Home
we had subs it was crazy

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • MGoStore
  • MGoBoard
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Ticket spreadsheet
    • Michigan bar locator
    • Moderator Action Sticky
  • Useful Stuff
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • Unofficial Two Deep
    • 2013 Offer Board
    • Crude Bug Tracking System
    • Third Down Stats
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
    • Michigan Future Schedules
    • User-Curated HOF
    • 2013 Recruiting Board
    • Where To Eat In Ann Arbor
Home Forums MGoBoard

Navigation

  • Forums
  • Recent posts

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • @MGoBlog (Brian)
  • @aceanbender
  • @TomVH (Tom)
  • RSS Feed
  • iPhone App
  • Facebook profile
  • MGoKindle Store
  • mgo.licio.us
  • Brian @ TSB [Archive]
  • Brian @ AOL [Archive]
  • Sour Salty Bitter Sweet

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Burgeoning Wolverine Star
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • Holdin' The Rope
  • MGoFootball
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The M Block
  • The M Zone
  • The Wolverine Blog
  • Touch The Banner
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • A Lion Eye
    • Hail To The Orange
    • Illinois Baseball Report
    • Illinois Loyalty
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Crimson Quarry
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
    • Fight For Iowa
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
    • I'm In Love With A Fringe Bowl Team
    • TNABACG
  • Nebraska
    • Big Red Network
    • Corn Nation
    • Husker Mike's Blasphemy
    • Husker Gameday
  • Northwestern
    • Sippin' On Purple
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • The House Rock Built
    • One Foot Down
  • Ohio State
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Slow States
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • Big Ten Hardball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The Baseball Zealot
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Basketball Prospectus
    • Midmajority
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Inside College Hockey
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
    • Western College Hockey
    • CCHA
      • LSSU Hockey
      • Bronco Hockey Blog
  • Football
    • Smart Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Doctor Saturday
    • CFB Stats
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
      • Fire Millen
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
      • The Daily Fungo
    • Red Wings
      • On The Wings
      • Behind The Jersey
      • Winging It In Motown
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Archive

  • May 2013 (50)
  • April 2013 (94)
  • March 2013 (104)
  • February 2013 (81)
  • January 2013 (93)
  • December 2012 (74)
  • November 2012 (142)
  • October 2012 (143)
  • September 2012 (107)
  • August 2012 (103)
  •  
  • 1 of 11
  • ››

Get Yer Tickets

Football Display Case

NFL Watches

Follow your favorite team with localtv-satellite.com: Click Here.

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • Raiding the B1G-er Big Ten: Recruiting Prospects in Maryland and Rutgers Territory
    The Mathlete - 8 hours ago
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 1 day ago
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 1 day ago
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 2 days ago
  • UMich NFL draft history, Part III
    blueheron - 2 days ago
  •  
  • 1 of 4
  • ››
more
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 746 views
  • More Milford Men Than Michigan Men: Comparing the 11-12 and 12-13 Hockey Teams
    MGoBlueline - 737 views
  • UMich NFL draft history, Part III
    blueheron - 706 views
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 548 views
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 459 views
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more
  • Big Ten Recruiting Rankings 4-30-13
    Ace - 81 comments
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 19 comments
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 17 comments
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 16 comments
  • More Milford Men Than Michigan Men: Comparing the 11-12 and 12-13 Hockey Teams
    MGoBlueline - 9 comments
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • OT: Mott Takeover
    10 replies
  • Jersey Name Patches
    18 replies
  • ESPN's Luginbill Predicts Top 5 Impact Freshmen, includes Derrick Green
    57 replies
  • Initial 2015 Top247 Released
    48 replies
  • Lewan Makes Feldman's "Freak List"
    30 replies
  • NFL: Pro-Bowl Considers A Bounty System
    46 replies
  • Putting out the MGoBatsignal for.......the Michigan Stormtrooper!
    32 replies
  • OT - Brian Urlacher retires
    43 replies
  • OT - Official MGoBaby Thread (you got 'em, we want to see 'em)
    138 replies
  • Plaxico Burress is designing a men’s "luxury hosiery line"
    63 replies
  • BTN Tourney Baseball
    14 replies
  • OT: I love High School football
    39 replies
  • OT? Graduatin' Season. Who had the Worst Commencement Speaker?
    136 replies
  • 2015 QB Josh Rosen offered
    51 replies
  • Charles Woodson signs with Raiders
    48 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 7
  • ››
  • OT - Brian Urlacher retires
    43 replies
  • NFL: Pro-Bowl Considers A Bounty System
    46 replies
  • OT - Official MGoBaby Thread (you got 'em, we want to see 'em)
    138 replies
  • Putting out the MGoBatsignal for.......the Michigan Stormtrooper!
    32 replies
  • ESPN's Luginbill Predicts Top 5 Impact Freshmen, includes Derrick Green
    57 replies
  • Jersey Name Patches
    18 replies
  • Initial 2015 Top247 Released
    48 replies
  • OT: Mott Takeover
    10 replies
  • OT? Graduatin' Season. Who had the Worst Commencement Speaker?
    136 replies
  • How much do you really hate ohio?
    145 replies
  • (Ole Miss) Hugh Freeze seems to be claiming BCS titles now
    48 replies
  • Plaxico Burress is designing a men’s "luxury hosiery line"
    63 replies
  • Lewan Makes Feldman's "Freak List"
    30 replies
  • Charles Woodson signs with Raiders
    48 replies
  • OT: I love High School football
    39 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 7
  • ››
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 3 Open Thread
    203 replies
  • How much do you really hate ohio?
    145 replies
  • OT - Official MGoBaby Thread (you got 'em, we want to see 'em)
    138 replies
  • OT? Graduatin' Season. Who had the Worst Commencement Speaker?
    136 replies
  • UM 2014 Conf schedule football
    123 replies
  • Brandon on Uniformzzz
    119 replies
  • Speight and TomVH on Peppers
    116 replies
  • OT: Red Wings @ Hawks Game 2 Open Thread
    114 replies
  • Prayers for Moore, Oklahoma
    112 replies
  • Alex Bars to Notre Dame
    96 replies
  • 5 star 2013 DT may not be enrolling at Notre Dame
    83 replies
  • OT: NBA Draft Lottery
    78 replies
  • ESPN 30 for 30 on the Bad Boys
    77 replies
  • Michigan Softball vs. Cal Open Thread
    75 replies
  • Michigan has #1 recruiting class on ESPN now.
    73 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 7
  • ››

mgo.licio.us

  • Michigan's key returnee: Glenn Robinson

    needs moar usage

    0 comments
  • Former Arkansas QB Brandon Mitchell transferring to NC State

    so much for that

    0 comments
  • The B1G List: Ranking the State Fossils of the Big Ten

    This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.

    0 comments
  • Trey Burke turns to inner circle to prepare for NBA draft

    will be michigan's highest pick in a while

    2 comments
  • B1G assistant coach salaries on the rise

    money has to go somewhere

    0 comments
  • Tim Hardaway Jr. is motivated by his critics and doubters, and supremely confident in his ability

    I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.

    0 comments
  • Big Ten football procrastinates on parity-based scheduling, and nothing ever changes

    the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection

    1 comments
  • Michigan's Glenn Robinson III, Mitch McGary ranked inside top 20 on ESPN's 2014 draft board

    but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?

    1 comments
  • Tim Hardaway Jr. turning heads, viewed as a first-rounder by some teams, analyst says

    If you're gonna go please be in the first round.

    0 comments
  • Michigan-Ohio State once, Indiana-Purdue once? The Big Ten has to protect its hoops rivalries

    another delightful side effect of a 14 team conference

    0 comments
  • Beilein on transfers: All should have to sit a year, regardless of situation

    I disagree.

    0 comments
  • Julie Hermann takes over as Rutgers AD, won't try to spend like Michigan

    GOOD PLAN

    2 comments
  • Jay Harris says no to Michigan State, decides to become a rapper

    hahahahaha

    0 comments
  • The Difference Between A Good Fan And A Bad Fan

    thoughtful piece from Jacobi on middle finger lady

    3 comments
  • Michigan's rising recruiting profile exciting John Beilein, who remains true to his scouting form

    Their high school coaches and AAU coaches have probably a better appreciation of Michigan than maybe they had before," Beilein said. "It's a tough balance right now. Tim Hardaway and Trey Burke weren't really high-profile players, nor was Darius Morris, and all were high-profile players. "We're still looking at 'who is the best fit.' "

    0 comments
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more

Fremeau: Michigan most likely candidate for 2012 dropoff

64 posts / 0 new
Login or register to post comments
Last post
January 4th, 2012 at 6:50 PM
#1
ish
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 7692
Fremeau: Michigan most likely candidate for 2012 dropoff

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7422906/michigan-...

you need to be an insider to read it.  in short, he says the schedule and our five year performance indicators forecast a dropoff next year.

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Tags:
  • MGoBoard
  • football

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:53 PM | I can see how you would say (Score:2 Normal)
ThadMattasagoblin
ThadMattasagoblin's picture
Joined: 08/24/2011
MGoPoints: 2690

I can see how you would say that after the way we played last night.  We just have to come back and bring the same intensity as this season and look for our first BCS championship.

903 wins most in college football

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 6:56 PM | more than anything, our (Score:0 Normal)
Lancer
Lancer's picture
Joined: 08/18/2010
MGoPoints: 755

more than anything, our schedule is a rape in 2012.

Looking for BTTYS Nike sb Michigan Dunk Highs size 14, hit me up. 

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:51 PM | not nearly as bad as Notre (Score:1)
MGoPietrowski
MGoPietrowski's picture
Joined: 01/07/2011
MGoPoints: 725

not nearly as bad as Notre Dame's though. jesus. they'll go 3-9.

fomerly known as "hailtothe"

hailing from Evansville, IN...

To hell with Notre Dame.
  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 9:53 PM | they play a game in Ireland (Score:2 Normal)
GoBlogSparty
GoBlogSparty's picture
Joined: 02/19/2010
MGoPoints: 1191

they play a game in Ireland lol

Your friendly neighborhood Sparty

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 PM | I realize no harm was intended.. (Score:5 Normal)
patrickdolan
Joined: 07/10/2008
MGoPoints: 177

Three facts:



1. On occasion, I work with rape survivors.



2. I find the word "rape" to describe something far less traumatic than real rape painful.



3. I do so because I see the incredible pain and anger the use of the word causes the people I work with.



You can do whatever you want with those facts, except make them go away.



Go Blue.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 6th, 2012 at 9:59 PM | my bad dude, you're (Score:1)
Lancer
Lancer's picture
Joined: 08/18/2010
MGoPoints: 755

my bad dude, you're right...no need to say that word. Sorry. 

Looking for BTTYS Nike sb Michigan Dunk Highs size 14, hit me up. 

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 6:56 PM | Some crack thinking there.  (Score:5 Normal)
Mattinboots
Joined: 11/21/2008
MGoPoints: 534

Some crack thinking there.  What other 11-2 teams out there have our schedule next year, lose the core of their DL, and arguably overachieved by 2 wins this year?

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 6:58 PM | Wow! (Score:5 Normal)
BlueUPer
Joined: 10/03/2010
MGoPoints: 1320

He gets paid for this insider info? Will LSU also trend downward?

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:09 PM | Really?? (Score:4 Normal)
wresler120
Joined: 10/17/2010
MGoPoints: 565

We have a damn good team .... Denard is going to be a sr ... Top notch recruits coming in ... Just had a huge Sugar Bowl victory, which could land us a preseason top 10 .... And you are hoping for a Capital One Bowl appearance?

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:15 PM | I don't think the Cap One (Score:3 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
Joined: 12/29/2010
MGoPoints: 4895

I don't think the Cap One bowl would be entirely unexptected honestly.  This team did overachieve a bit.  Only time will tell if the "overacheiving" is really just an artifact of the coaching which will stay consistent.  Next year should be very interesting.  Either way, we have great momentum for the program and players right now.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:28 PM | People that overlook or minimize (Score:2 Normal)
wolverine1987
wolverine1987's picture
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 2928

the defensive line losses we have next year are making a serious mistake. We do not, as of last night even, have anyone ready to step into the three starters we lose. RVB played EVERY DOWN--and there is a reason for that. I think Cap One Bowl is a very reasonable expectation given that and our challenging schedule.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:32 PM | Agree.  I really don't expect (Score:1 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
Joined: 12/29/2010
MGoPoints: 4895

Agree.  I really don't expect the interior line to stand up all that well; no one has proved they are consistent outside of starters we lose.  However, I do think that both Black and Clark have flashed something thoughout the season, that paired with a returning Roh, could strengthen the edge of D.  But definatly don't expect great things out of that unit this year.  Hope they prove me wrong.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:00 PM | The schedule is certainly a (Score:5 Normal)
MaizeAndBlueWahoo
MaizeAndBlueWahoo's picture
Joined: 07/02/2008
MGoPoints: 11820

The schedule is certainly a fair point, because ye gods is it nasty.  But this is the classic weak point of mathematical projections, and why you shouldn't bury your head in them and only pop your head up to make a pronouncement.  The "five-year performance factor" thing doesn't apply here.  Yes, 2008 sucked, but the circumstances of this team are such that it's totally stupid to include 2008 in your calculations for 2012.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

- Mark Dantonio

Blogging the Virginia Cavaliers at http://fromoldvirginia.blogspot.com/<

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:58 PM | I thought the same thing... (Score:3 Normal)
a2_electricboogaloo
a2_electricboogaloo's picture
Joined: 04/21/2011
MGoPoints: 4027

...When I read that. The five year performance in no way applies here. Comparing next years team to 5 different years coached by three coaches seems asinine to me.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:58 PM | yeah (Score:2 Normal)
snowcrash
Joined: 07/22/2008
MGoPoints: 1567

This looks like another lazy man's metric, because you only have to look at a few numbers instead of trying to learn something about hundreds of individual players. I'd say the team most likely to have a big dropoff is Stanford, because they're about to have 4 of their offensive players (including Luck of course) taken in the first round of the draft, and apart from that their overall talent level is unremarkable.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:32 PM | I disagree.  Based on my (Score:5 Normal)
SAvoodoo
SAvoodoo's picture
Joined: 01/10/2010
MGoPoints: 3239

I disagree.  Based on my scientific calculations of science, according to the 140 year performance factor we will be the winningest team in the country.  It's science.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 9:53 PM | I love sports science. (Score:5 Normal)
Michael
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 489

I love sports science. Impressive stuff.

c/o 2008
GO BLUE!

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:02 PM | Fremeau... (Score:1 Normal)
wolpherine2000
wolpherine2000's picture
Joined: 07/10/2009
MGoPoints: 918

...isn't taking much of an intellectual risk by predicting a dropoff.  At 11-2, no team since 1997 has had a better record than this year's team.

*

As a matter of fact I like beer.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:03 PM | Opponents (Score:1)
hart20
hart20's picture
Joined: 05/25/2011
MGoPoints: 3707

All lose enough starters that the schedule isn't as tough as it appears. D line is the biggest question on our team, if we can figure that out and Khoury can figure it out too, we're set.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:03 PM | Khoury just needs reps. (Score:1)
Swazi
Swazi's picture
Joined: 08/13/2010
MGoPoints: 2557

Khoury just needs reps.  He'll be fine.  Def. worried about the DL though.  Granted VT was all (or almost all) 5th year seniors on their OL, we didn't do too good of a job, and 3 of those guys (granted one didn't play) are gone.  We absolutely need Roh to go beastmode next year for us.  

If you need drugs to be a good writer, you're not a good writer.

-Rod Serling

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 9:27 PM | Love the optimism (Score:2)
coachclen
coachclen's picture
Joined: 10/13/2010
MGoPoints: 1033

But Khoury will have to figure an awful lot out to become the best player at his position in the country, as was his predecessor.



Molk, Martin, RVB are huge losses.

No matter what happens.....They're still gonna run out and touch that banner.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:11 PM | Yeah.  This article goes is (Score:1 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
Joined: 12/29/2010
MGoPoints: 4895

Yeah.  This article is written by the proverbial "Captian Obvious".  Everyone knows the schedule is really tough next year.  I, and I think most others, are expecting some regression.  But I also don't like some of his thinking.  One of his largest predictors is how the team did the past 5 years.  Yeah, we didn't score very well in that category.  But all this doesn't factor in that whole, entirely new coaching staff thing.  Turns out those can really change things up.  Hell, Alabama was terrible from 2000 up until Saban's second season.  Bet their predictors had them way down even after Saban's second year with a 12-2 record.  Bet they were still down after Saban's third  year of undefeated.  But I do agree that the turnovers may step back.  Well at least the fumble recoveries might.  But who knows, we may make up for that with an entire returning secondary and increased interceptions.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 11:05 PM | The guy passed us over some (Score:1)
turtleboy
turtleboy's picture
Joined: 04/22/2011
MGoPoints: 3213

The guy passed us over some pretty obvious favorites. Okie State? 3rd place to unranked. No Weeden, no Blackmon, no team. Stanford? First no Harbaugh, now no Luck. Huge loss. A&M? They could barely scrape together a winning season in the Big12 this year and next year they play in the SEC West fergodsakes! Were not even likely to regress at all IMHO, and there's another 10 win team an hour down the road that'll regress like nobody's business. Sparty loses EVERYTHING next year.

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:15 PM | Anybody using records from (Score:4 Normal)
Don
Don's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 19215

the previous 5 years is a complete dingleberry. What the teams under LC and RR did is totally irrelevant.

One of the benefits of this season for Hoke is that it buys him some credit with the fanbase for the next season or two, in case there is a drop-off. If we go 8-4 or 9-3, anybody who starts yammering about firing Hoke is going to look sort of stupid.


  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:07 PM | maybe in our case, yes, but (Score:1 Normal)
ish
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 7692

maybe in our case, yes, but as an overall metric, i bet that it is quite useful and serves well as a predictor.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:50 PM | I think Hoke has played the (Score:2)
bluetell
bluetell's picture
Joined: 07/03/2008
MGoPoints: 4770

I think Hoke has played the ultimate Michigan fan enough this season that he's bought himself at least 2 more years almost regardless of outcome on the field. If he wins 9 or 10 games again next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a length contract extension

Rudy watches inspirational movies about Shawn Hunwick

 

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:16 PM | Who said this and in what (Score:3 Normal)
VictorValiant
VictorValiant's picture
Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 342

Who said this and in what year?

“The schedule is too tough for them to have a great year.  In college football, you’ve got to have margin of error in there…You have to be able to have an off week.”

“Michigan has no chance to have a great football season, in my opinion.  They play too many good teams that are as good or better than they are, and a lot of them away from home.  That makes it more difficult.  They can stumble and be a really fine football team, losing three games at least.”

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:25 PM | Somehow I'm guessing it was (Score:2 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
Joined: 12/29/2010
MGoPoints: 4895

Somehow I'm guessing it was in 1997...

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:38 PM | 1997, Lee Corso. (Score:3 Normal)
Brhino
Joined: 09/08/2009
MGoPoints: 1367

1997, Lee Corso.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:16 PM | Not that worried (Score:1 Normal)
Stojak81
Stojak81's picture
Joined: 03/31/2009
MGoPoints: 72

I think the schedule on paper looks really tough with road games at OSU, ND, and Nebraska, roadish game with Alabama, and an improved (and oh so annoying) MSU at the big house. With that said I think  MSU,  ND, OSU, and Nebraska are very winnable games, and depending on what Alabama brings back we've got a shot there. Denard's progression and replacing the leadership on the d-line are the two biggest areas of concern, and I have to think the coaching staff knows this, and will put in the added time developing these two areas.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:45 PM | How is MSU going to be improved next year (Score:3 Normal)
Maize and Blue ...
Maize and Blue 4 Life's picture
Joined: 03/15/2009
MGoPoints: 3516

Cousins is gone along with his entire WR core, best Olineman, top TE target and starting FB. D will still be good, but if Worthy leaves his back up graduates and the second and third string NT's also graduate.

They'll take a step back next year though they do have Boise St, Nebraska, ND, and Ohio at home with away games in the Big House and at Camp Randall.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:51 PM | Worthy is leaving, he (Score:1)
AmaizeingBlue
Joined: 09/01/2010
MGoPoints: 1345

Worthy is leaving, he declared today.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:09 PM | If Worthy leaves, then all (Score:1)
Swazi
Swazi's picture
Joined: 08/13/2010
MGoPoints: 2557

If Worthy leaves, then all they have on the line really is Gholston and the other end.  Denard and Fitz should be able to feast on the middle.

 

Along with the fact they lose their Captain QB, best WR (along with all the others), their TE I think, and their schedule, State is going to have a down year big time.

If you need drugs to be a good writer, you're not a good writer.

-Rod Serling

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 9:26 PM | I don't think so.  State's (Score:1 Normal)
AmaizeingBlue
Joined: 09/01/2010
MGoPoints: 1345

I don't think so.  State's defense will still be great.  They'll probably have a mediocre passing game, but should be able to run the ball effectively.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 10:02 PM | (Score:1)
Lionsfan
Lionsfan's picture
Joined: 06/03/2011
MGoPoints: 3907

Look at our games against them the past 2 years. If we can force them to become one dimensional Michigan should win, not by a blowout or anything (but how awesome would that be?), but a solid win

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

StraightDave owes me a steak dinner

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:30 PM | If you think MSU is going to (Score:1 Normal)
FreddieMercuryHayes
Joined: 12/29/2010
MGoPoints: 4895

If you think MSU is going to regress a lot next year, then you are mistaken.  They just had two 11 win seasons in a row and only lose two starters off a really really good defense.  Worthy leaving will hurt a bit, but they are just very fundementally sound and have found great playmakers that fit their system and coaching.  The offense may take a step back, but that D will be very good for the immediate future.  I'm a believer in state right now, and I really don't like that that has happened.  We need to rise to the challange and win one next year.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 9:31 PM | I agree. (Score:1 Flamebait)
coachclen
coachclen's picture
Joined: 10/13/2010
MGoPoints: 1033

Also, don't be surprised if Maxwell is an upgrade over cousins, and if Bell becomes consistent, I think Sparty can improve from this year.



But, I think Michigan beats them at home.

No matter what happens.....They're still gonna run out and touch that banner.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 9:46 PM | I'll be very surprised if (Score:3 Normal)
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 28969

I'll be very surprised if Maxwell is an upgrade over Cousins.  I've never understood why so many on this site knock Cousins as a QB.  He's extremely accurate and very poised in pressure situations.  He was also a 3-year captain, which is unheard of.  He leaves big shoes to fill.  (The loss of their entire WR corps and starting TE doesn't make it any easier for Maxwell, too.)

 

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 9:59 PM | (Score:1)
Lionsfan
Lionsfan's picture
Joined: 06/03/2011
MGoPoints: 3907

People here knock Cousins because the Sparties and the Freep has made him out to be the next Matt Stafford/Ryan, when he's just a better Sanchez

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

StraightDave owes me a steak dinner

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 10:03 PM | Regardless, he has to go down (Score:2)
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 28969

Regardless, he has to go down as one of the very best QBs MSU has ever had.  You have to go back to at least Tony Banks to find a better MSU QB.  

  • Login or register to post comments
January 5th, 2012 at 10:24 AM | There is no way msu can be as (Score:1)
bing24
bing24's picture
Joined: 11/04/2010
MGoPoints: 551

There is no way msu can be as good next year as they were this year.

Offense: They lose their QB who is also the team leader and most successful QB in the history of their program. Don't underestimate this loss, the backup has 51 career passes against the likes of Youngstown State type teams. Then throw in their all time leading WR in Cunningham, their big play WR/Return man in Martin, top 3/4 TE's in Celek, Nichol, Linthicum who get used a lot, their FB and their top OL in Joel Foreman. That is a TON to replace on offense alone. They have their RB's and most OL in tact, but, the challenged passing game will allow teams to force them away from the run (see Denard in msu, sugar bowl for how that works).

Defense: They lose Worthy, who is a 1-3rd round pick in NFL - This loss will not be made up by anybody, because this kid is good. This will be much like us losing Martin/Van Bergen = No Bueno. Also lose NT Kevin Pickelman who had more sacks than Tom Gholston pre bowl game. They also lose Trenton Robinson, their starting safety who had 70 tackles (imagine us losing Kovacs, yeah, not good). They will have a lot of talent returning on a good defense, but lose their entire middle like we do & their leading tackler/int guy in secondary. This has to set back the defense at least a little bit.

I know this information because I have a plethora of A-Hole sparty grad friends who remind me daily (no exaggeration) that they've won 4 years in a row along with a picture of sparty holding the Bunyan Trophy. They really think they're going to have 11 wins, win the B10, go to Rose Bowl & beat UM for 5th straight year. Now, I think a lot of that is getting the bragging out while they have it because they know things won't be like they have...It's still brutal and making me have an unhealthy hatred for everything green.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:17 PM | We're easy pickings right (Score:3 Normal)
bluetell
bluetell's picture
Joined: 07/03/2008
MGoPoints: 4770

We're easy pickings right now. Won a BCS bowl despite ourselves against a team no one respected anyway to get to be 11-2 and possibly be top 10 to finish, then we start next year with Bama and all the road games, etc. I'd be shocked if we weren't a near unanimous pick to drop off.

However, no one thought we'd be any good this year. Everyone said we'd be 7-5 or 8-4 and we proved em wrong so if there's one think I'm taking away from this year, it's that we've got a really good bunch of coaches

Rudy watches inspirational movies about Shawn Hunwick

 

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:37 PM | This article plays it fairly (Score:1)
antoniobass
antoniobass's picture
Joined: 12/10/2008
MGoPoints: 26

This article plays it fairly safe and makes some obvious points.   I agree that Michigan has strong potential to dissapoint next year based on the DL an OL losses.  

However, he goes on to use the fact that last year's BCS winning teams lost more games this year as some sort of proof that Michigan will do poorly.  This is plain stupid and there are too many variables.  Based on how they performed in the game as a whole, they really had no right to win.  They willed their way to an ugly victory.   Fremeau is basing his article on their performance in the game while also saying that since they won they will drop off next year.  

The real question is if he would have even written the article in the same light if Michigan had blown VT out.  Nope.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:39 PM | I love these articles! /s (Score:1)
maizeandblue21
Joined: 01/20/2011
MGoPoints: 700

The week before they were predicting Michigan to be a sleeper team now a regress candidate. I skim through most of those articles and go "Okay but the game is played on the field not in the computers right?"

But sir, but sir, BUT NOTHING

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:41 PM | The hell??? That one dude (Score:3 Normal)
mgobleu
mgobleu's picture
Joined: 07/02/2008
MGoPoints: 2515

The hell??? That one dude just said the other day that we're gonna play LSU in the MNC next year!

Somebody's lying to me...

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 7:42 PM | How about Alabama or Penn (Score:2 Normal)
AA2Denver
AA2Denver's picture
Joined: 02/01/2011
MGoPoints: 396

How about Alabama or Penn State? Both teams should drop off. 

WTF are "five year performance indicators"?

-----------------

Screw Lance.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:22 PM | Five-year performance indicator. (Score:1)
Yeoman
Joined: 06/08/2011
MGoPoints: 2247

You compare a team's most recent season to their average over the past five years; whoever exceeded their 5-year average by the most is expected to regress. Then you give it a fancy name so your bosses don't suspect the model was just a spreadsheet put together by your 8-year-old son.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:10 PM | Despite Losing Some Key Players... (Score:1)
LSAClassOf2000
LSAClassOf2000's picture
Joined: 01/07/2011
MGoPoints: 8743

....we will return enough talent at many positions that, if others step up, there isn't any  reason we couldn't be 9-3 or so in the regular season, which is still good for a decent bowl bid, even if it isn't in the BCS. 

As for "five year performance indicators", this seems to be much like measuring distance in kilograms unless you've had a Paterno or a Beamer scenario,  and particularly in our case, it can't be all that accurate. 

"Funny isn't it, how naughty dentists always make that one fatal mistake."

Follow the random tweets of a Michigan alum - http://twitter.com/#!/LorneEC3

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:05 PM | I don't think the schedule is that bad, other than 'Bama and OSU (Score:1)
96goblue00
96goblue00's picture
Joined: 08/17/2008
MGoPoints: 384
September 1 vs. Alabama (in Arlington, TX) ?    
September 8 Air Force W    
September 15 Massachusetts W    
September 22 @ Notre Dame W    
October 6 @ Purdue W    
October 13 Illinois W    
October 20 Michigan State W    
October 27 @ Nebraska W    
November 3 @ Minnesota W    
November 10 Northwestern W    
November 17 Iowa W    
November 24 @ Ohio State ?  

 

 

 

 

Not sure about Alabama, but we could pull it out. They will be depleted based on attrition to the NFL, while we return a lot of offensive starters. Sure they have enough talent to fill in for the departed starters but a lot of them will be fresh. I think Mattison will do a good job with the D and the offense will, hopefully, do well. I am hoping for Nebraska/OSU game Denard. ND is a disaster and next year they will be without Floyd, their biggest offensive weapon. Nebraska loses a ton of people. State will be coming to our house and payback will be sweet. I wonder how the offense will be doing without Cousins. OSU is a toss up. i think we finish 10-2, potentially 11-1 if we can upset 'Bama or OSU.

  • Login or register to post comments
January 4th, 2012 at 8:13 PM | 1) We were not a great road (Score:0 Flamebait)
enlightenedbum
Joined: 06/06/2009
MGoPoints: 1865

1) We were not a great road team this year.

2) Seems like Borges will sometimes lay an egg.

3) South Bend will always freak me out until we win like five in a row, regardless of ND's talent that particular year.

4) I bet Nebraska is fired up to play us and will have a better defense next year.  I wouldn't write off that game yet.

5) Alabama will still have a massive talent advantage, due to oversigning and Rich Rod fucking up the lines and recruiting WRs who are good in open space but have to be called open it seems like.

I would put the over/under at 9.5 and I'd probably call nine marginally more likely than ten if you put a gun to my head.  Still a success, but a slight step back due to the schedule and losing Martin/RVB/Molk.

  • Login or register to post comments
  • 1
  • 2
  • next ›
  • last »
Powered by Pressflow, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.