Free Damon Webb!
Freep: McDowell, Harris and Marshall all visiting this weekend, not Webb
This isn't saying he will be on campus. It's saying he is one of the top five players in the state. Because why would chance Stewart come to the game too?
This is from right after this paragraph you posted above.
"No. 3, Grand Rapids Christian wide receiver Drake Harris, is a Michigan State soft commit who is opening his recruitment after choosing to focus on football, not basketball in college. No. 5 is Southfield defensive end Lawrence Marshall, briefly an Ohio State commitment, but has visited Michigan State twice and will see Michigan this weekend after just three days as a future Buckeye."
No, it doesn't say that Damon Webb or Chance Stewart will be on campus, but it heavily implies it. But, you're right... it's going to be Harris, Marshall and McDowell. That paragraph was just terribly worded.
Why does the Freep regard Harris as an MSU soft commit when he named Kentucky his leader?
well if Brady Hoke gets him to commit to Michigan then that would be proof that Urban's offer was not committable.
When did Brady start recruiting?
Why the question mark? Is this not confirmed? From the chunk you blockquoted, it sounds like he will be.
Actually, now that I read the article, it seems that you just suck at reading, or are being intentionally misleading. It's very clear from the article that 3 of the top 5 instaters will be in AA, with Stewart and Webb the 2 that won't be there.
I definitely agree with your reading of this, but in the OP's defense, that article was horribly written.
It's not great for sure, but in the McDowell and Marshall sections, it clearly says they will be there. The Drake Harris paragraph is vague.
That said, it's not so terribly worded that I didn't know what was being said. It said 3 of the top 5 would be there, and then immediately explained why the other two weren't coming.
A horribly-written Freep article? Blasphemy!
The irony of it is in the byline.
I'll take your word for it, but shoddy writing is just one of many reasons I'm not interested in reading anything from the Freep.
one of those
Edit: I failed to click 'Save' long enough that I was beaten to the punch. I'll just add that it's horribly written because, while the parenthetical thing tells you which two aren't going and why, it doesn't tell you that that's what it's telling you. You have to do too much work to infer from the context what the hell those words are doing there, which is generally not a mark of good writing. I mean, it's just a multi-clause sentence fragment about two people, who are not even the grammatical subject of the sentence, but who are, rather, the two people who are not, of the five people mentioned, the three who are the grammatical subject of the sentence. That's some seriously craptastic writing. To be fair, I think it trades on some convention about condensing information in a different kind of context, but it just doesn't work in journalistic prose.
I completely concede that this article should not be used as an example of good writing. And I also admit that I needed to read through it a second time to see exactly what was being said. You need to do more thinking than an article should require, but after a little of it one can figure out what is being said.
Can we at least agree to change the title to be less misleading? Maybe "Freep: McDowell, Harris and Marshall all visiting this weekend, not Webb" That way it reflects the actual news from the article, and leaves off the misleading bit.
Don't be mad at me for this.
Nice recovery bro...seemed like you were snarkocharged at the start, but retreated. I tried to bring you back to zero, but alas your negs must have been stacked two or three deep.
I like to see newbies post on here (provided their not total douches), but they seem to get gashed the deepest if their entry isn't 100% perfect. This time of year we need more contributions, not less.
Also, the dude's avatar is pretty awesome.
is that we are done at QB for 2014.
and that we were not recruiting Stewart.
McDowell, Lawrence Marshall, and Drake Harris will be on campus. Those are likely the "3 of the top 5" Tim is referencing and he's noting the other 2 (who are NOT visiting by the way it's written) are Webb and Stewart.
But seriously, how much of that article did you read? Please change the title of this post to say that he will not be in campus.
About to decommit from Ohio State
If we persistently announce this, maybe some Buckeye fans will bite and start trolling Webb's twitter, which will annoy him and cause him to decommit from OSU and verbal to Michigan. Keep it up, I say.
Damon's gotta think this through. Not going to Michigan to be "different" is like not accepting a promotion to CEO to be "different." It's a no brainer.
- is a far better school than Ohio State,
- has better football tradition,
- has recruited as well over the three years,
- has won more BCS bowls over the same time span
- is closer to home,
- has more of his friends there, and
- most importantly, has a coach in Brady Hoke who has proven himself far more trustworthy and reliable than Urban, who bailed on his Florida team after they started going south.
Damon's got the rest of his life to be different, but man, Michigan sure could do with his services now that we are back, and Borges and Mattison finally have their peaces in place.
Go Blue Damon! It's not a consolation prize, it's THE prize.
I hate this viewpoint. We don't know him. You hear recruits all the time say, "it was the right place for me". Maybe that's where he felt at home, maybe that's what for him best. Obviously I'd love to see him in a Michigan uniform, and hate that he's going to Ohio, but maybe that was where he felt at home.
want recruits to go there becuase we think it is the better choice? I really don't see the problem here. Its not like he ripped the kids choice, which I agree is pretty stupid.
....he kind of did in his opening paragraph.
Yes, but CURRENTLY Ohio State is a better football program
Based on Wins and loses. But that is not the only thing that goes into a recruits decision.
well if the kid wanted to go to a team that has had more recent success, I dont blame him wanting to go to Ohio State. They went undefeated last year, we had 5 losses
In the worst Big Ten ever and with a horrible non conference schedule. Best non conference team they played was Cal who just fired their head coach.
Edit: Lest we forget Gorgeous Borges brilliant 2nd half gameplan v OSU. Lining up Denard as QB and running up the gut with our awesome interior OLine when everyone and their mother knew Denard couldn't physically throw
What about that would make a kid want to go to Michigan?
If by not playing in a bowl game, you mean currently the bette program than yes.
Or I mean by them having won 8 out of the last 10 meetings against us, going undefeated last year while we had 5 losses, and them going to more BCS bowls.
You must be young and you must be a peasant
I love Michigan and hate Ohio. I dont know what im saying is wrong
As in maybe the age of prospective recruits? As in born in the 90's and has to rely on others to inform him that Michigan used to beat OSU regularly?
I went to U of M in the 90's. I remember that time fondly. I also know that upcoming versions of The Game are going to be very competetive from both sides and Michigan will win their share. But I suspect that High School kids care more about recent history than results from a period that they have no recollection of.
Good points. Tressel did buy recruits for over a decade. Not sure today's recruits remember John Cooper
but posting things people don't want to hear or admit often gets negged. A few posts back, someone said Michigan is a much better school. That's likely true, but by no means is Ohio a horrible school unless you judge the whole institution through your hatred of the FB program.
Was that true 12 months ago when they were 6-7 and we'd just been the only BIG school to win a BCS bowl? Making the decision on just one year of data is shortsighted, and no, Ohio State is not currently the better football program. Over the last two years UM is 19-6, Ohio State is 18-7, and that was with UM square pegging round holes in dealing with RichRod's recruiting blunders. Urban walked into a full cupboard this year, and barely scraped out many close victories. Both teams will be better this year, but to say Ohio is the better program is false.
Just to play devil's advocate...
1. Ohio State is not "that bad" of a school
2. Ohio State has a lot more recent tradition (9 BCS appearances to 5)
3. Brady Hoke has bailed on schools for better jobs
4. OSU campus is a pretty easy drive (it's not like he is playing so far his family couldn't hop in a car Saturday morning to see him play Saturday afternoon)
if we are both seeing the same brady hoke, i dont think he is going anywhere. he has said this has been his dream job and his final destination over and over again.
I agree 100%. Who is to say OSU isn't Urban Meyer's dream job though. I was just showing the other side of the argument. I do believe Urban will leave before Brady for whatever reasons but an 18 year old kid may not think logically or down the road.
Urb had an out to go to ND, UM or OSU when he was at Utah FWIW. Not like he hates UM like Hoke hates OSU
Love and hate are the same emotion.
I'm pretty sure when he was in limbo after leaving Florida, Urban said his dream jobs were Ohio, Michigan, and ND. Basically the biggest and most storied programs with possibilities for job openings in the near future. He's full of shit.
Columbus is a shit hole. Ann Arbor is probably 10 magnitudes higher on the "good place to live" scale.
Brady Hoke has shown no signs of bailing. Urban has (a) his broadcasting option, (b) his heart ailment/family history, and (c) his bailing and coming back to Florida flip flop history. Again, no brainer in terms of who is more reliable.
"Recent' and "Tradition" are contradictory, not to mention relative. If you want to go one year out, sure, if you go three years out, UM 1 BCS win, Ohio 0. If you go ten years out X, if you go 50 years out Y, if you go 100 years out Z...
Flat out Meyer is using Webb to drive a stake in Michigan's heart because he sees the threat being posed here by Hoke and Mattison. I bet he will stop at nothing, and delve into several shady grey areas in terms of inaccuracies that will spew from his lips in order to pluck Webb and work over McDowell and others.
Brady Hoke is simply far more trustworthy.
And until we here from Sam take this as the Freep being misinformed as always.
You're a mean!
Unless you are a girl (or you're getting married to a man, it would be your fiancée.
Good to know. The two always confused me. Thank you for that piece of information.
I think I've learned more grammatical and spelling lessons over the few years of mgoblog reading than I have in all my years of English classes. Sometimes I feel like there's a grading scale attached to each post.
I refuse to click through to read how terribly written this Freep article is.
Could they have made the part about the Top 5 in the state any more complicated.
read into McDowell's entire family visiting with him?
Give Yourself Goosebumps. If you like what you see, go ahead. But if doom seems inevitable, flip back and just go another route.
Not much, but it is definitely a positive. I've heard his family really likes ND. So it will be good to show them what Mich has to offer.
McDowell visitng is the best news in this article. For all the positive things I've heard regarding Michigan's position with him, I had never seen a less interested prospect. Seemed like he was visitng and talking highly of every school but Michigan. Obviousely this changes things. And bringing the whole family... That's good news.
Good to hear. I was getting worried with how much time Marshall has been in EL lately.