but next year will return nearly every defensive player, and nearly every starter with the exception of mouton and banks (starters).
avery has the most upside. on the play where a TD was caught against him, he wasn't burned. i can live w/ that play. the WR made a great catch on a perfect throw.
His hand was about 2 inches from the ball. When it takes a perfect throw to beat a corner, it's not his fault. Definitely on board with Avery/Woolfolk tandem next year. Who knows, they might even line up less than 12 yards off the line.
That is and will probably remain the best throw Scheelhaase makes this year.
of Floyd returning next year, not to mention some guy who likes to call himself T-Woolf.
It will be interesting to see if any of the young corners move to safety next season...
I also hope that these kids are growing up fast and that soon, they will get burned less.
It's possible that we get to the #7 defense in the B10 by the last 2 games. That's an improvement.
Future could be good. Hopefully we land some impact players on D.
Hopefully all the game experience that they have been getting plus an offseason with Barwis will equal a marked improvement. Add some great recruits to keep pushing them to get better and some depth and this team's secondary will be a strength of the defense and not a liability.
The Illinois reference of their improvements on D from 09- to the current season should give us hope as well. Besides gaining a'lot of experience, the D will also see some teammates getting healthy and contributing. (T Woolf, Mike Jones Who Mike Jones, JT Floyd and Will Heininger)
I saw Heininger jumping up and down in the celebration video. He wasn't terrible last year and should provide depth off the bench.
..he didnt seem to get burned. And Ray Vinopal had a VERY nice open field tackle at one point. Either way, for true frosh in their 1st (and 2nd in Rays case) start, they were fine.
Ray Vinopal(2 games of starting experience and more to come for the rest of the season)
That's a lot of secondary players who gained experience from seeing time on the field and 3/4 of them shouldn't be on the field to begin with but was forced because of depth and injuries. They'll get better over the long run. I would expect the secondary to make a leap from dreadful to average which consitute an improvement. Hopefully, in 2 years, they'll be outstanding.
Avery and Talbott have played the best overall, avery looks ready to impact next yr bigtime. Talbott has had some real good plays here and there as well being in good position when he got beat a couple times as well.
Best help to the db's next yr will be a vastly improved dline, namely de's.
may be a blessing in disguise because they'll be much better next year and in two years, assuming that they progress as a player.
is he hurt and i missed it?
played a little, but it's not enough to consitute a significant experience. He's backing up Kovacs who is on the field pretty much all the time.
not so sure Avery is a liability at this point - I was impressed
as long as these freshman stay the course.As long as these guys stick around, fine.We need corners and safetys to return next year.We've had too many guys that didn't pan out for a number of different reasons(warren,cissoko,turner,dorsey, etc.)
will definitely improve next year.........returning so many young players and getting our CB's healthy.
This is big. Keep in mind that of the true frosh in the secondary (Carvin, Vinopal, Talbott, Avery, Christian) none of them even enrolled early. These guys were still adjusting to life away from home when we played UConn. Neither Gordon had seen the field in college before this year, and Cam was practicing with the receivers this time last year. 2 years ago Jordan Kovacs was a college freshman but not even on the football team.
The future is bright for this secondary.
I'm excited about having these kids next year. They'll have a year of experience, Woolfolk and Floyd will be better. We'll have some awesome recruits come in (hopefully Walls and Lyons) who can contribue early. We might actually have depth in the defense...reliable depth!
concerned that the consensus "most polished corner" we recruited was CC, and he's already been passed by Avery and Talbott. There were concerns about his athleticism, and maybe he's just not as quick as the other 2
I think his only issue is lack of speed, 4.6-4.7 cant cut it in division one, maybe he will be better suited to play the safety position!
Eh, I don't think it's just a speed thing. Not all good corners have blazing speed, I bet Cullen is about as fast as Warren was. It's disappointing he's not as good as the other two right now, but it could just be that Avery is a faster learner (he was always touted as being very intelligent) and that once Cullen has a full off-season in the program, they might be neck and neck.
Cullen Christian is about were a true freshmen CB should be.
EDIT: However, I don't necessarily think that moving him to safety is a terrible idea, but it probably depends on our recruiting class. It's looking like we will get at least 2 CB's in this class, maybe more. No S commits yet, but a handful of guys who are likely, only one of which is a FS. With most of the safeties on our roster in the SS mold, and some of them moving to LB, it might not be a bad idea to move Cullen to FS and compete with Vinopal, moving Carvin to bandit to compete with Kovacs and having the Gordons man the spur (and MRob to LB). Now that my edit is longer than my original post, I'll end it here.
CBs with loose hips, quick feet and is a bit slow by CB standard(4.5-4.6) than CBs who is fast but has stiff hips. CC hasn't displayed fluid hips and he's probably too big to play CBs(much like JT Turner who is already too big to play CB). CC is better off playing deep safety where it can highlight his strength which is coverage over the top.
I have always been impressed with Avery this year. The kid competes, is always around the ball, is rarely out of position and has great hips to stay with receivers. And that tackle against Sheelhaase was one of those things that you can drill on all day everyday but it really can't be taught. If you could teach it, all of our players would be capable of making that play. And as we know from this year, they really haven't been able to do it. That was pure football instinct. And Avery has it.
Even on the one play where he got beat, he was right there. Unlike some of our other corners who get turned around and badly beaten, I haven't seen that out of Avery at all this year. This young man is a keeper who will only get better with experience.
WE'LL NEVER MAKE IT IN THE BIG10 WITHOUT FLAVOR CORNERS
But let's not be comparing any of our freshman corners to Joe Haden, who has been clocked at a 4.3 40. I really hope this year and spring is enough to make them servicable next year but I'm still very nervous especially since the most touted of these freshman C. Christian looks completely lost and lacks top end speed.