Frank Clark dismissed from the program
November 17th, 2014 at 6:18 PM ^
Showed up in the wrong place
November 17th, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^
Frank Clark has been dismissed from the Michigan football team, per this statement from Brady Hoke. pic.twitter.com/7qo2ItVtDU
— Ace Anbender (@AceAnbender) November 17, 2014
November 17th, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^
Only thing Hoke could've done. Deuces, Frank.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:16 AM ^
Couple years too late. But the right call.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^
Dude, shut up. You are not the grand judge of who is allowed to stay and go on this football team. I saw your post in the other thread. "I don't want this guy getting a degree from MY university."
Give me a break. Who do you think you are?
November 17th, 2014 at 11:38 AM ^
I'm not a grand judge of anything. It is my opinion that Brady Hoke erred in keeping a kid who committed felony larceny on the team for two plus years. Sad it's come to this.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:40 AM ^
Felony larceny makes stealing a laptop sound a lot worse than it reall is.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^
Felony larceny just means he had good taste by getting an expensive Apple. He could've went with the ACER in the next room and been much better off with the misdemeanor. Let's not make his first screw up out like he robbed a bank. He made a poor decision by taking a laptop out of a dorm room.
This second charge, if true, is obviously much worse. I look forward to him having his day in court and getting to explain his side of things. I will hold all judgement until the dispute is settled in a court of law.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^
C'mon man...don't write off stealing a laptop like he stole someone's can of Diet Coke from the fridge. He went into a dorm room, and stole a laptop. There's no downplaying that. If it was a 50" LED TV would you downplay that too? Costs the same as a laptop.
November 17th, 2014 at 1:01 PM ^
than if he went into Best Buy and stole it. Stealing a laptop from a fellow student is really low
November 17th, 2014 at 6:16 PM ^
November 17th, 2014 at 9:19 PM ^
I'll add that comparing this to the laptop incident is bullshit for anyone and everyone who makes that comparison. They're two totally different issues.
November 17th, 2014 at 6:32 PM ^
I'll add that State Street's comments are WAY out of line. Get off your high horse. Not every 18-19 year old is going to be perfect on a team of 115 college young men and 30 new faces every year.
College kids do dumb shit and there are consequences whether that is stealing or sliding across the hood of a car. Beating a woman (allegedly) doesn't fall into a dumb mistake. Neither does punching a security guard.
But you and your arrogance is ridiculous. "My University?" Man fuck you - and with the utmost sincerity. That's bullshit and get out of here with that nonsense. You can disagree that Clark deserved a second chance but for you to pull an "I told you so" after a woman was allegedly beaten is beyond bush league...it's a bitch move.
November 17th, 2014 at 7:56 PM ^
Dude, theft and beating a woman are NOT normal behavior for 18-19 year old college kids. I'm sorry. They're just not.
Fuck me for thinking there's something wrong with that, right?
November 17th, 2014 at 9:21 PM ^
I didn't say either was normal.
So yes, fuck you.
What I said was that they're not the same. And if you knew a woman who has been beaten, you'd understand why they aren't the same.
So again, fuck you.
Because for you to compare the two is highly offensive.
November 17th, 2014 at 6:41 PM ^
Anyone blaming this on Hoke or using it to prove why he should be fired should also slap themself.
Hoke's done A LOT of things to get fired. This isn't one. We don't need to make this about football or a football coach. We also don't need to fill that urge of finding a scapegoat or person to blame...we'll know who's to blame when the legal system plays itself out. I can't be certain, but I'm pretty sure Coach Hoke will not be involved with this case. He isn't the one being charged, he wasn't the one in jail.
Sure, he recruited the guy. But he in no way has a history of recruiting high numbers of players with issues with the law. Good families have people who get in trouble with the law, good companies have people who are arrested, this is no different.
Shake your head, pray for those involved and hope that justice is served.
This isn't a Penn St. "culture" issue. From what I've read it's not like Clark had a past of (documented) domestic abuse and Hoke was allowing him to continue to remain part of the program. So let's keep Hoke out of this one. He's got enough problems with things he DOES impact...Shane Morris' health, PR around his program and most importantly, wins and losses. He's done, but it's got nothing to do with Frank Clark.
November 17th, 2014 at 7:22 PM ^
Mr. Yost., I am glad I am not the only one to hit save and have multiples (in my case 50+) of the same thing posted. No way could I have used all 50+ for "good" without being sent to Bolivia. You played it well.
I would still like the option of a delete button to make my multiples posts disappear.
November 17th, 2014 at 9:22 PM ^
...but in the days of 2014 Michigan Football...nothing comes easy.
November 17th, 2014 at 3:11 PM ^
Stealing a laptop is more than just stealing a pricey item. I had a friend in my Master's program who had his laptop stolen out of his car, which contained all his data from his lab. Despite my friend being an idiot for not backing it up... he lost everything and couldn't complete his degree. Not to mention all the pictures and other stuff that was sentimental. So you've got to also think of it as someone rifling through your DVD collection, your music CDs, your photo albums and just ganking all of it.
November 17th, 2014 at 3:47 PM ^
I guess I'm old enough that I finally back up, but at that age - you could have ruined my life by stealing my laptop. Actually, wait, I think I'm just a year or two too old to have had a laptop during college. Fuck, I'm old. I may not have had a laptop and I'm too old to remember if I did.
November 17th, 2014 at 3:44 PM ^
November 17th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
i don't know about you, but I think stealing a laptop sounds pretty damn terrible.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:51 AM ^
Haven't you heard? Everybody steals. Steals from you, steals from me, whatever.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^
Exactly. I have never understood this nonsense that he "just" stole a $1,500 laptop. It seems like kind of a big deal to me.
November 17th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^
I think they're just pointing out that it's a technicality why it was deemed a felony as opposed to a misdemeanor charge of larceny. For example, would it be no big deal to steal a $100 dollar laptop vs. a $500 laptop vs. a $1500 laptop. At some point, the item is de minimis as determined by the legal system and not covered by the higher charges, etc.
November 17th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^
How does the law adjust for inflation? $1500 today is not worth the same as $1500 30 or 40 years ago.
November 17th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^
conducted every year to determined if the fluxuation in the price of certain goods results in the re-classification of crimes from felony to misdemeanor or vice versa. Every year the Judge receives a Walmart catalog and every person convicted of larceny comes in front of the Judge to see it there conviction remains the same. Of course the defendant has the opportunity to present evidence that the Walmart price is not indicative of the actual price, they can bring catalogs of their own, Best Buy, Target, etc.
This is a well established part of American jurisprudence.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:59 AM ^
While I don't approve of stealing. I think it's totally different from domestic violence or any crime of a violent nature.
At least, I can understand why a poor kid steals when he's surrounded by a bunch of rich kids.
November 17th, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^
rich kids shouldn't have personal property rights, because they're rich? Gotcha.
November 17th, 2014 at 12:42 PM ^
November 17th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
Because you have a laptop, a vital tool in an academic setting, you are rich?
He didn't steal Gucci loafers, he stole something that other kids actually needs to do his work.
November 17th, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^
Ok, fine. Let's just say "better off" or "upper middle class" or whatever defintiion you prefer instead of the word "rich". I guess I just have a different definition because I grew up in a family where my parents made less than $10k a year so I thought that everyone else was "rich" compared to me. Sorry, I often make the mistake of speaking from my own perspective.
November 17th, 2014 at 2:22 PM ^
not to be a dick, but two people have to try pretty hard to combined make 10k a year. Unless this was years ago and 10k bought you a lot more.
why do you feel the need to bring it up anyways?
November 17th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^
Obviously, larceny remains a crime. Any one citizen is afforded the same protections under the law as another.
From personal experience, I've been both "poor" (literally) and "rich" (or well-off). When I was poor, I was tempted by "wanting what others had"; now that I'm well-off, I can just buy whatever I want without thinking much about it.
All I'm saying is that I can understand what it feels like to be poor and to be in want. Of course, people shouldn't act on those feelings and stealing is bad, etc.
November 17th, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^
I understood what you meant, and you're right. A lot of people want to sit on high horse and say what is "right" or "wrong" without thinking about why some people sometimes do wrong things. You can understand why someone did a wrong thing or have empathy for that person while still maintaining that the thing is wrong.
Frank Clark comes from a different world than I come from. I don't know what his is like, but I can acknowledge that it's different and may impact a lot of his actions or decisions.
November 17th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^
Stealing the laptop - whether it's worth $250 or $3K is wrong and should be punished. It's also really easy to see where a kid might make a mistake like this. For me though, it's pretty easy to forgive that sort of offense. Put a couple strong years in doing right by people and the story of your crime rightly becomes the story of your redemption.
Clark still has a path to such redemption, but it's a hell of a lot steeper than the one he made for himself by stealing a kid's computer.
November 17th, 2014 at 4:28 PM ^
He should have just borrowed money from said rich kids.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:40 AM ^
So you were of the opinion that his career prospects should have been destroyed for stealing a computer?
November 17th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^
Your right, I did think it was a state run institution. With that being said, if you guy by his criteria of if you have commited a crime, you should not be able to graduate, there would be a lot less alumni! Look at the guy who donates millions to the business school. He donated so much that they put his name on a building. Well he was just charged in some "money crime" and ordered to pay the largest single fine in history! I wonder if Michigan will take his name of the building? Better yet, give the money he donated back because it was probably illegal. Its almost like drug money. Either way, tragic situation and Hoke did the right thing..
November 17th, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^
...a medical research institute and the architecture school are all named after a convicted felon. Like most large institutions, our claim to moral authority depends a lot on the context.
November 17th, 2014 at 12:28 PM ^
Completely agree.
November 17th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
Please. People deserve second chances, especially when it comes to a kid from a troubled background stealing a laptop. No reason to trash someones life for a single act of larceny!
Beating up the GF, OTOH, is entriely different.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
Hope Frank gets the counseling he needs.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
Absolutely shitty situation, but absolutely correct decision. Hope Frank gets help and gets his life together. But first I'm afraid he's going to have a debt to society to pay.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
Hope the woman is OK and that Clark gets his life in order and becomes a changed man.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
November 17th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
Was he dismissed from both the program AND Michigan?
November 17th, 2014 at 11:19 AM ^
Hoke can't expell a student.
November 17th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
Obviously, but I heard from someone else that he was expelled, but wasn't sure if that was true or they meant he was kicked off the team. I guess it doesn't reallty matter. Hope the dude figures his life out.