Frank Cignetti Sr. on Rodriguez

Submitted by Trebor on

I had the day off from work, so a buddy of mine and I decided to hit up the golf course our league is playing an outing at next week.

On the 7th hole, I hook my drive next to the tees for the 8th hole. As I'm standing there waiting for my friend to hit (he sliced his drive to the 9th fairway but about 50 yards short of mine), a group of older gentlemen pull up to the 8th tee. One of them makes a comment about my Michigan hat, inquiring what connection I have. I reply that I graduated in 2007, and moved to Pittsburgh for my job. He replies that one of the men he was golfing with was Frank Cignetti, Sr., the West Virginia coach before Nehlen. The guy then asks me what I think of Rodriguez (my view, for those wondering: I think he's doing the right things, but there are so many things working against him it doesn't seem fair).

I proceed to hit my ball, as do the three of them, and before we go, I ask Frank what he thinks of Rodriguez, being a former WVU coach. His response:

"I think he's an excellent coach, but he's at the wrong place."

I thought it was an interesting view from a guy who's been in the coaching business for a while (and one who has a son presently working as the OC for Pittsburgh). And it's something I can see merit in, given the way it seems he's been treated since the day he was hired.

John L. Smith

August 20th, 2010 at 6:44 PM ^

The way the program shifted is in the same vien of when the world found out it wasn't flat. We underestimated how tough it was going to be, and are feeling the pain from it. That said, every year has gotten a little better, a little closer to the way RRod wants it. This year will be an improvement, leaving us begging for next year, when we will finally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Zone Left

August 20th, 2010 at 6:55 PM ^

Yeah, it's entirely possible.  Michigan is a fishbowl, and some people struggle in situations like that.  The many well-publicized gaffs lend credence to that theory.

You're right though, we'll see what happens after this season and (maybe) 2011.

elhead

August 20th, 2010 at 7:17 PM ^

It would help to better know what he meant. It's a comment that is open to a lot of interpretations. Considering the source, it almost comes across as defeatist. I can think of a lot of things that Rich Rod has done that would have been better avoided. By same token if in fact he came to A2 without having been cut out for the environment, then I have to admire him for having the guts to put up with everything, and also to be able to change enough to accomodate to certain aspects of the place. I figure that in the end, Rodriguez will end up being as much of a "Michigan Man" as Bo (Ohio), Fritz Crisler (Illinois) or Fielding Yost (West Virginia...).

Blue-Chip

August 20th, 2010 at 7:22 PM ^

The fact is whoever the first coach to be outside the Bo coaching tree was going to have to drag the program kicking and screaming in his direction.  RR's direction is just that much more of a change.  I still believe he can succeed, and we are headed in that direction.  He just needs to outlast the storm.

twohooks

August 20th, 2010 at 7:23 PM ^

He could be right, but I doubt it. I think his personal experience following Bobby Bowden at WVU was a failure and he may be referencing to that. RR will create his own legacy while Coach Cignetti can polish his Division II trophies, respectively.

steve sharik

August 20th, 2010 at 7:50 PM ^

...then the problem is the place, not the coach.

If only coaches who run the ball, play bend-but-don't-break defense and try not to win, but rather to avoid losing, can "fit" at Michigan, I am done.

So many Bo disciples believe it in just that biblical sense.  The Bo Way is the only way.  Any place that is that conservative is a place I don't want my allegiance going to.

Kilgore Trout

August 20th, 2010 at 8:52 PM ^

If you truly think those are the reasons Rodriguez is not accepted with open arms, I think you're really missing the boat.  I don't think the "Bo Way" has all that much to do with style on the field.  The Bo offense I saw as a kid didn't even resemble what Moeller and Carr ran.  Of all the issues Rodriguez has had adjusting to UM, the style of play on the field is at the bottom of the list.

SysMark

August 21st, 2010 at 10:30 AM ^

this belonged here...

 

I'm with you completely.

Ironically Michigan is one of the most non-conservative campuses in the country.  It is just this one little area - football - where for some reason we have to be stuck in this retro mode of operating.  I think once there is success, and I think it will be very soon, the change will be embraced and we can add football to the countless other disciplines where we are innovators and leaders.

SysMark

August 20th, 2010 at 7:55 PM ^

"I think he's an excellent coach, but he's at the wrong place."

Not directing this at the OP because he is just repeating what was said but comments like this would mean more if there were some specifics to go with it.  Why is he in the wrong place?  Personally I think he is great for Michigan and hope he gets to stick around to prove the naysayers wrong.

SysMark

August 20th, 2010 at 8:18 PM ^

I'm with you completely.

Ironically Michigan is one of the most non-conservative campuses in the country.  It is just this one little area - football - where for some reason we have to be stuck in this retro mode of operating.  I think once there is success, and I think it will be very soon, the change will be embraced and we can add football to the countless other disciplines where we are innovators and leaders.

Wendyk5

August 20th, 2010 at 9:18 PM ^

You have to wonder what he says behind closed doors. Does he regret the decision to come to Michigan? He never could have foreseen everything that's happened. Whether he's at the right place or not, whether he wins or loses, I feel for the guy. I can't imagine struggling in the national media like he has. 

the_white_tiger

August 20th, 2010 at 9:35 PM ^

I think he's right. Rodriguez is a great football coach, but this is not a good place to be right now. Right coach, wrong place, wrong time. Penn State will be experiencing this shortly.

dnak438

August 20th, 2010 at 10:14 PM ^

that RR should have stayed at his alma mater and his home state (you know, a sentiment along the lines of "West Virginia is where he belongs"), or is that too naive of me?

AlwaysBlue

August 20th, 2010 at 10:36 PM ^

I feel for the guy. I can't imagine struggling in the national media like he has. 

Media around the country have been after Rodriguez since he sent a runner with his resignation letter at WVU (instead of in person).  I heard a lot of it traveling around the country, the suggestions were that he did WVU wrong after they went above and beyond to keep him and that he wasn't up to the class and standards of Michigan.  I realize a lot of the noise was just sour grapes but there are some facts, like his contract dispute deposition, that speak for themselves.  A better record would have broken up the dark cloud over his head he arrived with, unfortunately he seems to have kept that initial narrative alive. 

Personally I think Brandon is helping Rodriguez a lot.  He has a connection to the tradition that Martin never provided and he seems to understand moving forward doesn't necessitate blowing up meaningful symbols.

Michigasling

August 20th, 2010 at 11:23 PM ^

I know someone who moved to Pittsburgh about a year after you and is feeling isolated on football Saturdays.  There's no alumni club there-- do you know of a place to watch Michigan games?

Trebor

August 21st, 2010 at 10:03 AM ^

Sadly, there isn't any Michigan-centric area to watch the games. There are a lot of OSU/PSU fans (not to mention Pitt/WVU) that take over any sports bars that are around me.

Whereabouts in the city does he live? When I'm in town for gametime, I usually just watch at home, and there's always room in my place for people to show up.

Michigasling

August 22nd, 2010 at 4:31 PM ^

And thanks on the friend's behalf, but considering that said friend is probably a generation or two older than you, suspect would feel more comfortable sharing the experience with other old fogeys, but will probably do as you, watch what is available at home.