo many, and does it potentially leave the cupboard bare down the road?  I know they like to point to it in recruiting that you can play early, just seems like other than 5-10 kids everyone is eligible.  Maybe that is common at other schools as well, and I'm just reading wayy to much into it, but it sure seems like the coaching staff is making an concerted effort to get all these kids coached up and on the field early. Go blue!  

bacon

October 29th, 2017 at 4:39 PM ^

It’s not like the team is flush with guys who’ve been starting for years. I’m guessing they keep going with things as is and younger guys keep getting their chances to play here and there depending on how they’re doing.

Goggles Paisano

October 29th, 2017 at 4:56 PM ^

I don't get upset when the shirts are burned.  While it is nice to have a few solid 5th yr seniors on your team, I don't think most teams have very many of them.  5 years in a program is a long time when these kids are ready to head to the NFL or for most, get on with their lives in some type of earning capacity outside of football.  

PapabearBlue

October 29th, 2017 at 5:19 PM ^

IIRC Harbaughs philosophy was that if you are going to be good enough to play then you will be good enough to play in the first few years. Of course there are caveats that apply but I think that generally holds true. In college the true NFL players will be ahead of most other people somewhat similarly to cfb candidates in high school.

This is why you have to earn that 5th year invite, you need to prove that you are good enough in a way that you hadn't proved by being drafted or by at least seeing some time as a freshman.

Also, none of the above generally applied to OL and QB.

 

getsome

October 29th, 2017 at 5:34 PM ^

yep and the staff must be confident that they can find a player or 2 in subsequent classes to provide similar impact of would-be 5th years when time rolls around.

sometimes theyll wish they had that 5th year guy (ie maybe someone like delano hill in situation like this year) but theyre often happy enough to cycle the extra players thru the program and trust young talent to take to coaching / development and make an impact

Squash34

October 29th, 2017 at 7:14 PM ^

There are only a few positions groups that harbaugh seems to like to red shirt because it typically takes time to get physically and mentally read for college ball. QB and Offense line are the two that stick out. I'm sure he would prefer to not play as many true freshman at wr because the route trees are far more complex than in high school. Outside of those spots, he seems to be ok getting guys from other positions game snaps as true freshman.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

October 29th, 2017 at 5:06 PM ^

Just a handful of guys left from 2013, 2014 and 2015 (small class of 14 to begin with). The guys who are left are playing as starters or rotating in fairly regularly, so there isn't any depth to push onto the field. The coaches must find depth from the '16 and '17 classes to just create the 2nd string, let alone prepare as starters for next year. The defense could be great next year with a true 2-deep roster. The offense still needs to develop a 1-deep at many spots and an entire 2nd string at most spots. Developing depth will also great improve the quality of practice and competition for reps - which is a big benefit at Bama and a OSU with their depth and athleticism across the board.

LSAClassOf2000

October 29th, 2017 at 5:47 PM ^

Yes indeed. I actually sort of miss, from a mod perspective, having the burn counts on redshirts posted in a thread, one which would normally appear in the first third of the season and then again after the OSU game. It might have been 2013 when we burned over a dozen in one game that the thread finally realized what it could truly be. 

username03

October 29th, 2017 at 6:09 PM ^

Generally speaking, 5th year seniors are mostly mediocre. There is no reason to stock pile them. Play any and all freshman as soon as they can handle it and save the redshirts for injury.

EGD

October 30th, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^

Jake Ryan actually redshirted as a true freshman in 2010, so when he had the knee injury in 2013 there was no option to redshirt him then and save the year. These situations (where a player redshirts as a freshman, then effectively loses most or all of a second year to injury later on) have actually converted me from favoring redshirts for all freshmen except big-impact guys to not caring about redshirts one iota.

bcnihao

October 30th, 2017 at 12:04 PM ^

Freshmen O-line players have tended to redshirt except when circumstances like injuries to others, or disastrous previous recruiting years, have forced them to play early.  E.g., Jon Jansen, Matt Elliott, Jeff Backus, Steve Hutchinson, Jake Long, all redshirted.  I don't think any of them ended up being mediocre during their UM careers.

Blue boy johnson

October 29th, 2017 at 7:40 PM ^

Please excuse my interest in gossip, but why isn't Mr Yost around? I stayed away from most threads the past few weeks Edit: never mind, quick google search revealed the hot headed, emotional, dumb idea of a thread that caused his demise. FIRE PEP HAMILTON...

MGoStrength

October 29th, 2017 at 7:45 PM ^

Generally, I'd prefer to have a RS.  Sometimes they are marginal players, sometimes they are not.  Generally they tend to either get a RS for injury, be a lower ranked recruit, or need some time to develop and often aren't top 150 type recruits.  If they aren't any good, then you give them the firm hand shake and thank them for their service.  But, I'd rather have that option than trying to break in a young guy that's overmatched.  Hopefully a consistent coacing staff will do away with this reoccurring problem.  But, in general I don't think it's as simple as play the best player.  If your 2nd or 3rd best player at a position is only slightly better than the 3rd or 4th best, but he's a freshman, I don't see any reason to burn his RS for a few meaningless snaps.  I think you have to analyze if it's more beneficial than potentially getting a 5th year out of him, but that's just me.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

October 29th, 2017 at 7:52 PM ^

is a bulldozer as a true FR. Just rewatched the Rutgers game and he walloped several guys. Goal line and he seemed to be looking for a wham and ended up crunching LBs. We are not that far from a road grading run game. Ruiz might actually help next year with his additional 20 lbs on Kugler, while Onwenu and Bredeson get a little more comfortable blowing up guys. TEs are starting to block much better and RBs are running with a little more patience into the power and counter trey gaps.

Harlans Haze

October 29th, 2017 at 8:42 PM ^

also comes into play. Any player that still has eligibility come their 5th year can look around the whole college landscape and try to find a better situation. It's almost like college free agency and recruting rolled into one. And, not necessarily out of anything negative. Sometimes it's just the natural course of things, like Shane Morris. If you have the talent to play as a freshman, the head coach might as well try to get something out of you early, rather than lose a full year and not get it on the back end. Kareem Walker will be an excellent test case. Although he was a RS for academic issues, his pedigree and his performance on a few carries suggest he could be a legitimate 1-back. Will it be at Michigan? Will  he stick around for a 5th year if a team like Rutgers offers him the opporutnity to carry the load (Big 10 ramifications aside)? I'm sure, if Harbaugh had his way, he would have redshirted Samuels, but if he's as good as expected, there's no guarantee that he'd last 5 years.

 

 

Mr poonsniffle

October 29th, 2017 at 9:17 PM ^

One of the reasons that our defense has been good this year is because we played so many freshman last year to get them game experience and exposure. If we have freshmen that can contribute, gain experience, and can provide rest to our starters then I am all for getting them some game action. Look at the all of the true sophomores starting and making my major contributions to the defense this year.

yourmom_is_hot

October 30th, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^

Josh Jackson has over 2,000 yards passing and Cody White has over 300 yards receiving so far.  

 

Oh yeah....Cody White didn't get an offer from Michigan (has more receiving yards that DPJ) and Josh Jackson didn't have an offer from Michigan either even though he was RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD.