to play football, not to play trumpet
Sometimes you just have to cut a man loose.
I half-expected the Freep Jr. to try to blame RR for this and bring up Demar Dorsey as inevitably following the same path. So when I skimmed the article I the name Dorsey jumped out at me. I was releived that when I read more closely the Doresy in this story is an Ypsi cop. No mentiono or blame of RR in this story either. Very suprising straigt news piece from Freep Jr.
Give it time; Drew probably needs a couple of days to crap out one of his columns.
Seriously, for a subset of our fan base the game has been over for at least a few months. They've already blamed RichRod for this.
Don't worry the freep is probably busy FOIAing Cissoko's phone records right now.
Since Cissoko was basically a Carr recruit.
The story would not fit the Freep's predetermined theorem, that all bad things at Michigan are attributable to Rich Rodriguez.
Can anybody find the story Mick McCabe did, warning the world that in recruiting Cissoko, Lloyd Carr had essentially recruited an outlaw? No? Maybe it's because there was no such story. Sometimes things don't turn out the way Mick McCabe expects.
So maybe Rodriguez was on track by dismissing him from the team. A review of the blogs on this and threads might be interesting...
At this point we should just hope he gets his act together for his sake.
Or maybe we should hope the pizza guy and cab driver, who might be working those jobs for their families, feel safe enough to continue working comfortably. Amazing how much sympathy is directed at the perp in situations like this and not the victims.
There is a difference in "sympathizing" with Cissoko and thinking it's sad that in 8 months a kid went from starting at CB as a sophomore for one of the most storied college football teams to having completely fucked his life up. I don't sympathize with Cissoko - he made his bed, and hopefully he turns things around from here on out. I do think it's sad when a young kid ruins his life, however.
He's just plain dumb. Threw away everything for nothing and scarred someone for life. No sympathy for him and saying it's sad insinuates sympathy. Like I said below, if his situation should be seen as sad so should Winston's problems.
Are being deliberately dense? How many times do I need to say "I don't have sympathy for him"?
It's sad that he's 19, and has fucked his life up. It's his responsibility for being in this situation, and it's his responsibility to get out.
I also think it's "sad" that Winston can't fucking control himself. These guys have great opportunities to at least get an education, and they're fucking them up. I think that's sad.
English please. Are being deliberately dense? What does that mean?
Ah, yes. "deliberate" and "dense" are not part of the english language?
I'm wondering if you're being willfully ignorant, or just ignoring what I'm saying.
Praytell - what is YOUR opinion on Demar Dorsey? I want to see one of the people sermonizing about the irredeemable evil of Cissoko to put their money where their mouth is.
And please, continue to neg me for disagreeing with you. I have 8000+ points, I'm not saving up for a Brian Cook bobblehead.
Face it, he isn't going to get the point.
These are the exact same people who will rip on Dorsey for his past, rip on him if he doesn't qualify, then laud his story when he is a two time All-Big Ten selection after undergoing several years of JUCO in order to qualify.
What bothers me isn't that this guy has been intentionally ignorant throughout this thread, it's that he has gotten posbanged repeatedly in this thread, suggesting that a scary number of people agree with him.
You try to insult me so I reciprocate and you can't even get it. Your first sentence wasn't a complete one. Geez. I guess things will have to be spelled out for you. My opinion on Dorsey is that he hasn't even been given an opportunity to be around a structured environment. BooBoo had that but that didn't seem to work. If you believe any of the things RR says then you would believe that he gives these kids all the help they can get with class and tries to teach them to be good men. If Dorsey screws up and it involves something that is non-violent then I will feel sad for him. I do not feel sad for anyone who commits violence or intimidates with it to rob someone or otherwise.
You know nothing about the structure or lack thereof in Dorsey's environment other than the arrest reports.
How many names did you get above 20 points so that you could so ably wield imaginary points?
Either do you. I have my opinion of things as do you. If you disagree then I have no problem debating. I haven't negged a single post on here. If you feel it necessary to do so with mine then by all means and I find your last sentence extremely insulting. I haven't personally attacked you even though you have done so to me.
You commend yourself for not having insulted the person you are debating with in CWoodson, but appear to have no remorse for abasing someone you don't know, in Boubacar Cissoko.
If CWoodson were to rob someone then things would read the same for him. If you feel the need to defend everyone on here then by all means. I, however, find it sad that you are doing such. Check it out, I used some commas.
I'm not defending Boo Boo in any way, but I do however, find your logic full of holes, and amusingly terrible.
Funny that everything this Zeke has said (regardless of how illogical it was) has been given pos-bangs???
So I would just like to say how sad it is that you pos-bang yourself with multiple accounts you've made. You must feel so proud to gain all those wonderful points! Perhaps you'll even become MASTER OF MGOBLOG POINTS! Then you can wear a robe and prance around your Mother's basement (99% that's wear you live) singing "I am the Champion".
And I know that I'll have negative bangs for this... all of which will come from Zeke's aliases. Just saying what everyone else was thinking.
literally THOUSANDS of computers.
As someone who insulted chitown for the grammatical mistake of leaving out the word, "you," in one of his posts, there are a stunning lack of commas in your post.
If you're going to compare Dorsey with Cissoko, it's worth pointing out that one was 16 when he committed the crimes and the other was 20.
And one broke into a person's house with a firearm, and the other:
1) attempted to rob a taxi driver with a BB gun
2) snatched cash out of delivery person's hands
I think there's a difference in the severity of the crimes. Given the age, can well call it a wash?
Look - Cissoko should be sentenced and punished for his crime. He has nobody to blame but himself. But there's a vibe on this thread that acts like he's irredeemably evil, and not just a petty offender. Some people are so eager to pronounce a 19 year old a lost cause, and that, in my mind, is too bad.
Are you really going to parse through the types of crimes they committed and argue that one was worse than the other? They were both awful. I think it's a little easier to rationalize this behavior from a 16-year-old living in the ghetto than a 20-year-old who's recently spent over a year in a closely-monitored college football program. (BTW, is there a reason why you keep taking a year off Cissoko's age? He's 20.)
How many of us knew shit from good chocolate at 19 years of age and how many of us know someone who could have been arrested for some stupid crap they (or us) were involved in...thinking here to anyone who has bought marijuana, fought anyone outside a bar etc. etc.
Anyway, I feel for the victims of the offense and sadly Cissoko is clearly an idiot. This said, I hope the kid gets it together.
I don't want to go overboard trashing a guy whose life is in disarray, but let's not act like armed robbery is normal behavior for a 20-year-old.
Wow. This thread has literally gotten out of control. I think what we can all agree on is that he has made some really bad decisions and he should reap what he has sown. The only part that is sad is what could have been. His current circumstances aren't sad, they're infuriating. I say that because, like someone else has stated in this thread, there is no more need for more criminals in this World. If he ever turns things around then he should be commended because, as we can all see, it's going to be a long road.
That is why he should learn the hard way. I doubt things will work out for him. I've known so many like him. Not a one has turned it around.
Huh? First off, how in the heck do I get negged for something like that? I don't really care too much about points but if someone doesn't like what I said then I'd at least like to hear why.
You're just being bullheaded saying that he'll never turn it around. It seems like you don't want him to. Was that your kid that he robbed? That is what it is starting to look like. He's a bad young adult but hopefully he doesn't become a bad adult. For societies sake you should hope he turns it around.
I'm going to be done with two points:
1) Nobody has argued, at any time through the 100+ replies, that BC should not "learn the hard way," not be punished, not go to jail. You've created a straw man and twisted words from your first post. For some mysterious reason, everyone who has suggested that the whole situation is too bad or argued with you or mocked you has been negbanged in minutes. I'm sure it has nothing to do with you.
2) "I've known so many like him" is extremely pretentious and particularly galling, as you literally know nothing about him other than 1) great football player and 2) arrested. I am not arguing that this ends well, in fact, I suspect quite the opposite. But to act like you have some special knowledge about him (or Dorsey's environment) is ridiculous.
I guess I am being an unreasonable douche. I'll save my MGoMeltDown for a more important topic. Maybe underwear, they really piss me off.
Pants would be my mgomeltdown topic of choice, but underwear is right up there. Unfortunately I have to pick one to wear, unless I go commando with shorts, or JORTS!
EDIT: Unless, I don't.....?
because i have to say he would have been perfect for the Bandit position in this 3-3-5 defense we're running this year?
Yes, it's too soon.
I was going to add in some flaming and/or outrage, but mainly I'm just sad.
for a good pun, which yours is. This knucklehead's downward spiral has been dramatic. Grabbing money out of the hands of pizza delivery guys? C'mon. I know it's easy for me to say, but if I had the athletic ability to earn a football scholarship to one of the greatest universities in the world, I wouldn't throw it away.
BUT to say what you would do when you have never spent a minute in his shoes is AWFULLY high and mighty of you.
I hope the system can help to make him a productive member of society.
Unfortunately, that's not really what the system does. Hopefully BooBoo gets it right somehow.
...what they say about bad jokes.
Unfortunate. This kid had a lot of potential and physical tools, but can't see the forest through the trees. I wish him the best.
Looks like the structure of football would have been good for him, too bad he didn't grab on to a lower tier school.
At least he's former and not current. Still too bad.
Edit: When I say too bad, I am referring to the victims, not Cissoko himself. He made a choice to commit armed robbery and won't find any sympathy from me. Provided he's guilty of course but it looks pretty clear.
At least he still has his speed.
Not really, thats why hes was caught by police, lack of elite long speed.
Anyway, I really wish that getting kicked off the team would have been a wakeup call to turn his life around. Its a shame when people get such opportunities and just throw them away. Hopefully this will be the rock bottom and he can still grow up and become a productive member of society.
How was his pad level?
RR, UM Promoted Crime With On-Field Music
"Steve Miller Band Told Me To" Says Cissoko
It's really sad to see a life that had such potential even a year ago being flushed away by, well, who knows by what. But I hope for his own sake that Cissoko gets his shit together, even if that means a stay in jail.
Dammit. My post-modernist roots want me to type that some kids never get a break. My existentialist leanings want me to type that some kids never learn.
Either way, I wish this didn't happen.
to forget about post-modernism and whatever else I shouldve learned about and didnt and Carr you just had to ruin it didnt you!?
...you should expect he's going to try and learn you some stuff.
Wow, this is truely sad. He seemed to be such a good kid.
Wow, he's going to have to really work his tail off to crack the starting line up now.
Nah, just a flick of the pen to transfer to State.
EDIT: Shit. The previous response was on the next page when I commented. My bad.
I was one click away from having a personalized authentic jersey from the MDen with 33 and Boo Boo on it last year. Man I'm glad the price made me change my mind. Truly sad, he was one of my favorites.
Yeah. This is just sad. It sounds like this kid is just hard up right now, with nowhere else to go. Hope he finds his way.
are we sure its the same Boubacar Cissoko that played for Michigan last year?
that a former Wolverine would follow Maurice Clarett's path. I truly liked BooBoo and thought he would adjust his poor attitude and make rational decsions but I was wrong. Hopefully this was one of many smart decisions this coaching staff will make. I just hope the rest of those good decisions happen on the field.
Cissoko is not exactly a criminal mastermind. Call a pizzaman and then take his money and run???!!!!
Excessive question marks and exclamations. What are we here man? Fans of Stephen Hawking?
He wouldn’t crack the Ocean’s 11 lineup.
Well, after some time in the pokey at least he will still have that MSU offer.
It's too bad. I always wonder how kids get a shot to play on one of the best teams in the country and waste it. Everyone else would die to have that chance, and he just threw it away.
He's a habitual offender and I feel no remorse for him. He's no different than any other criminal and hearing people say "that's sad" is disgusting.
Why is it disgusting? I understand your point that he's a criminal, but that doesn't change the fact that he was once part of the Michigan family. It's pretty sad to see a young kid's life, which was totally going in the right direction not too long ago, spiral down to the point that he has to rob cab drivers and delivery-boys.
there is no empathy here or justification, just sadness at how remarkably fast this guy's life has gone downhill. its sad that he obviously did not know that most posters on this board would give both nuts to run out of that tunnel and slap the banner much less play on game day. its sad that he wasted so much of what i could never come close to even smelling for such trifling, temporary desires of money and drugs. its sad that he decided to throw away a young life so full of potential. its sad the he will spend the next fifty to sixty years with such severe regret. i wish he would have asked someone.
it is inexcusable but it can still be sad.
Young, talented kid earns an unlikely chance at success in life with a free education at Big Ten school. Kid blows his chance when he is unable to adapt to his new life. Ends up in jail for ridiculous crimes, probably throwing away his best chance of prosperity in the process.
What, pray tell, is the proper response? A Drew Sharp-esque sense of smug self-importance, based on the assumption that our own shit doesn't stink? An arrogant assertion of superiority over this kid, as if no one from our circle of friends and family has ever fallen from grace?
Cissoko brought this on himself. Everyone knows he f*cked up. But it is sad nonetheless. Why must we take this opportunity to collectively rub his nose in the shit he has created for himself?
Ah sad isn't what I would call it at this point. Maybe after the first or second time but he has shown that this is how his life will play out. Just because he put on a Michigan uniform we feel remorse for the kid. He's a criminal and I could care less at this point. He took away someone's sense of security while doing their freaking job. He's a POS and should be thrown in a cell for a long time. He'll probably end up murdering someone before all is said and done if he keeps going down this line of progression.
If you want to look at people who continually disregard the law and make stupid choices in a sympathetic light, be my guest. But labeling those who don't choose to feel sorry for them as arrogant or self-important is ridiculous.
Edit: Also, "unable to adapt to his new life"? For every college athlete that screws up their opportunity like he did, there are at least ten who probably came from similar circumstances that don't fuck it up. I mean, you're borderline making excuses for the guy.
Boo Boo gets no excuses, from me or from anyone else. He screwed up his life. He threw away a golden opportunity to avoid this exact type of life fail. I feel no sympathy for him.
My point was simply that this was an epic waste of talent, and of a life. That's sad. It's sad the same way watching "Intervention" is sad.* And to shoo Cissoko into the mental shredder with a "good riddance" without another thought doesn't do anyone any good. He's a cautionary tale, not an aberation (caused by one kid's personal makeup) that hasn't happened before and won't happen again.
I wasn't calling the poster arrogant or self-important. But Drew Sharp is going to write his usual "Let us bring scorn on this fallen person, because his flaws have been exposed" article. And that article will just go to show further that Drew thinks himself morally superior to everyone (Cissoko, Demar Dorsey, RichRod), and that he can only demonstrate his superiority by poking fun at the flaws others expose. And that's a dick move.
*BTW, what a depressing-ass show. Seriously. Don't watch it.
I didn't realize you were literally referring to Drew Sharp....in that case, fuck Drew Sharp.
But yeah, Drew Sharp. F*ck Drew Sharp.
Kudos to you, sir.
I had a similar discussion with another poster when Boo Boo was booted off of the team.
I was willing to defend him then, but after this many subsequent offenses it can no longer be done. The kid has fucked up enough. There is no need to pile on.
I wish him well, and I hope that he eventually finds a good path to follow in life, but it truly is sad.
I'm not too worried about getting negged, and my high horse hadn't been out of the stable for a while.
Aquaman - what is your view of Demar Dorsey, out of curiousity?
I'm sad for someone who has screwed up his life and done some idiotic things. If that disgusts you, then I'm happy that I and others posted, because that's a pretty pathetic attitude. I'm not justifying the terrible things he's done, but that's hardly a prerequisite for feeling sad about a general mess.
Given this narrow worldview, I wonder what your view of Demar Dorsey is?
I find it "sad" that a 19 year old kid who had every opportunity in the world has fucked their life up. That's not the same thing as feeling empathy for him.
Feeling sad that a 19 year old kid fucked up the opportunity of a lifetime is far different than defending him for fucking up.
I find it sad that that this apparently poster has no room for saudade, or what might have been for this young man had he not fucked up.
Narrow worldview? Because I am not sad about somebody who continuously makes stupid decisions? Give me a break. He's no different than Feagin, Harrison or any other player who has rightfully lost the privilege they had of slapping the banner and playing in Michigan Stadium. They don't get my sympathy or my sadness. Instead of having any feelings towards them, I'll direct them in admiration towards guys like Jason Avant who came from shit and did something about it.
As far as Dorsey is concerned, the last I checked he wasn't a convicted criminal in the eyes of the law. If he becomes one though, he'll be as gone as the guys I named above, and should be.
Edit: Not to mention that THIS is Dorsey's chance.
Wait, has cissoko been convicted?
I want to make this clear: expressing sadness that he fucked up is not giving him my sympathy, I dint understand how you fail to grasp this.
FWIW, Dorsey has aknowledged doing what he was charged with, since. So, basically, you are ok with him because he robbed someone at gunpoint BEFORE he got to Michigan?
I think it's sad that you can't hope these people turn their live around, that they are irredeemable criminals from here on out.
..I guess I don't really see anywhere where I say you are being sympathetic towards him and not sad....you're the one who keeps bringing that up in other parts of this thread...but whatever. I also don't remember where I wrote anything about believing that people who commit crimes are irredeemable criminals. If he serves his time, or does whatever, and turns his life around...good for him. I am indifferent either way. I just know that I am definitely not sad about the situation he has put himself in.
If you want to label me as somebody who kicks puppies and trips old ladies...again, be my guest. Casting me as some prick because I am not sad about somebody who screws up is your choice.
Also, comparing Dorsey, a young high schooler at the time of the crimes he was not convicted of, to an adult who screwed up while on the team, was given an opportunity to earn his way back and messed it up yet again is pretty apples and oranges IMO although I can see where some might disagree on that.
Boubacar has yet to be convicted.
So, by this post I gather that, essentially, you praise those who come from "shit" and are able to make something of themselves (Jason Avant), and are unable to feel any sort of sadness for those who come from "shit," but are unable to succeed (Boo Boo). At the same time, those who have come from "shit" and have yet to fuck up at Michigan (Demar Dorsey), you are willing to give a free pass, until they either fuck up, or succeed.
That, to me, is very sad, and if you lack the capacity to understand why it is sad, then I truly do feel sorry for you.
I truly feel sorry for people who constantly make huge assumptions.
I also truly feel sorry for people who can't just accept that some people don't look at situations the same as they do personally.
You guys can continue to attack my character all you want. I just know I haven't attacked your viewpoints once because I understand them. I just don't agree with them.
Your post was idiotic. There is no way around it.
You can't say, "I truly feel sorry for people who constantly make huge assumptions," and then make a statement like, "Give me a break. He's no different than Feagin, Harrison or any other player who has rightfully lost the privilege they had of slapping the banner and playing in Michigan Stadium."
That is hypocritical on so many levels.
You can just lump Boo Boo in with two other people, in other unrelated cases, and then say you feel sorry for me for making assumptions?
I also love you are offended by me "attacking your character" based on the things you've written, and yet you fail to make the connection to you attacking Boubacar, based on the accusations against him.
I love how you say you haven't attacked our viewpoints, when debate is just that, attacking another person's opinion with regards to a subject, and trying to show how your point of view is more valid than theirs. By mocking me with the, "I truly feel sorry" comment, you've lost whatever high ground you claim to have had by your, "I haven't attacked" comment.
I understand where you are coming from, but I find your ability to shit on a 20 year old kid who fucked up, and then to defend that position with no remorse, sad.
A. According to you, I am shitting on him simply by not being sad about his situation? OK. Have I attacked his character once? No. All I have said is that I am not sad. If you want to play semantics and say he hasn't been convicted yet when he's clearly guilty after being caught red-handed, then go ahead. It will only be a matter of time.
B. Look at the posts you've put on here. According to you, I would no doubt be cheering him on if he led the Big Ten in interceptions and blah blah blah just because I don't feel sad for him. The thing is, you don't know that. You have no idea. You are assuming (incorrectly, I might add).
C. I also never said I was offended by what you said (assumption), because I am not. But based on all the assumptions you have made about how I feel about a whole plethora of things when all you know is that I am not sad about the situation he's put himself in, it is clear you are attacking my character. That's fine.
See, the problem with saying someone else is assuming, as you have done, is that you are making an assumption yourself.
You have consistently failed to grasp the irony of your posts. I've tried my best without trying to bashing you over the head with this fact. See post #81 if you want an example of me trying to teach you irony.
You've failed to grasp any of my hints at your hypocrisy. I have tried my best. I'm sorry that I have failed.
Yeah, you're running circles around me with your complete logic. Please, teach me more. Give me a break.
I would try, but the fact that you've been unable to grasp anything so far is indicative of the fact that you are either unwilling or unable to accept the fact that your comments, with regards to Boubacar, and your subsequent reactions to other posters responses to your thoughts, have been hypocritical.
Please explain to me what I can't grasp. Please explain how hypocritical I am because I refuse to feel sadness for someone who does screw up while admiring somebody who doesn't.
If you want to disagree on my differing viewpoint about Dorsey relative to Cissoko, that's fine because I already stated that I understand how one might not see it the way I do. But please...spare me the holier than thou attitude. It's annoying.
The fact that you have expressed anger with me, for "attacking your viewpoint" and attacking you, while in he same breath attacking Cissoko, by equating him with Feagin and Harrison by saying, "Give me a break. He's no different than Feagin, Harrison or any other player who has rightfully lost the privilege they had of slapping the banner and playing in Michigan Stadium," is laughable.
You can't tell someone that they have a holier than thou attitude and then make baseless assumptions about others, comparing unrelated cases to one another, and not expect to be called out on your hypocrisy for hating the fact that I'm judging you based off of your actions of commenting on this thread, while you judge Cissoko for his actions of being accused of things he has not yet been convicted of.
You're going to go the semantics route, as I would expect, because he technically has not been convicted, although he will be because he was caught red handed. Figures. Did you ever stop to think that part of the reason I don't really feel sad towards this guy is because he's continually been in trouble with the law and has continually messed up the chances he's gotten? Sounds baseless!
Yep, semantics. If that's all you've been able to take from my posts, then enjoy.
is you are a CONSTANT know it all on this board who feels the need to place your opinion over others' constantly. you are not able to contribute without pushing your authority on the issue, be it with who you were neighbors with (thanks for reminding me in the other thread) or elsewhere. it makes you unlikeable.
Yes, nearly three years of membership and I've just hit the 2000 point mark this month and I'm a CONSTANT know it all on the board.
I've never pushed authority on anyone with regards to who i know. If you can parse that out of any statements i've made, cool. Your stalking of me in the past probably doesn't aid your case much.
the commotion you constantly cause draws quite a bit of attention
Are you sure you're not stalking me?
You just *happened* to post on two dead threads where I was having a discussion with someone else that had died, and then just *happened* to find my posts out of all the posts on those threads, and then you just *happened* to respond to me?
Seems to me like you're the one trying to pick a fight and cause commotion, but I guess I'm just being a know it all again. =/
about being curious to see if my 'suspicions' on your negativity are true is looking at your member page to see how much of it is you being whiney and authoritive.
So you read through my member page and look at all of my posts. Creepy. Do I need an MGoRestraining order?
So you don't like the tone of my posts. Fine.
I come across are whiny and authoritative to you. Fine
Clearly my posts bother you. Sooooooooo...maybe you should just quit reading them?
See how easy that is? So much easier than starting useless arguments about why you don't like me, or how I'm this or I'm that. If I put you in such a tizzy every time you read anything I write, then maybe the simplest solution is just stop reading.
Do you think so highly of yourself that you can point out a few things that you, the all-mighty Geaux_Blue, find annoying about the way I post, and I will magically change to suit your every whim?
Is the irony of you calling me too authoritative sounding, while at the same time telling me to go to law school on another thread because I clearly don't know as much about you, lost on you? Or, do you just prefer to continue doing mental gymnastics?
To summarize what I have posted before...
You need to get over whatever fictional/kindergarten beef you have with me and just let it go.
If I'm so "tired," and you get so "tired" of responding to all of my posts, then just let it go.
If you really are tired of it, then just scroll over my posts, and quit responding to them.
Your actions don't match up with your rhetoric. You're tired of me, and yet you continue to seek out my posts (and apparently read through my member log) and comment on them, hoping to provoke a response.
You are contrary for the sake of being contrary, and often times your responses to my posts have nothing to do with the thread, and are simply just you, being a douche bag.
I'm sorry that if me conveying my thoughts in a confident manner seems too authoritative to you.
Ill try to put it like this. Do I feel sad that BC will be punished and dealt with accordingly for his actions? No. Am I sad to see a 19 year old kid given a big opportunity and it blowing up in his face? Yes.
Its possible to feel bad about the situation without feeling that way about how the kid acted. Theres a big difference that blows my mind that people can't see both ways.
It isn't just "OMG hes a fucking scumbag" or "He was unfairly accused and he's a saint!". Its a two way street.
its amazing to see how a kid who could have had so much going for him (i.e. free college education, D1 college football career, shot at the NFL, job opportunities galore upon graduation) could do so much to throw it all away.
Immature doesn't really seem to cover it all does it?
Somewhere in a dark room, Magnus is crying. Cheer up, old friend.
It's one thing to feel bad for him when he failed drug tests and skipped practice.. maybe he had some issues.. but then he does not get his shit together to re-join the team... then he gets arrested for selling pot in ypsi.. and now he's robbing pizza men... he's an idiot plain and simple... an idiot... probably helps our team to not have him there as a potential negative influence now...one day he may learn, hopefully it's not on a 25 to Life sentence in prison
I hope he can get it back on track.
He should be treated the same as anyone else would. I hope he can get his act together when he gets out.
Lock him up. It's disgusting to see all of these posts saying how it's sad and all that. Fuck him! He doesn't deserve any sympathy. The victims do. He's more than likely going to be a career criminal. Lock him up and throw away the key.
He is a habitual offender, and now he will likely go to jail. Maybe he will learn his lesson, maybe not.
That being said, I do hope he can get his life in order so he doesn't turn into a career criminal. We have enough of those in society.
If you don't think it's too bad/a shame (called "sad" by some people) that a gifted athlete and young kid squandered a great opportunity, good for you. It's not unreasonable that people wish things had gone differently for him.
He's going to jail for this, he deserves to go to jail for this, I'm glad that he's going to jail since it seems like he's becoming an increasingly serious danger to society. I was a pizza guy! But "Fuck him?" You don't know this guy. My guess is he probably wishes he had your life.
I hope your kids never head down a bad path and you have to watch as the Zekes of the world explain what pieces of shit they are.
In that case, I feel really sad for Glenn Winston. He had such an amazing opportunity and he just made some mistakes. I hope he can get his life on track. Give me a fucking break. I wouldn't care if he got in trouble for drugs or non violent crimes but when he puts someone else in danger and takes away their sense of security then that is the point at which I have no sympathy. I will forgive almost anything but putting others in danger is where I draw the line.
You're contorting his words. He's not making excuses for Cissoko. He thinks its sad that a kid who had great opportunities ruined their life. That IS sad. It's also completely Cissoko's fault.
Seriously, you said that Cissoko was likely to become a murderer in an earlier post (and you got upvoted for it, which truly baffles me).
Since that pretty much establishes your assclown bona fides, I won't waste time helping to teach you how to differentiate between "It's a shame when a talented kid wrecks his life" and "I have sympathy for Cissoko and screw his victims, who probably deserved it." Again, I WAS A PIZZA GUY, nobody cares more about the dangers delivery guys face than me. Nobody is saying forgive the guy, just that this is too bad. Again, I am something less than surprised that "Zeke" can't tell the difference.
I hope you have a long career commenting here while dropping "fucks" in every post and making prescient posts about future criminal activity.
Some of the comments on this thread have been astounding to me.
Oh how quickly we turn on those we once praised, and praise those we once shunned.
I'm certain that had Boo Boo remained on the team this year, and picked off 8 passes en route to a 1st team All-Big Ten selection, these same people pontificating on how disgusted they are that anyone could feel sad that he wasted his chance at UofM would be lauding him as an athlete, and that, disgusts me.
People aren't saying they feel sad for him, they're saying they feel sad about him and the situation.
Personally, I hope he goes to jail and turns his life around there. (Good luck with that). He needs to be removed from society.
Someone should change the title...it's not armed robbery, just one count of robbery and two of larceny from a person. Not that it makes it any better, but armed robbery is something entirely different that simple robbery.
That being said, I feel bad for everyone involved in the situation. Hopefully the victims are okay, and Boo-Boo can turn it around.
Pointing what looks like a real gun at someone to induce them to give you money is armed robbery in my book (not claiming that is the letter of the law). You can be sure is to the victim who was fearing for their life.
the article said that Cissoko pointed a pellet gun at the cab driver. That is definitely armed robbery. You don't even need to have a weapon in your possession to be charged with armed robbery, sticking your hand in your jacket and pointing it to make the victim think you have a gun is sufficient.
Ok, this was fail on my part. I completely missed the part where he used a pellet gun. The second half of my comment still stands.
Boubacar Cissoko, 20, who was kicked off the team in October, was arraigned this afternoon at the Washtenaw County Jail on a charge of assault with intent to rob while armed and two counts of larceny from a person.
this sure as shit looks like armed robbery
I didn't go to UM Law either, but the article makes it clear:
He is charged with Larceny and ATTEMPTED Robbery. He is NOT charged with Armed Robbery. No matter what you want to do, this isn't a matter of opinion. The answer to the question "Is he charged with Armed Robbery?" is NO
Why is this guy hanging around Ann Arbor? Former teammates better keep their distance
Having personally known Boubacar (I last saw him in December), he isn't really a violent person. That being said, I knew he was going down a slippery slope once he didn't have the stability of football. He was living with some bad influences in Ypsilanti and it is unfortunate. I'm just sad to see him hit rock bottom like this. I think all of you making distasteful jokes at his expense should really find a better use for your time. If every single major mistake you'd made in your life became a newspaper article I'm sure you wouldn't find it as humorous. Anyways, here is to hoping he bounces back and makes something out of his life.
For clarification, the bad influences he ended up living with in ypsilanti were his "peers" from Detroit. I wasn't trying to blame location in any way there, sorry if that came off wrong. I'm also not making excuses for him, he made the choice to do what he did. I just wanted to say something to attest to his character (or at least what WAS his character), and that he wasn't a malicious person.
Just to clarify, he never got into a verbal altercation with police with drugs in the car. You're mixing two different incidents into one.
"Attempted armed robbery" isn't just another little bump in the road of life that most people encounter. If you have the opportunities that he had, and your life ends up like this, you deserve some ridicule.
know all of the facts of the case, and of BooBoo's life, but if not STFU.
What facts about the case and his life could possibly make attempted armed robbery a good life decision, let alone pissing away a free ride to a top public university and potentially lucrative future as a professional athlete?
For Cissoko, this could be a culmination of several serious and very personal problems.
Instead of writing him off or "ridiculing" him as you suggest he deserves for under-utilizing his opportunities, our energy may be better spent hoping and praying that this is in fact his lowest point and that he will find the courage and strength to turn his life around. People have a tremendous capacity for change and I don't think it's fair to talk about his life as if it's been a "waste"; he's only 20 years old.
Leave it to MGoJen to be one of the only people to make some sense in this thread.
He's completely lost his stake in conformity and I find it hard to believe that he will go down the straight and narrow path now. Perhaps it's the criminal justice major in me but I'm extremely pessimistic toward the human condition.
Edit: see above comment.
Again, what kind of "serious and personal problems" could possibly justify throwing away a free ride to school and becoming a petty thug? Growing up in a bad neighborhood doesn't mean you have to live in Ypsi with your friends from Detroit instead of living for free in the dorms. Having a crappy home life doesn't make you become a thief and stick up cabbies. It's purely a consequence of his own bad decisions.
I have seen the word sad used to describe Boubacar's downfall and I think disappointing is the word you are looking for. Sad is losing your mother or someone else you love and disappointing is when someone or something falls short of your expectations. I take no great joy in kicking a man when he is down nor do I waste my time feeling sorry for him either. He was given many chances and was never able to take advantage of them. For his sake and those that love him I hope he gets his life together.
No, it's just sad to see kids throw their lives away for pocket change. I have no expectations for him, so I can't be disappointed in his actions.
I think being disappointed in someone is usually synonymous with a feeling of sadness, but for the sake of not getting negbanged anymore I'll just say I'm disappointed that Boubacar has led himself to a path of petty crime.
We don't get Fulmer Cup points for former players, do we?
Michigan State is just glad that they had the brawl before the bowl season or they'd have ran away with it.
to commit these crimes. He's obviously not very smart - robbing cab drivers and pizza delivery guys to get a small amount of petty cash is just plain dumb. If you're going to get arrested for armed robbery, the least you can do is get it right and think a little bigger.
always frustrates me when somebody wastes their God given talent like this. i just hope he can straighten himself out and become a better man.
to Rich Rodriguez here. Cutting a kid loose has to be a really really difficult decision for any coach -- I imagine your first instinct is to see if you and your program can help him come through and put this kind of stuff behind him.
Cutting a kid loose when you have about zero cornerbacks on the depth chart because he hasn't lived up to your program standards -- that's not something I imagine most college coaches will do. RR put the program ahead of one kid, and ahead of immediate success. That's a gutsy move, and apparently we're better for it today.
and let's not think David Brandon is naive: he probably understands the fact that RR correctly booted one of his 7 scholarship D-backs from the roster most likely cost the team bowl eligibility.
RR did the right thing. That thing cost Michigan in the short term, but proves his principles / m.o. for the long term.
I agree with you completely on this. If this were Tennessee or USC he would not have been gone as fast - that is why I like RR for the long haul.
To be honest I don't know if losing this guy cost us a bowl but I'll go with you on it.
will be how RR didn't take Dantonio's approach of trying to mentor him after his mistakes. there will STILL be a way to blame him for this.
Michigan is getting screwed in the Fullmer Cup. Again.
We need to keep some of these kids on the team a little longer if Rodriguez is serious about equalling Lloyd Carr's success in the FC.
un-fucking-acceptable, rich rod!!!!
Who is apologizing for him?