I think only playing time he gets is when Shane Morris is up 58-0 vs Minnesota. I like his hightlight video but hes at wrong spot wrong time. DR one more year, DG two years pending medical rs. Then Shane Morris will be RS sophmore
Forget DR and DG; bring on Bellomy!
wouldn't Devin Gardner already have received his medical redshirt by now?
they won't officially know until his senior year I believe
This has been covered a thousand times on this blog.
i'm guessing this is more likely than people relize, West Coast passing schemes are more complicated then many relize, denard is only getting a limited sample of it now and struggling, while if needed i'm sure shane could start, I do think belomy may be a better option shanes freshmen year and maybe even sophmore year, if he was really the sleeper people made him out to be
The last few years have gotten us all thinking that starting very young qb's is a good thing. We didn't choose that though. It was by necessity.
Assuming that DG doesn't get his medical redshirt, we're actually set up to not have to deal with young qb brain farts for a while if Bellomy develops. When DG graduates it would be a choice of Bellomy entering his fourth year vs. Morris entering his second. I'd rather not have to force a young QB in there if we don't have to. If Bellomy is good than Morris only plays if he's really good.
Best case scenario, he redshirts his freshman year, backs up Bellomy in year 2 and then takes over in year three. That way you get him starting for three years and he doesn't play until he and Borges are very familiar with each other.
Bellomy being good enough to bridge the gap between DG and SM is by far the best case scenario IMO.
I believe in what Hoke said about competition. If Bellomy is that good and can bring us more Ws, I don't think Hoke will stick with DR or DG.
One sad truth is that if DG throws like DR then we are not going anywhere.
depending on what arises.
I remember getting so frustrated with Lloyd because it seemed like he watered down his playbook against weaker competition and limited his players opportunities to make plays as a result. Here, it seems as though they do the opposite and shut down when they play tougher competition.
I don't know if they "shut down" when playing tougher competition but there seems to be a definite change in playcalling. Sometime in the 2nd half when Borges dialed up what seemed to be like 3 straight deep go routes, I became frustrated because he should know Denard hasn't been able to hit a man downfield that far in...ever.
With that being said, they need to run Fitz more against tougher competition.
to stay healthy for them to run him more. He never seems to be healthy against the tougher competition.
AFAICS, Bellomy looks more like a RichRod recruit than a MANBALL artillery piece (as it might be put on the 'blog).
When I watched his highlights I saw really impressive wheels and questionable (at least at the high D-1 level) passing ability.
It's early. Physically he looks like a young kid who could develop considerably over a few years (legs way ahead of upper body ... you know the type). Still, I'd be surprised if he displaced DG.
The knock on Bellomy in high school was that he was a "tweeter" and ran a spread offense in high school - therefore he was likely ranked as a dual-threat/balanced QB as opposed to a pro-style QB. He has the size and arm to be more of a pocket QB. It will be fun to watch him progress.
lots of kids these days use Twitter
A tweeter? Or a tweener?--as in being in between a pro-style and running QB.
I'm pretty sure he meant tweener, it seems like the more relative descriptor for our conversation. However, I'm not too up on the internets, maybe Bellomy is a prolific Twitter personality.
Why not? We've all but abolished Denard's runnning privaledges, and that's about the only reason to put him out there at QB. Get Fitz back and let's just run the Florida State freshman QB offense. Either that, or you know, continue the shotgun based package with Denard the whole game.
Yes! I want to see more Russel Bellomy! He lives in my hallway in [dormitory name removed].
Ha, I jokingly said the same thing somewhere around the fifth overthrown deep ball. I knew it wasn't right but it's so tough to watch those balls sail out of bounds. Here's hoping it gets better over the offseason. We all remember the ducks Denard threw up his freshman year
I think you're all forgetting about Gunner Kiel. 4 QBs on the field at the same time- two runners, two throwers. 2013 can't come soon enough!
I think Bellomy could push for the starting spot in the next two years. He's got the ability and based on his attitude in interviews I've seen, I'm betting he takes coaching real well, so he may progress faster than most of us armchair QBs imagine.
Not sure what you guys all watched last year, but Denard threw up ducks against all the upper-echelon B1G opponents. His marquee game (Notre Dame) this season is a game where he threw ducks that happened to be underthrown and our receivers made stellar catches. Maybe I'm still upset, maybe I'm a pessimist, but I see a kid who is gifted with his legs, but below average with his arm and footwork. Do yourself a favor and watch some video of Navarre, Henne, Brady, or Griese. When they planted their feet, you just knew there was a 15+ yard gain on the other end.
Mitch McGary at QB or GTFO.
Seriously though I am looking for some improvement from the receivers and Denard when the get more familiar with the play book. Gardner gets 2 years to learn it and 1 or 2 years to execute it (pendin medical redshirt).
he looks like a bit of a gunslinger. even a couple of those completed passes probably shouldnt have been thrown (3:26 is a glaring example). but overall that film is extremely impressive.
aside from the fact that he has a tendency to lift his back foot when he throws from the pocket, his footwork looks solid. i definitely like his ability to throw a tight and accurate ball while on the run. call me crazy, but he looks about as athletic as gardner (granted hes 1 inch shorter and 20 lbs lighter), and rivals lists his 40 time as 4.63, which is very impressive if true.
to me the kid seems like a gamer. i would not be at all suprised/disappointed if he pushed for snaps in 2012 and the starting job in 2013.
Does anyone think Morris could enroll early?...like....a year or two early?
After last night's game, I did think about a "what if" Tate was still around scenario. I had pretty much forgotten about him. Since they are taking the wheels off of Denard, Tate's passing and his ability/willingness to run and take the 5 yeards when the play breaks down would be nice to have around.
highlight tape I wonder why he wasn't more highly recruited/ But I think he orginally was a Purdue commit and they have had a decent history of top notch QB's. If he develops, I see him getting PT at some point in his career. Seems comfortable in the pocket or on the run.
Yeah, that dude who plays in the NFL for the Saints blows.
Shane will not redshirt.
well, im convinced
I see a Clayton Richard type of future for Bellomy. It will be comforting to know he's there, but we probably won't need him.
He will be a starting pitcher in San Diego? Damn, that sucks
SP in San Diego is a great job. Pitcher's ballpark, nice weather. I'll take that job any day.
Morris will start shortly after getting on campus.
Henson and Brady II. I'm just sort of kidding of course. But you never know. Bellomy is supposed to be a very smart kid.
Nice little joke, but seriously this is a team effort. From the coaches to the players if they can't get on the same page it's going to be a 8-4 year. But really what did we expect, 12-0? Our OL is banged up and that scares me against the rest of our schedule, Illinois DL is pretty darn good especially on the edges. IMO we should definately look into practicing outside if we aren't already, we had the same problem last season with the receivers dropping pass after pass and killing drives.
I've thought about this more than once. Just having that QB with sound throwing fundamentals to spell Denard here or there/ push him for the job.
I refuse to "blame" anyone in this situation, truthfully. Denard has earned the opportunity to start. I mean, the guy fucking threw for 2500, ran for almost 1800 last year. Borges is put in a bind much of the time because denard is a total loose cannon => that rare combination of extreme athleticism mixed with abominable fundamentals with a dash of the brain farts mixed in for good measure. Denard is, and is until proven otherwise, Denard. He will make his plays throughout the course of the game, but it's only a matter of time until the crippling mistake. Every time he puts the ball in the air, there are essentially equal chances of completion/incompletion and TD/INT. Rich Rodriguez made his name out of tinkering with athletic, quarterback-ish substance guys at the helm of his offense. That is what he does. I can not expect every OC that comes around to have that same skillset. All they can do is learn and teach what they know. Complain about Borges all you want, but he's called plays that have gotten people open - just haven't hit (or even found) them. I'd love for Fitz's emergence to be a real thing, but I have doubts that our line is built to sustain the hope of a 25 carry, 125 yard back per game.
But hey, we're 7-2 with an insanely rootable group of guys, an actual-ish Defense (Mattison has been astounding given the scrapheap he inherited). Our offense has no identity beyond hoping for that elusive big-play td from Denard's feet or the jump ball. What we do know is that our best chance to win a game rests on #16. You can't take his production off the field.
We could lose out. We could win out. Let's just see what happens and try to keep in mind that this is year 1 in a transition to another direction, and largely, things are fine.
I watched Russell play two years here in Arlington and know him well. He is a great learner and unbelievably hard worker and these two attributes will serve him (and us) well. He has proven hat by continually asking to lead the scout team and get more reps. He will be better than expected. Borges picked him for a reason.
During the worst of yesterday I found myself thinking: "if Bellomy can't pass better than this, it may be time to place him in the Vlad Emilien/J.T. Turner category of if we haven't seen 'em yet, this is a real bad sign."
Funny how the same people who bitched about RR now bitch about coaching decisions after every loss with an entirely new coaching staff.
If I have to say this until I am blue in the face, I will: anyone who wants to see Michigan get better needs to support the coaching staff. The alternative is yet another coach with yet another system. Any deviation from the current course will cost the program a couple of more years.
Hoke is a great motivator, delegator, and front man for the program. Mattison may be Michigan's version of Monte Kiffin; he is probably a lifer at DC, and is one of the best in the business. Borges is introducing a lot of misdirection to the offense, and has done a very good job wherever he has been.
It seems like the only people around the program who aren't top-notch are the portion of the fanbase that expects every system change to be instantaneous and Michigan to win every game. It is no disgrace to lose on the road to Iowa. Also, even though it sucked more prolifically than a black hole in some dark corner of the universe, it was no disgrace to lose in EL.
Be patient with this team. RR would have won nine games if his pattern had continued. If this team wins nine with entirely new systems on both sides of the ball, it is a great accomplishment. This team wasn't ranked to begin the year, but it has a great chance to finish in the top 20, if not the top 15. I'm pretty sure that if everyone here was asked at the beginning of the year if nine or ten wins and a top-20 ranking would be "acceptable," most would have said, "yes."
If I was covering this team for a blog, I would question a few things because it would be my job. As a fan, though, I am going to trust the coaching staff and be happy with whatever they can do.
I agree 100 %. Remember your own pre-season predictions even though it's difficult not to get caught up in all the early season winning hype. We did NOT think of ourselves realistically competing for a Big Ten Championship so let's get real. We are doing BETTER than expected.
Tater, you are too rational for a message board.
You'd fit in much better if you started panicking. NOW!!!!
He fits this system VERY well. He has a variety of throws, and the feet to stay alive in the pocket. However, I don't think he wins the spot until DG is gone. However, it's very possible that Denard moves somewhere else on the roster if there's enough depth and another better option.