I like the piped in music.
Freqeuncy of Piped in Music Not Appreciated By Old Fart
Seriously, why do you like piped in music before and during a football game? I really want to know.
but I miss the bass drum when the team comes out of the tunnel. It was so ominous....
Also, I wish I could take to people without being drowned out by another advertisment for women's w/e sports every time. It's like Dave Brandon felt bad for us missing out on commercials during tv timeouts or something.
When the drum line came out and played by the student section, we couldn't hear them over in section 21. I'd like to hear the band rock it. And Seven Nation Army is so overplayed. We need to find more proprietary tracks that rock but that aren't played in every other stadium.
Hells Bells: 8 times
Seven Nation Army: 6 times
We Ready: 2
It seems that for this season anyways, AC/DC (mostly Hells Bell, but a little Thunderstruck) has replaced Seven Nation Army as the goto RAWK
Two consecutive times between plays, we got the two-for treatment, with Special K playing Hells Bells then quickly switching to Seven Nation Army before the play started.
Whoa, I didn't know you were actually serious when you said you kept a tally.
I actually like that Levels song.
The gameday expereience you and I had in the 2000s was 100,000 people sitting on their hands. Do you want to go back to that?
I don't see the difference. Fans still sit on their hands today just as they did before. People will get up on third down of a critical defensive play during a big game, but they'd do that in the 00's and 90's, too. I guess the piped in music adds to that noise.
I'm not against the music, and believe its implementation was inevitable, but they need to expand the playlist and play Seven Nation Army and Hell's Bells less.
I like it. It's a football game. It's supposed to be loud.
...and it's a good thing we're fixing all those other concerns. you know, here on a message board.
stadium experience matters.
you see the irony in your post.
the previous poster said that music is the "least of our concerns," the implication being that the team playing crappy football trumps every single other conversation, that there's absolutetly nothing else worth discussing. i disagree. it's possible, believe it or not, to talk about other things relating to michigan football, and one of them is whether it's enjoyable to actually, you know, go to the games.
I think what he (McSomething) means is that the stadium experience is not getting fixed either... you know, here on a message board.
When it gets the crowd pumped up, it's fine. When it's just there as filler (as in the break between the halftime show and the second half kickoff that you mention), I don't get it at all. Also, you're right that it's impossible to have a conversation when the music is on. Which again is fine when the game is going on, but is not at all fine when it is not serving any apparent purpose other than to justify the job of the person selecting music.
There are so many reasons to go to the game. But, I've noticed that a lot of people who used to converse in my section don't mucn any more. It's really noticeable durig breaks. It just seems more and more that the social aspect of the experience (and i'm only talking about pregame, halftime and tv timeouts, have taken a backseat to in your face piped in music. I would think that some people will sell their tickets and watch it on tv, since they it's so hard to visit with friends (especially if the team's not performing to expectations on the field).
If you are having a conversation you might be talking about how bad the product on the field is and perhaps agreeing that you might not want to buy tickets again. So, you are being mind-controlled by the sterile muzak.
Tailgating and the live game experience have their merits, but the filler noise during the game tends to get in the way. I'm not sure if anyone else wants to comment on their different experience in away stadiums, but PSU in October was not too different from Michigan Stadium, with AC/DC and the White Stripes piped in (although the still-not-dropped(!) Sweet Caroline seemed to be quieter by comparison).
It's much the same. I was also disappointed with ND last year. On the other hand, do we have to do it, just because it's common? I doubt those in the suites have to listen to it as loudly as I do in the SE corner . . . .
Gotta move with the times. This is the norm all across the country in sports.
(awaiting get off my lawn, leaders and best do not follow yadda yadda)
Let me preface my comment by saying that my opinion does not and will not matter to the administration in any way, and I have no reason to beieve anything will change as a result of any of our complaining. With that said, I cannot stand the seven nation army song! Every single week Michigan Football forces me to listen to that baseline over and over again. I swear the sound operator in the booth says to him/herself: "Oh, Michigan is on defense and it's 3rd down, better play that 'ohohohohohohoh' song." PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!!!
This does annnoy me. Play Hells Bells on 3rd down, not Seven Nation Army! Ever!
It's nice to know I'm not the only one!!
Even Hells Bells seems so generic for the situation, but may it's just me.
Didn't OSU and MSU both used Hell's Bells for about a decade before we did?
I was offered four free tickets to the NEB game at work. I did not want to go since the in-game experience is so awful for me that I can't stand it. I could not give away the tickets to anybody at work either as they all said the same thing.
And these are all people who live and work in Ann Arbor. It doesn't feel like college football to me anymore and is not a WOW experience. Maybe I am indeed getting old but my kids aren't going to be going to games as a result and they are actually pretty apathetic about UM football in general.
CREATING THE FYOOTCHER!!!
They've always played music during warmups...ever since Lloyd was here. This isn't anything new. It also wasn't that loud. I didn't have a problem talking to people, but it may depend on location.
They also didn't play any piped in music during halftime until the players came back out of the tunnel which was like 3 minutes left.
I actually thought the music used yesterday was the best overall selection of the season.
I had no issues talking to anybody. I was in the 40s about 20 rows back.
Play filler if you want, but please don't make me go deaf! It's impossible to talk. I try to talk to my kids and half of what I say is "Repeat that, I couldn't hear you." If they do an end of season survey, I;m definitely going to complain about the volume.
It's a little bit off putting when people qualify their opinions with things like "maybe it's just because I'm too old," or something of that nature. Not only does it make it easier for people to discard your opinion, it makes me feel marginalized as a 20 year old who more often than not agrees (with the old guy sentiment). Like there's something anomalous about me, when I don't think there is.
Piped in music makes things feel sterile, pre packaged, like I'm at an NFL game. I don't think disagreement about that is generational at all.
I appeciate your comment. I'm in my 40's. I yell on every 3rd down. I stand most of the game. So I get the point of getting the rest of the stadium to join me, and the music does serve a purpose to do that, at times. But most of the time that I notice the music or womens field hockey adblaring (not that I don't like field hockey), and find it objectionable has absolutely no bearing on the play on the field.
I really, legitmately, wanted to know if the students and 20 somethings love it, or not.
Totally, completely agree. Old guy on the cusp of 50 here.
What section do you stand in? I'd like to get a ticket nearby, so I can stand and cheer in unity. This is sort of my big complaint, having expressed it numerous times on the board, but I've been yelled at by Michigan fans to sit down numerous times for standing and cheering while Michigan's defense is on the field. Since absolutely no one else is standing in my proximity, I comply in fear of ending up like the guy maced at the Penn State game. I was in sections 15, 2, and 44 in my last three outings. I've come to resent much of our fanbase, though I'm sure the quiet fans behind me are feeling the same way about me and people who stand and cheer more than those three or four plays at the end of a close game. I understand buying a ticket does not compel a person to stand and make noise, it's just a damn shame that cheering is not an expected part of our Michigan fan culture, especially now when are team needs fan support more than ever.
I'd like to take this time to also advocate for the stoppage of Seven Nation Army: Stop it. It doesn't have to be played every 2 friggin' minutes. It was awesome during the original UTL game, but now it's just absolutely ridiculous. Just stop it.
Good ole Michigan.....complaing about not being able to have a conversation at a sporting event.
Noise is the key when I attend games college/pro I dont expect to have conversations I expect to make noise and be loud.
What do you do during TV timeouts? Stare ahead with glazed eyes? It's nice to be able to converse with the people next to you. For instance, my kids were asking about the chains, markers, how do they know where 1st down is, etc.. I was trying to explain but was drowned out. Makes it frustrating to say "Wait until we get home."
You're making noise and being loud when they're not playing? I mean, that crowd intimidation during a TV timeout when everyone is just standing around waiting for the red hat guy to get off the field is absolutely vital.
I especially like when I am told to "MAKE SOME NOOOOOIIIIIZZZEEEE!".
I like it when the players motion for the crowd to get loud and people around me just stand there with their mouthes closed.
It's a damn shame the players have to be cheerleaders, too.
The piped-in music is probably the main reason I hardly go to sporting events anymore. I canceled my Seattle Sounders season tickets because of it. It's just not fun when you can't converse with the people beside you.
I'd be ok with eliminating the piped in music if the band would actually play something decent. All i hear is the the Vitcors and the drumline. Nothing gets me more pumped up for a big denfensive stand the the drumline or Aretha Franklin Respect.
Our fight song is not good enough? Really? This was posted?
Piped-in music is the minor league experience Dave Brandon, Hunter Lochmann, and the faceless Special K are aiming for. It's unfortunate, tasteless, and tacky. But it's par for the course. Michigan spent a century doing things to set ourselves above the pack. Now we can't imitate the rest quickly enough.
Whatever. It's never going to change. Thus, we get Shout! late in the 4th of a close game. Because that's more important than The Victors, I guess.
Someone mentioned above that a lot of this music is usually playing during pregame and warm-ups, etc. When I went to games back in the '80's the relative quite of the stadium during this time was kind of neat. People would see friends, talk, etc. and as the stadium slowly filled, so did the atmosphere, building in anticipation of the band coming out.
The band, ultimately playing "The Victors" was the absolute crescendo of sound, with the possible exception of a few really big plays by the team during the game.
I assume that now, like at UNC, sound is at a constant fever pitch for much of your time in the stadium. Which actually detracts from the drama and atmosphere.
Deaffening ads and music at all down times is completely innapropriate.
As far as game time goes: part of a successful show is the ebb & flow of drama & excitement.
The band + the stadium towers is more than enough for Michigan Stadium to be loud & intimidating as long as the on-field-product is producing results.
they're not, and the absence coupled with the over-volumed "football jingles" is glaring.
Well said. I always liked the "quiet" moments to take in the natural sounds of the enivornment, enjoy the atmosphere, and feel the buildup/anticipation. Now instead I get angry rappers shouting incomprehensible shit at top volume seemingly every second there's a stop in the action. It's not an improvement.
Also, I agree with everyone about Seven Nation Army. For the love of God, fucking retire that already.
Michigan is doing what every other NFL/NBA/NHL stadium is doing. It is so common. So contrived. Michigan Stadium is becoming indistiguishable from every other big arena.
“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people..." ~ H.L. Mencken
This is pretty much directed to the OP. Everyone else can ignore.
I haven't attended a game in Michigan Stadium since 1993, so I can't weigh in directly regarding your experience yesterday.
But I have attended a couple of games recently at the University of North Carolina. Keenan Stadium and the surrounding area is absolutely beautiful (as opposed to NC State's Carter-Findley, which was a dump). This was my first experience of RAWK music combined with the big board light show just wrecked the games for me. I thought it was really an assault on my senses.
If I lived in SE Michigan and, assuming the game-day experience is similar to UNC's, I am sure that I would not have season tickets and would probably only occasionally go to a game.
for the kids....players that is. They are spoon fed. you can't say the under the lights halftime show and all that wasn't partially due to recruiting. Technology has taken over, I didn't like it when I went for the first time since RRods first year. It is what it is. Norfleet dancing is our only positive any more.
The fact is that part of that $95 face value is going to the cost of the scoreboard and soundsystem, and we're getting back what we payed for: Loud piped in music that drounds out the band (or mgoblue.co m commercials). It may also help recruiting, but it is to entertain us- the ticket buyers.
Maybe if you were louder on third downs we wouldn't need piped in music you old fart. Being loud is an advantage , and it's something we aren't good at.
You may be right. But it certainly adds nothing to tv timeouts, or at halftime.
I'm not a fan of much of it either, but music has been piped in during warmups for over a decade. If the band isn't there or isn't available, I think it's fine.
Yeah, there was some music in pregame before Rodriguez. However it is now at least twice if not three times louder . . .
can we pipe in some coaching?
It helps get the people energized. Even at the beginning of the game yesterday there was little energy in the stadium. It is good to have people standing and yelling. The band by itself is barely audible.
I did not like the Woodson/dhani mini videos asking people to get loud. Tacky and did not work.
too loud and there's too much of it. I don't mind it at times, but like a lot of things, they go overboard with it. An example is between plays where they are playing some crappy song of some kind just for filler almost up to the snap. That's just unnecessary and does nothing to improve the home environment.
They also overdo it at the basketball games. At Friday's game, it was just too loud. Part of this is due to the closed in smaller space at Crisler. The sound reverberates between the walls or something.
Good god if you wanna play catch up talk to them before the game, send an email or make other arrangments.
Alabama's stadium was rocking last night. That's the type of atmosphere we need.
of football team we need
Maybe I'm alone here, but when something BAD happens at the end of the game, or after we lose a game, I really don't want to hear The Victors. I know it's our song and it's supposed to boost spirits, but it just seems sarcastic at that point and it pisses me off. We had nothing to celebrate at the end of yesterday's game, so I had no business walking out to The Victors.
Years ago I was a Yankees season ticket holder. After a win they played New York, New York by Frank Sinatra. After a loss they did not. It had a way of amplifying the happiness of a win as you were leaving the stadium. So, I see your point about The Victors.
I would make the trek to ford field. I can count on one hand the number of lions game that I have gone to. The timing of the piped in stuff is off also. Yesterday Special K was playing something loud right as we are going into the offensive huddle and continued to play why they are were calling out signals like audibles. The piped in crap should not be a help to our opponent but it was on several plays.
It doesn't help that I never did like AC/DC nor GnR.
There is no wow factor by playing crappy song snippets so loud that you can't talk to the person right next to you. Plus the piped in crap seems to do more for our opponents than it does for us.
Less saxophone lung?
Worse than any other venue is Yost. Smaller, intimate venue where the band dominates, but we've seen more piped in music at Yost the past two seasons with the new scoreboard and sound system. It doesn't happen often, but even once is one time too many. Best band at any M event. Should be them or bust.
my only complaint is in the pregame DON'T PLAY DRAKE'S STARTED FROM THE BOTTOM!!!!! Such a fucking tool and an embarrassment to the homeland. Also in sure there's a lot of if not the vast majority of the crowd started from much closer to the bottom than that piece of shit.
this song makes we want to get up and go to the concourse in a vain attempt to avoid hearing it. Every damn pregame Special K plays that crap. Also: when the ball blows off the tee during a kickoff, you don't need to crank to music up to fill the 10-second re-tee time
In my experience the players are the ones that pick out the pregame music. It is not there for the fans. Do I like all the music that my players pick for pregame? No, but then again I realize that it is not all about me.
At this point I think there are bigger issues with the football program that need to be addressed.
it was annoying
I know I'm young when I read "NE players" and "any players".
This why we can't have nice things. I am beyond sick of Seven nation Army and sometimes the music annoys me, but if Michigan wants to be a modern football power... Michigan is going to do these things.
We already have the reputation of being the quietest gathering of 100,000 people in the country. The band doesn't play that many other songs and isn't loud enough to be audible and imposing throughout the whole stadium.
Sporting events are not the time or place to catch up with people. The stadium experience is about energy, passion, and being a part of a collective. Our fanbase has needed some of these "gimmicks" to coax people to add to this energy and atmosphere. Do we need a better "DJ" and better timing of music? Yes. Should we go back to the old days... No.
went to the BB game against Wayne St. last week and even though it was not sold out....the constant bombardment of noise from warm-ups all the way thru the game was terrible.
My son is 28 and loves his music/noise but even he got annoyed at how the non-stop noise made it sometimes uncomfortable and virtually impossible to converse about what was going on in the game.
I can honestly say i have no desire to sit thru that again.
around the country. That still doesn't preclude it from being awful
That it is.
the volume doesn't bother me either (it isn't too loud, you're too old!, and I'm not quite that old yet). I don't go to games to listen to music I could hear on my iPoddlePadPhone though, I prefer the band. As far as conversing in the stands, we should be on our feet making noise often enough to make that a moot point. I don't go to games to do what I can do in the living room either.
Aside to the coaching fellows - I certainly don't claim to be an expert at these things, I've only been watching since '68, a mere pittance of time. It is my opinion, however, that moving down the field when you are on offense might result in more "on our feet", and less conversing. Thank you for your efforts to date.
Music sounds better when the team does well, doesn't it? I don't remember too many people complaining after the original UTL game or the first NEB and OSU game under Hoke. Back then, the place was ROCKING and filled with energy when they played that music. It was excellent publicity for the program to have that type of atmosphere. Now people hardly get excited when they pipe it in, I believe it's largely because of the team's performance this year.
As long as they don't pipe in that stupid Jump 'Around. The most annoying tradition of all time - I'm glad it's not ours.
At least twice in the second half the music was blaring when we had the ball and Gardner was trying to call a play in the huddle. We have enough trouble on O without this crap. Now get off my lawn!
The timing to some of it is horrible.
I don't like music played between plays. Pre-game, during time outs and warming up for the second half sure.
I don't think they have ever played 1 song that I actually liked though.
The 7 nation army crap is embarrasing, it's been like outdated for 10 years already hasn't it?
I guess it is better than the alternative, I'd rather have something rather than nothing. I've had season tickets since 93 and I remember the nothing part.
I'd donate money aside from the PSL and season ticket if they played Hell Awaits or Angel of Death.
amped up and energized. I'm one of many who have grown tired of the contstant barrage of noise from pregame warmups to the final whistle.
I am a huge AC/DC fan and I want our stadium to be the toughest place for the opponent to play, but not at the expense of the enjoyment of being there with family or friends. I sit in section 44 and there were times where you couldn't hear the person next to talking to you. The new atmosphere at games of almost any sport is to get the crowd loud and engaged from beginning to end.
Sorry, but Seven Nation Army, Eminem and some of the others are going to engage a crowd during timeouts and when the game is super dull. Now I don't scream and yell during the game so I am one of those that doesn't contrbiute to the atmosphere much. Honestly, I go to watch the game.
All this and the skyrocketing cost is why I am giving up my tickets after this year. The guy who sits next to me and has had his seats for many years as well is giving up his also. He is a ENT doc - Ears/Nose & Throat guy and he says they decibel levels break so many OSHA rules it's not funny.
It's just not that much fun anymore. Iunderstand the need for a loud crowd and to intimidate the opposition. I was there when it was the quietest 100,000+ fans in the country. I think I have just outgrown the 'experience'. I had 4 Nebraska guys around me and they all said it seemd not loud at all from a crowd standpoint. They said it seemed like the noise just leaks out of the stadium. So I wonder if the new structures actually do their job.
During UTL or when we beat PSU on the last play with Manningham, it was crazy loud, but it's not possible to have that noise level for 3 1/2 hours. Trying to match the intensity of the SEC is an uphill battle. The program needs to improve dramatically before the crowds will be that raucous all the time. -69 yards rushing for two games and a head coach constantly repeating that he needs to do a better job of coaching is not helping either.
After this season, I'll watch from home and go to an occasional big game.
I agree, the program needs to improve.
Music or not, when the home team makes plays, the place is loud. Even more so now.
Win or lose yesterday the game sucked, it was a matchup of 2 55 year old heavyweights trying to make that one last payday.
i get the recorded music thing during the games. fine, whatever.
but i really don't understand the jet-engine level rock blasting in my face 35 minutes before the game starts. what. the fuck.
At UTL II, the piped in pre-game music was absolutely deafening. You simply could not talk to the person next to you w/o shouting. Again, I'm talking about 60-90 minutes before kickoff, not during the game, when of course we want it to be loud. An hour before the game, I'd rather be able to chat w/the folks around me, many of whom I only see a few times a year at games.
I actually emailed Brandon afterwards to complain. One of his flunkies emailed back to explain that the players need the music played that loudly to, uh, inspire them. Needless to say, I did not find this explanation at all convincing.
At Nebraska, the music wasn't as loud. Still annoying, but not as bad. That said, by all means, if you're unhappy, let Brandon know. The more the merrier.
(Now if you all will excuse me, I have to chase some kids off my lawn before the next episode of Matlock starts.)
Plain old yelling and clapping are louder than the oh oh oh chant.
This isn't a fanbase known for that.
on their hands either. But,the constant barrage of sound and noise from the speaker system is not really the solution either. The pre-gmae music is for the kids, by the kids, I get that. But the band used to be the way to get the crowd fired up. I certainly don't want some video of a player screaming at me telling me to "get up".
I know it's tough to get everyone screaming throughout a game, but when the game is intense the crowd doesn't need much help. UTL 1 and 2 proved that. Like I said earlier, going to games and screaming for 3 hours is for the younger crowd. I'm 49, I don't drink before the game. I root for my team and cheer the action, but I don't yell throughout. So I'm not really the type of fan they are going for. I'm not a down in front guy - my dad certainly is, but I realized my favorite part (aside from a victory) is when the bad marches on the field, the Drum Major bends over backwards and the band plays The Victors. I get chills every time I see it.
Yeah, it's good to get the fans involved and make noise. But when did that translate into we have to fill up every empty second with noise, to the point where you not only can't talk with the people you are attending the game with..... but where occaisonal system flubs are going to cause health issues... and have the opposite of the intended effect of players on the field? Let go of this garbage, Brandon. Whether the fan is 15 or 85 they don't need to be patronized to this extent. Or deafened.
please get off it. Just kidding!!!! I am partially with ya. Im a little tired of hearing the same things over and over....
MOAR Seven Nation Army and Pop Evil!
I hated the piped in music... until I went to the Michigan game @ Penn State this year. There was a TON of piped in music and the crowd was 10x more into the game than anything I've ever seen at Michigan Stadium. Do whatever it takes to get the home field advantage. If this means more piped in music, bring it on!
Piped in music is artificial, humanless, and utterly meaningless. It is a complete disconnect with the game, our school, students, alumni, and tradition. Why can't we just amplify what the Marching Band plays?
For me, the best game day experiences and traditions were:
- Walking from campus to where the Marching Band assembled (especially in beautiful weather)
- Following the Band to the stadium (to get in the spirit)
- Picking out and talking about players from both teams during the pre-game warm-ups
- Watching the Band high-step it from the tunnel to the far side of the field and then parade up and down the gridiron, playing the fight song and alma mater
- Enjoying inividual efforts (Roger Staubach of Navy making 10 UofM guys miss on one down) and big plays from Michigan (even though they were sometimes few and far between in 1962-1963).
- The halftime show, including that lttle terrier push the ball down the field and across the goal line, receiving a big cheer from the spectators when he did so.
- Laughing (along with everyone else) at our male cheerleaders 'cheers' but always being impressed by their gymnastic skills.
- The after game performance by the Band.
- Disecting the game on the walk back to campus.
- Enjoying the post-game parties.