TheVictors

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:20 AM ^

How is calling a bunch of punk ass Long Island kids pussies offensive to a lesbian?!

I guarantee it isn't.  In fact, I guarantee all the lesbians from East Quad would +1 my posts all night long.

You are clearly bigoted against Frats but offended because its SAM and not Lambda Chi or Sigma Chi who behaved so incredibly stupid.

That is on you.

Seth

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:25 AM ^

AEPi got kicked off campus while I was in school. We had a song we sang about it to the tune of American Pie. It had many verses and I know them all still.

Bye Bye Alpha Epsilon Pi

Shot a BB in his weenie and they made their pledge cry

Now they can kiss their house, and their charter goodbye...

kehnonymous

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:10 AM ^

cool story bro time:

When I was a frosh in East Quad, some Delta Upsilon frat members visiting a pledge brother in my hall spit beer all over a chalk mural I'd scribed on our room's door; they'd disappeared before we could track them down.  The next day I went over to the house and complained to the guy who answered the door and seemed to Be In Charge and he said he'd look into it.  The only thing I ever got out of the pledge guy on my hall was that it was being handled internally.

Obviously spitting beer over a dorm room's door isn't even in the same universe as what Sigma Nu did at the ski resorts, but all the same I'm a bit nonplussed when I read in the Daily that the "Greek Activities Review Panel will review the complaint and will decide if action needs to be taken"   Yes, we all did stupid shit in our 20's blah blah blah but the moral of *that* old saw is that you fucking faced the consequences of your actions and learned from them.

kehnonymous

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:22 AM ^

sigma alpha mu, whatever.  

Anyways - the bro-hards are 20 year old kids with privileged backgrounds.  Instead of sweeping all of this under the table with daddy's money, maybe have them spend two weeks of scrubbing down the ski resorts and cleaning every bit of debris they left and then have them finish up their credits at a local community college.  Might help those asshats grow up a little.

Don

January 22nd, 2015 at 3:05 AM ^

that the institution can invoke in extreme circumstances, with actions up to expulsion being within the university's discretion?

sierragold

January 22nd, 2015 at 5:28 AM ^

I would like to think that the University can invoke some kind of punishment for all of the students that were involved.

What happened to getting together and just doing a little partying, skiiing, hanging out in the pub, hot tubs,on the slopes and hell you can have a really great time doing all of this without destroying private property. This was an extreme level of damage.

sierragold

January 22nd, 2015 at 4:39 AM ^

With disappointment I might add some people on the blog were not quite willing to accept yet just how bad this really was and how far the news was going to spread. I don't care how drunk a group of Frat Students are, this is destruction to personal property on an extreme level.

I know that the damages they caused will be taken care of, but this is kind of beside the point. I expect better behavior from a University of Michigan student drunk or not.

 

 

sierragold

January 22nd, 2015 at 6:44 AM ^

Reporting that U of M students caused the worst damage in the history of the resort and they host groups all of the time. Damages was to 12 different units at Boyne Highlands over a two day period and the students were kicked out. Damages are still being determined at this time.

Damages in Gaylord exceed 50K. They have not determined yet if charges will be pursued. I would pursue charges in a hot minute.

I would like to see the U of M hand down a form of punishment to make it clear that this behavior is unacceptable from a University of Michigan student. This was a little beyond breaking a little furniture. I was pissed yesterday and it is not much better today, but I had seen the photos when I started the thread yesterday, just didn't post them as a link. I didn't really need to they were all over social media at the time.

Legally, they should face some form of punishment as well.

If it is true that most of the Frat's involved feel as though they are a little priviledged and above the law, if I was the resort owner I would take this into consideration and do everything within the law to show them that if they want to rely on being priviledged to be destructive, guess I would teach them a little lesson of my own legally with every extreme measure available, charges, fines, damage reimbursement and of course a little community service could help bring them down to earth.

If you really want to know how bad it is Google it. Boyne Highlands resort damages by U of M Fraternities.

PeterKlima

January 22nd, 2015 at 7:03 AM ^

I would guess sierragold lived in northern Michigan as well. I can see this as a big story up there. Not much happens. On the other hand, the only place I have seen it is on this board. I am sure the Freep wrote a story on it, but they also write lots of odd news stories each day.




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sierragold

January 22nd, 2015 at 7:23 AM ^

Did at one time live in Norhern Michigan, not at the present time. I have ties to the area and have rented condos several times at Boyne Highland, in Harbor Springs.

I am not up north around the news outlets, but they are on my twitter so I directly hear some of the reports.

This is personal to me because of both my love of the area up north and the University of Michigan.

mgoblue0970

January 22nd, 2015 at 6:56 PM ^

This is personal to me because of both my love of [snip] the University of Michigan

Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner!

The fratboy douches in here attacking me for being intolerant and stereotypical don't get this...

There are ~40K students at Michigan... but 40-50 individuals impacted everyone else's reputation; merely though association. It may not be fair but in the big boy world, perception is indeed reality!

Wake up folks!

mgoblue0970

January 22nd, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^

During prime time yesterday evening, it was on the main link on the front page of detnews.com -- complete with a huge picture of the destruction.

It was also on the front page of NYT last night.

So... it's more prevalent than you thought.

Fuck the freep.  I expect them to milk this for all it's worth.

Avant's Hands

January 22nd, 2015 at 6:42 AM ^

What did they even do to cause that damage? It seems strange to see the ceiling decimated while the walls are virtually intact. I browsed through the comments and didn't see it mentioned anywhere.

Regardless, this is pretty shitty.

sierragold

January 22nd, 2015 at 7:26 AM ^

Boyne Highlands has a few photos of the Unit Damages although not all. They broke furniture, tv's, damage to walls, ruined carpeting, disruptive and rood to the other guests and their families at the resort, noise and I could go on. They were kicked out of Boyne Highland's. A few photos from Boyne Highland's that could be Googled. Of course apologies have also been written from the U of M and from the Frat's at the U of M.

I would imagine that at Treetops in Gaylord this is just one of the photos and they are still determining if charges will be filed.

I grew up in the area so am very fond of Boyne, Boyne Highlands and the Gaylord area our family still owns property up north. The U of M is also very important to me and my family with plans for my daughter to attend the U of M, which is why I am probably so upset at this behavior. This is on so many news outlets and all of them are reporting U of M Fraternities caused the worst damage that has ever been done in the history of Boyne Highlands.

This could also affect future students who would also like to stay at the resorts. You know what they say about a few bad apples. I don't care if they have wealthy parents, they have showed me a lack of class.

I say pursue charges for the students involved and maybe they will grow up a little. They are college students at the University of Michigan and should act accordingly when representing the U of M.

sierragold

January 22nd, 2015 at 9:32 AM ^

I am going to assume you mean it is rude of the students that destroyed private property.

Mgoblog will call out FANS that are destructive from other Universities and this entire thing and why it is so damning is that it was and is not the fans of the U of M, but it is the STUDENTS of the University of Michigan that were so destructive to personal property and disruptive to other guests and their families that went to the resorts for a nice weekend.

Where is your rood comment coming from? Do you really defend the action of the students because they are immature 20 year olds and actually aren't even old enough to drink according to Michigan Law and if they do undertake drinking should be able to carry themselves better representing the U of M, or not drink at all if they can't handle drinking.

How the hell do you get bored at a ski resort. Afterall most people go there for a weekend of skiing, hang out a the pub to warm up between runs, enjoy the hottubs and skating and so much for do for activities without destroying private property and being rude to other guests that in turn tend to affect the other guests weekend as well.

Rood, is what the students done in very poor disregard of the property owners and the University of Michigan.

I have stated my disappointment enough! If others don't quite get it. That is too bad for them.

Sam1863

January 22nd, 2015 at 7:39 AM ^

From their website: "Sigma Alpha Mu's Mission is to foster the development of collegiate men and our alumni by instilling strong fraternal values, offering social and service opportunities, encouraging academic excellence and teaching leadership skills."

Here's a service opportunity for you, guys: Haul your entitled little asses back up north and clean up your shit. And take your checkbook.

Surveillance Doe

January 22nd, 2015 at 8:29 AM ^

I make a point of hiring Michigan alums. As a general rule, if an applicant starts talking about his frat during an interview, I ding him for being immature. Unless the names of those involved come out, I'll start making a point of asking about affiliation. I'll ding anyone associated with this frat going forward.

Surveillance Doe

January 22nd, 2015 at 11:12 AM ^

I work in an industry in which our clients entrust us with a great deal, and my employees need to be very self-aware, especially when it comes to representing themselves. Like it or not, when you start talking about being in a frat, that doesn't instill trust in anyone. More often than not, people are going to associate that with issues like partying, hazing, property damage, and the like. Lacking the social awareness to recognize that is an issue.

I love the University of Michigan, and I want to help our alums as much as I can. I have three degrees from Michigan, and I did most post-doc there as well. The last person I hired has two degrees from Michigan. In fact, my firm has more Michigan alums than alums of any other school. But I cannot risk having people with this kind of disregard for others' property working for me. If that makes me a terrible boss, so be it. 

Surveillance Doe

January 22nd, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^

I think you missed the point. This isn't about me drawing conclusions about anyone. It's about needing people who I can trust to know what's socially acceptable when interacting with clients. Someone who will talk about his fraternity when given a limited opportunity to put his best foot forward and to try to impress me might not have the kind of judgment I would need in a person I'm going to put in high-stakes situations with clients--especially clients who have been screwed over in the past by others and come in with heightened sensitivities.

As discussed below, there may be instances where discussing your greek life experiences are appropriate during a limited window to impress someone, but those instances are going to be rare in the professional world. 

mgoblue0970

January 22nd, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^

I guess I'm a shitty boss too because I do the exact same thing.

1. Culture (meaning organizational/office culture) begins at hiring.

2. I want to be able to explicitly trust staff and not worry about them on travel, in front of clients, etc... so character counts.

Surveillance Doe

January 22nd, 2015 at 12:21 PM ^

Absoutely, there is a time and a place, and that's why it's a general rule and not an absolute blanket policy. But it's a delicate issue to get into no matter what. I have to think about how a client might interpret what's being said. In the majority of cases, it is not handled well. The big question should always be whether the advantages of providing that information substantially outweigh any negative inferences that could possible be drawn from that information. 

CompleteLunacy

January 22nd, 2015 at 8:44 AM ^

I hope the university destroys the frat responsible for this. It's embarrassing to the university and by the looks of it seems like zero-tolerance policy should be enforced. $50K seems almost a small amount...they're lucky the hotel doesn't sue them for more.

The_Mad Hatter

January 22nd, 2015 at 8:49 AM ^

has certainly gone in a different direction than yesterday's.  Not nearly as many people playing the "boys will be boys" card.

I hope at least some of those little shits face actual consequences for their actions.  And if that Frat actually has a budget line item for property damage when they book trips their charter should be yanked for encouraging this jackassery.

sierragold

January 22nd, 2015 at 9:41 AM ^

You noticed this as well. I received alot of negative votes yesterday when I started the thread, but prior to starting the thread I had viewed alot of damage photos and was disgusted that this was damage from Students, not fans.

It does seem to have taken a little bit of a different turn today. Odd, though I had all of this information yesterday, it did just happen over the weekend and before posting the thread had read through several articles in social media and the more I read, well the more disturbing it was.

The_Mad Hatter

January 22nd, 2015 at 10:24 AM ^

it's worth, I appreciated you posting the original thread.  And I went back and upvoted most of your posts therein to make up for all the downvotes.

I'm with you though.  These guys are attending one of the top academic institutions on the planet.  I would expect better of them.  Youth and alcohol are poor excuses for their behavior.

mgoblue0970

January 22nd, 2015 at 10:59 AM ^

Well, I've seen a lot less fratboys in here than yesterday.  Those cowards from yesterday justifying their actions, and the good, wholesome, philanthropic-first nature of the Greek system, seem to be strangely quiet now that this has hit the mainstream media and there is photographic evidence of the event.  Huh @double blue?!

OccaM

January 22nd, 2015 at 11:53 AM ^

Yeah fuck those guys for not overreacting without any evidence. Like that doesn't happen in America...

NO ONE justified the actions yesterday. People were pointing out the ridiculousness of all the coverage when it will be dealt with regardless. It's not like they're getting away with it. Not to mention in the last thread all the detailed pictures weren't available. Only the 50k amount. This fake outrage is a constant thing in the internet age and gets tiresome. 

These idiots should have cleaned up after themselves, assessed the damage and manned up. Either way they are being held accountable and regardless of your opinion, money will eventually sweep this shit under the rug whether you like it or not. That is society. Live with it. 

You're clearly a hater of all things Greek Life. Sorry did you not get a bid somewhere? 

 

mgoblue0970

January 22nd, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^

I'm not a hater of Greek life... just fratboy douches... There are a lot of great Greek organizations -- honor society, societies based upon major or professional affiliation, etc.

There was evidence yesterday. I had seen pictures of it yesterday when I posted in @sierragold's post. Take your head out of the sand man.

Those idiots should have never done the damage in the first place. Cleaning doesn't enter equation if you respect other people's things and behave like an adult...

...and it's giving Michigan as a whole a black eye. Grow up.